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Post by Iakus on Feb 11, 2021 20:14:07 GMT
She should've framed her tweet differently, it was bad enough she was saddled with a lot of controversy. I mean if she didn't add the Holocaust as an analogy then she probably would've been fine. Didn't Pedro Pascal unironically compare the US to Nazi Germany in a tweet not so long ago?
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Feb 11, 2021 20:44:55 GMT
She should've framed her tweet differently, it was bad enough she was saddled with a lot of controversy. I mean if she didn't add the Holocaust as an analogy then she probably would've been fine. Didn't Pedro Pascal unironically compare the US to Nazi Germany in a tweet not so long ago? Yes he did. While posting a photo that was probably from 2014, of the cages that Obama had built, implying it could be attributed to Trump. Further, Gina's post is misrepresented by media and statements from representatives of Disney. She compared the propaganda against Republicans with the Nazi propaganda against Jews. And her point was proven almost immediately, wasn't it? She didn't make any comparisons with the Holocaust. That's a lie, no matter how many times it is claimed in media.
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Post by Syv on Feb 11, 2021 21:05:33 GMT
What is happening in the United States is very concerning overall. A tyrannical ideology, a disturbing dictatorship. The level of cancel culture, terror, and censorship led by a political party, medias, and big corporations has been noted and is starting to be seen as a threat from a french point of view, even by french intellectuals. It's not even based on truth a lot of times, but only accusations, based on twitter, strawman, misrepresentations if not lies and propaganda. Madness in the United States.
One thing that has for example shocked particularly in France :
Dysney removing Aladdin, Peter Pan, Dumbo, and other anime that we all have seen as children, and that were totally inoffensive. A lot of french parents or young folks that watch dysney in their 20s, didn't understand. What is so judged offensive in these anime, and why dysney is removing the responsability from parents to decide if they want their children to watch these anime ? That is totally wrong. You see something wrong in a movie ? You just have to explain it to your child, it's about education.
Now I see nothing wrong in the tweet of Gina. She might have exagerrated, but she was making a point, it's not about the jews themself or their culture or religion. Even a 14 year old adolescent could understand that. Everyone could see it, I'm convinced of that. That is just an excuse. It's just that the woke culture has striked again, and will strike anyone, anything that does not rally behind their tyrannical flag, following the same principle of communism or a sect, you are with us, following our thoughts, our ideology, our rules, or against us, and if so, you need to be erased. As simple as that.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Feb 11, 2021 21:13:04 GMT
What really gets me is the utter hypocrisy of it all. Disney supposedly cares about independent outspoken women only if they parrot what they want them to say, Disney cares about human rights until it comes to down to sweet cash while ignoring a genocide, Disney cares about race issues but then erases one of the best characters in the sequels off of movie posters in china just because he's black etc. It's insane.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 11, 2021 21:21:48 GMT
What is happening in the United States is very concerning overall. A tyrannical ideology, a disturbing dictatorship. The level of cancel culture, terror, and censorship led by a political party, medias, and big corporations has been noted and is starting to be seen as a threat from a french point of view, even by french intellectuals. It's not even based on truth a lot of times, but only accusations, based on twitter, strawman, misrepresentations if not lies and propaganda. Madness in the United States. One thing that has for example shocked particularly in France : Dysney removing Aladdin, Peter Pan, Dumbo, and other anime that we all have seen as children, and that were totally inoffensive. A lot of french parents or young folks that watch dysney in their 20s, didn't understand. What is so judged offensive in these anime, and why dysney is removing the responsability from parents to decide if they want their children to watch these anime ? That is totally wrong. You see something wrong in a movie ? You just have to explain it to your child, it's about education. Now I see nothing wrong in the tweet of Gina. She might have exagerrated, but she was making a point, it's not about the jews themself or their culture or religion. Even a 14 year old adolescent could understand that. Everyone could see it, I'm convinced of that. That is just an excuse. It's just that the woke culture has striked again, and will strike anyone, anything that does not rally behind their tyrannical flag, following the same principle of communism or a sect, you are with us, following our thoughts, our ideology, our rules, or against us, and if so, you need to be erased. As simple as that. Disney is a garbage company that has gotten way too big and too powerful. It needs to be broken up before it can do any more damage. Be it to Star Wars or to the careers of other actors and actresses.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 11, 2021 21:27:49 GMT
What really gets me is the utter hypocrisy of it all. Disney supposedly cares about independent outspoken women only if they parrot what they want them to say, Disney cares about human rights until it comes to down to sweet cash while ignoring a genocide, Disney cares about race issues but then erases one of the best characters in the sequels off of movie posters in china just because he's black etc. It's insane. I still remember John Boyega's criticism towards the treatment of black characters in Disney.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 11, 2021 21:32:00 GMT
So... Is it too early to interest you all in a better future, underground? 😉😆
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Post by smilesja on Feb 11, 2021 21:43:47 GMT
So... Is it too early to interest you all in a better future, underground? 😉😆
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 11, 2021 21:48:20 GMT
So... Is it too early to interest you all in a better future, underground? 😉😆 Sounds legit. 😉😆
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Feb 11, 2021 21:52:19 GMT
Didn't Pedro Pascal unironically compare the US to Nazi Germany in a tweet not so long ago? Yes he did. While posting a photo that was probably from 2014, of the cages that Obama had built, implying it could be attributed to Trump. Further, Gina's post is misrepresented by media and statements from representatives of Disney. She compared the propaganda against Republicans with the Nazi propaganda against Jews. And her point was proven almost immediately, wasn't it? She didn't make any comparisons with the Holocaust. That's a lie, no matter how many times it is claimed in media. Well, I assumed wrong. The picture that Pedro Pascal used to paint Trump policies as bad, wasn't from 2014. It was from 2010. In his defense, he probably got the idea from the constantly lying mainstream media.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 11, 2021 22:04:13 GMT
What is happening in the United States is very concerning overall. A tyrannical ideology, a disturbing dictatorship. The level of cancel culture, terror, and censorship led by a political party, medias, and big corporations has been noted and is starting to be seen as a threat from a french point of view, even by french intellectuals. It's not even based on truth a lot of times, but only accusations, based on twitter, strawman, misrepresentations if not lies and propaganda. Madness in the United States. One thing that has for example shocked particularly in France : Dysney removing Aladdin, Peter Pan, Dumbo, and other anime that we all have seen as children, and that were totally inoffensive. A lot of french parents or young folks that watch dysney in their 20s, didn't understand. What is so judged offensive in these anime, and why dysney is removing the responsability from parents to decide if they want their children to watch these anime ? That is totally wrong. You see something wrong in a movie ? You just have to explain it to your child, it's about education. Now I see nothing wrong in the tweet of Gina. She might have exagerrated, but she was making a point, it's not about the jews themself or their culture or religion. Even a 14 year old adolescent could understand that. Everyone could see it, I'm convinced of that. That is just an excuse. It's just that the woke culture has striked again, and will strike anyone, anything that does not rally behind their tyrannical flag, following the same principle of communism or a sect, you are with us, following our thoughts, our ideology, our rules, or against us, and if so, you need to be erased. As simple as that. Disney is a garbage company that has gotten way too big and too powerful. It needs to be broken up before it can do any more damage. Be it to Star Wars or to the careers of other actors and actresses. This is bigger than base identity politics which is just a tool of the elite to divide, and distract the peasantry from committing another march on Wallstreet. Corporations like Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Disney who receive billions of usd in government subsidies (Welfare) and tax breaks have become unelected bureaucrats who use taxpayer money to influence political discourse with no repercussions, despite all other government funded entities public, and private being bound by the constitution. Remember when Robocop 3 was a cautionary tale?
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Post by colfoley on Feb 11, 2021 23:16:27 GMT
Well first off I do want to make it clear that as a free market capitalist I believe in property rights through and through. Disney has every legal right to employ people they want in any form the want and for any reason they want. That is the principle here and it is pretty unviolable.
However, as someone who has largely grown up with Star Wars and learning from Star Wars one of the franchise's chief messages and themes is resistance to oppressive regimes. The Jedi in the prequels opposed the barbarism of Palpatine and the CIS, though they were a bit late in realizing the former was a threat. Luke Skywalker and the Rebel Alliance took on an Empire that was ruling over the galaxy with an iron fist and with terror as their chief weapon and Rey and the Reistance took on the First/Final Orders which was attemping to bring that darkness back.
It is in that testement and for that reason that I am rather...annoyed at Disney. And rather annoyed at the people who would smear the character of Gina Carano while also simultaneously ignoring that Pedro Pascal made the same exact point as her in 2018 and given Disney's relationship to China. I stand with her and if I were in the entertainment biz I would hire her in a heartbeat. All she was doing was making a political point and drawing a historical example how oppressive regimes (the Nazi in this case) can rile up the mob and drive a wedge between brothers and neighbors and then how certain political ideologies is doing that very same thing to their fellow citizens. I can't think of a better proof to her point then her being 'cancelled' by Disney.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 12, 2021 0:28:52 GMT
Well first off I do want to make it clear that as a free market capitalist I believe in property rights through and through. Disney has every legal right to employ people they want in any form the want and for any reason they want. That is the principle here and it is pretty unviolable. However, as someone who has largely grown up with Star Wars and learning from Star Wars one of the franchise's chief messages and themes is resistance to oppressive regimes. The Jedi in the prequels opposed the barbarism of Palpatine and the CIS, though they were a bit late in realizing the former was a threat. Luke Skywalker and the Rebel Alliance took on an Empire that was ruling over the galaxy with an iron fist and with terror as their chief weapon and Rey and the Reistance took on the First/Final Orders which was attemping to bring that darkness back. It is in that testement and for that reason that I am rather...annoyed at Disney. And rather annoyed at the people who would smear the character of Gina Carano while also simultaneously ignoring that Pedro Pascal made the same exact point as her in 2018 and given Disney's relationship to China. I stand with her and if I were in the entertainment biz I would hire her in a heartbeat. All she was doing was making a political point and drawing a historical example how oppressive regimes (the Nazi in this case) can rile up the mob and drive a wedge between brothers and neighbors and then how certain political ideologies is doing that very same thing to their fellow citizens. I can't think of a better proof to her point then her being 'cancelled' by Disney. Remember my fair Covfefe the free market is a meme and hasn't existed for almost a century. Financially independent corporations can do what they please in regards to employment, and termination but entities like Disney who receive government subsidies should be bound by federal labor laws like every other institution that received federal funding. Disney is an obese welfare queen fuelled by taxpayer money trudging along on it's gut, and consuming all in it's path with impunity while the fed looks the other way. On the same note, i have a confession. I watched the Mandalorian for free because i have boycotted the mouse since TLJ after how they massacred my boy. Good luck for anyone seeking to do the same because King Mickey's reach is vast. www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/chart-every-company-that-disney-owns-172130.html
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Post by mugwump v1 on Feb 12, 2021 0:44:04 GMT
Gina posted something really dumb and got fired. In other news, inward-looking dogmatism and zealotry is imbecilic and Disney have sucked for over a generation. Have I missed anything?
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 12, 2021 0:51:26 GMT
Friendly reminder (not aimed at anyone particular). Keeping discussions Star Wars related and not letting them wander into general politics would be appreciated. We're just about ok so far, but do:
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2021 1:11:35 GMT
Friendly reminder (not aimed at anyone particular). Keeping discussions Star Wars related and not letting them wander into general politics would be appreciated. We're just about ok so far, but do: I know that feeling. The balancing act I am doing based on what is too political in this clash of politics and entertainment news leaves me feeling like: Edit: I really hope that is playing as a gif for everyone else because it would be hella awkward...though still understandable.
Sadly it wasn't working colfoley so I popped one in for you. SofaJockey
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2021 1:39:21 GMT
I am debating every time a corporation has to do something like this in the future if it crosses my rader and raise my ire to always post the Imperial March after it in the comments on FB.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2021 1:47:53 GMT
SofaJockey First off I am a little intimidated you can edit my posts like that but also much thanks for doing so.
Any post can be mod-edited colfoley , but as a 'protection' for stealth editing by mods, any such edited posts automatically carries a 'last edit' flag in the footer. It's normally used for removing slurs when the rest of a post is fine, or adding a spoiler tag, that sort of thing. Anyway, on with the show... SofaJockey
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 12, 2021 11:37:11 GMT
I am debating every time a corporation has to do something like this in the future if it crosses my rader and raise my ire to always post the Imperial March after it in the comments on FB. The Imperial March will improve just about anything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 12:44:20 GMT
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 12, 2021 15:47:13 GMT
The discourse on Twitter has been unreal. Moral inconsistency and a lack of standards will be the things that prevail in the end. O no a nazi reference, meanwhile support of a company that has close relations to a genocidal government continues, because hell if I’ll miss any Star Wars or Marvel content.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 12, 2021 16:29:29 GMT
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Post by Iakus on Feb 12, 2021 16:37:26 GMT
The discourse on Twitter has been unreal. Moral inconsistency and a lack of standards will be the things that prevail in the end. O no a nazi reference, meanwhile support of a company that has close relations to a genocidal government continues, because hell if I’ll miss any Star Wars or Marvel content. Yeah, I think I’m done with The Mandalorian after this. But at least season 2 was a better note to go out on than Rise of Palpatine.
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