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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 16, 2021 21:51:29 GMT
3 years later and still no date or timeline set for Rian's trilogy. I dunno how that Anakin shot came into existence, but it worries me. XD
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 16, 2021 22:04:52 GMT
3 years later and still no date or timeline set for Rian's trilogy. I dunno how that Anakin shot came into existence, but it worries me. XD Lol good intuition that pose was memed to hell and back. It's taken from a photo of the prequel film's choreographer Nick Gllard overseeing Hayden's and Ewan's fight rehearsal before filming.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 16, 2021 22:06:06 GMT
Budget: $200–317 million Box Office: $1.333 billion A near 400-700% profit. So no, it did not.
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Post by Evil on Feb 16, 2021 22:32:32 GMT
Budget: $200–317 million Box Office: $1.333 billion A near 400-700% profit. So no, it did not. Now go look at DVD sales, toy sales, comic sales, sales of the new lightsabres, and all the other merchandise that those films were supposed to help sell. In the context of massive franchises such as Star Wars, Films in cinemas are advertising, not product.
Pretty much the same business model as games consoles. Doesn't matter if you make or lose money on your console because the real money is in sales of games, controllers, and all the other paraphernalia. The console's just there as a loss leader.
Been a long while since I last went into a nerd shop what with covid, about a year in fact. Still, if the bargain bins and shelves that were literally overflowing with unsold Disney wars products last time I went in are any guide, the Disney trilogy failed miserably in their role as loss leader adverts.
Funnily enouth, the mandalorian stuff was all at full price and actually selling, and there wasn't any legacy stuff in clearance either... much to my annoyance. Legacy was what I was looking for, but it'd all sold out at full price long ago.
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Post by skekSil on Feb 16, 2021 23:04:43 GMT
Now go look at DVD sales, toy sales, comic sales, sales of the new lightsabres, and all the other merchandise that those films were supposed to help sell. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-office_bomb
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 16, 2021 23:08:53 GMT
Now go look at DVD sales, toy sales, comic sales, sales of the new lightsabres, and all the other merchandise that those films were supposed to help sell. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-office_bombYou’re arguing with people who have embraced the Alternative Facts mentality. Things like logic and facts won’t work on them.
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Post by Evil on Feb 16, 2021 23:11:39 GMT
Now go look at DVD sales, toy sales, comic sales, sales of the new lightsabres, and all the other merchandise that those films were supposed to help sell. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-office_bombI'm quite aware of the classical definition of a box office bomb Captain Obvious.
I'm saying that the classic defintion is irrelevant nowadays. A relic of the 19th and early 20th centuries, where the film was the product.
Success and failure hasn't been measured by that yardstick for a long, long time.
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Post by Evil on Feb 16, 2021 23:17:05 GMT
You’re arguing with people who have embraced the Alternative Facts mentality. Things like logic and facts won’t work on them. Bruh.
If you're lumping me in with the Trumptards you're truly lost. *insert Obi-Wan meme here*
They hate me as much as they hate you.
Don't confuse my contempt for Disney with an alliance with them. Or their hate of me for me being on your side either for that matter.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 16, 2021 23:19:19 GMT
You’re arguing with people who have embraced the Alternative Facts mentality. Things like logic and facts won’t work on them. Bruh.
If you're lumping me in with the Trumptards you're truly lost. *insert Obi-Wan meme here*
They hate me as much as they hate you.
Don't confuse my contempt for Disney with an alliance with them. Or their hate of me for me being on your side either for that matter.
Alternative Facts people have existed long before Trump. For example, Flat Earthers. I just like how concisely that term captures it.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 16, 2021 23:28:22 GMT
Still waiting...
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Post by Evil on Feb 16, 2021 23:29:19 GMT
Bruh.
If you're lumping me in with the Trumptards you're truly lost. *insert Obi-Wan meme here*
They hate me as much as they hate you.
Don't confuse my contempt for Disney with an alliance with them. Or their hate of me for me being on your side either for that matter.
Alternative Facts people have existed long before Trump. For example, Flat Earthers. I just like how concisely that term captures it. I'm aware. NOT the point.
Can't say I'm particularly fond of being called "alternative facts people" or compared to fucking flat earthers for highlighting that you're all missing the point by focusing on box office sales that are peanuts in Disney's big picture.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 16, 2021 23:30:38 GMT
Alternative Facts people have existed long before Trump. For example, Flat Earthers. I just like how concisely that term captures it. I'm aware. NOT the point.
Can't say I'm particularly fond of being called "alternative facts people" or compared to fucking flat earthers for highlighting that you're all missing the point by focusing on box office sales that are peanuts in Disney's big picture. Why wouldn’t that be the focus, since it’s addressing a post that said it bombed. Not that it didn’t sell enough swag or anything, but specifically bombed which refers to box office.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 16, 2021 23:31:45 GMT
Alternative Facts people have existed long before Trump. For example, Flat Earthers. I just like how concisely that term captures it. I'm aware. NOT the point.
Can't say I'm particularly fond of being called "alternative facts people" or compared to fucking flat earthers for highlighting that you're all missing the point by focusing on box office sales that are peanuts in Disney's big picture. I'm still waiting for a refutation of the links i posted that documents TLJ bombing.
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Post by skekSil on Feb 16, 2021 23:38:38 GMT
I'm aware. NOT the point. Can't say I'm particularly fond of being called "alternative facts people" or compared to fucking flat earthers for highlighting that you're all missing the point by focusing on box office sales that are peanuts in Disney's big picture. I'm still waiting for a refutation of the links i posted that documents TLJ bombing. Here you go en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-office_bomb
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Feb 16, 2021 23:51:28 GMT
And I'd love to see Rian Johnson make all Star Wars movies, written by KK's story group, under direct supervision of Kathleen Kennedy. Because I've reached the point where I'd love to see Disney go down the drain. It's the best chance of getting SW and other franchises into good hands again.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Feb 16, 2021 23:54:54 GMT
I finally got the courage to say that i really liked this movie i've seen the movie a couple of times now and yeah there's really nothing wrong with it. I'll say one thing: It's better than 'The Last Jedi'. ...But then... 😑
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Post by colfoley on Feb 17, 2021 0:18:36 GMT
Funny how life tends to work out...I was musing on this subject the other day too still and despite it all...I don't want anything bad to happen to the people involved. I don't want anyone to lose their job or be fired. I don't want Disney to shut down or to lose the rights. As always I prefer conversion and reformation over punishment. I would be more then happy to continue to consume Disney products into the near future because at least from an entertainment standpoint they have still been entertaining and their storylines still tend to match things I like. Loved the sequels, thought TCWs and Rebels was relatively awesome, and Mandalorian...is still pretty good. And the MCU is also pretty great so all my issues with Disney is real world nonsense...which is a crying shame.
Of course the other thing about it is Star Wars seems to be in a bit of a golden age. Contrary to supposed box office bombs and the franchise on life support Disney...which is now a big C Corporation...is continuing to produce a ton of content. A ton of content which people are continuing to consume otherwise they wouldn't even bother. Its the same nonsense against BioWare...and even if Disney was not, even if Disney collapses or sells the rights to another company..whose to say someone else will do any better with the property? Given how persnickity Star Wars fans seems to be I do not really think anyone else would do any better...from a public standpoint...then Disney is. The Prequels were run through the mud by the fandom at large...and now so are the sequels so I have little faith that any other corporation will do good given this. Oh and at least Disney has major financial capital to throw into Star Wars and continue to produce Star Wars products, TV shows, movies, books, comics, games, at a rate which I think has never been matched in history so really I think the franchise is in a better place then its ever been. Just again given real world pressures I will have to be more choosy about when and how I consume this entertainment in the future...until they hopefully reform.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 17, 2021 1:03:17 GMT
The problem with your Wikipedia link is that the marketing cost for a film isn't included in a film's stated budget when determining a box office bomb. Unlike independent film studios who rely on an outside source LucasFilms' TLJ's budget and marketing cost should be covered by Disney (financer/producer). With Disney not being forthcoming with the budget the $200-$317 million figure is sketchy. Split TLJ's 1.3 billion total gross in half then subtract the film's budget from that figure, then include the marketing cost which can run anywhere between $100-$200 million on top of China's marketing cost due to it's unique censorship and restrictions and it's arguable if TLJ made a profit for Disney. I'll reiterate, TLJ bombed harder than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Feb 17, 2021 1:27:57 GMT
The problem with your Wikipedia link is that the marketing cost for a film isn't included in a film's stated budget when determining a box office bomb. Unlike independent film studios who rely on an outside source LucasFilms' TLJ's budget and marketing cost should be covered by Disney (financer/producer). With Disney not being forthcoming with the budget the $200-$317 million figure is sketchy. Split TLJ's 1.3 billion total gross in half then subtract the film's budget from that figure, then include the marketing cost which can run anywhere between $100-$200 million on top of China's marketing cost due to it's unique censorship and restrictions and it's arguable that TLJ made a profit for Disney. I'll reiterate, TLJ bombed harder than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And both of you are forgetting the interest and cost of purchasing Lucasfilm. (And I'd say your estimate of marketing and distribution is maybe low). But anyway, not only has TLJ failed to make any payment on Lucasfilm, it's much worse. It has destroyed the future revenue stream. You could say already TFA did that a bit, but TLJ definitely killed it. Killed all. Even the merchandise sales. And the park. I don't remember how the estimate was done, but I saw somewhere that someone had calculated that TLJ had cost Disney in excess of 3.4 billion. So yeah, regardless how accurate that is, it bombed.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 17, 2021 1:46:57 GMT
The problem with your Wikipedia link is that the marketing cost for a film isn't included in a film's stated budget when determining a box office bomb. Unlike independent film studios who rely on an outside source LucasFilms' TLJ's budget and marketing cost should be covered by Disney (financer/producer). With Disney not being forthcoming with the budget the $200-$317 million figure is sketchy. Split TLJ's 1.3 billion total gross in half then subtract the film's budget from that figure, then include the marketing cost which can run anywhere between $100-$200 million on top of China's marketing cost due to it's unique censorship and restrictions and it's arguable that TLJ made a profit for Disney. I'll reiterate, TLJ bombed harder than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And both of you are forgetting the interest and cost of purchasing Lucasfilm. (And I'd say your estimate of marketing and distribution is maybe low). But anyway, not only has TLJ failed to make any payment on Lucasfilm, it's much worse. It has destroyed the future revenue stream. You could say already TFA did that a bit, but TLJ definitely killed it. Killed all. Even the merchandise sales. And the park. I don't remember how the estimate was done, but I saw somewhere that someone had calculated that TLJ had cost Disney in excess of 3.4 billion. So yeah, regardless how accurate that is, it bombed. Lucas made out like a bandit. Star Wars was a franchise that was reliant on toy merch sales but with the toy industry trending poorly over the past two decades i'm surprised that King Mickey didn't notice this impending financial pitfall. and take this into account before they purchased the franchise. Thanks to TLJ's reception Disney was fucked on all sides.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 17, 2021 2:11:30 GMT
Personally, I don't think they should let Taika Waititi, Rian Johnson or JJ Abrams anywhere near the STAR WARS Franchise. Ever. Again. For me, TW ruined THOR with his forced, (not funny at all), buddy-buddy type of 'comedy' that was stupid and made the characters look pathetic, Rian Johnson makes things up as he goes along and says "what the hell? Let's try this" for everything he shoots, if only to "subvert people's expectations and throw years of Canon and established characters down the toilet" so that he can make the movie he wants....and JJ, well, he's a hack who rides his own celebrity and whose only real 'claim to fame' was "LOST" (and from what I know of it, even that wasn't that great....very unoriginal, just like JJ). That being said, I'm not saying I know who would make a great Director for Star Wars (but I am.....*cough* "FILONI", *cough* "Dave Filoni") I think the Russo brothers could do Star Wars justice. But I'd rather hand the reins over to Jerry Bruckheimer than Rian Johnson again.
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Post by skekSil on Feb 17, 2021 19:27:11 GMT
The problem with your Wikipedia link is that the marketing cost for a film isn't included in a film's stated budget when determining a box office bomb. Unlike independent film studios who rely on an outside source LucasFilms' TLJ's budget and marketing cost should be covered by Disney (financer/producer). With Disney not being forthcoming with the budget the $200-$317 million figure is sketchy. Split TLJ's 1.3 billion total gross in half then subtract the film's budget from that figure, then include the marketing cost which can run anywhere between $100-$200 million on top of China's marketing cost due to it's unique censorship and restrictions and it's arguable if TLJ made a profit for Disney. You can apply this math to any big budget Disney movie: Avengers budget - $220 million, box office - $1.5 billion. Budget is sketchy, split in half, add marketing cost aaand we have another box office bomb, right? And both of you are forgetting the interest and cost of purchasing Lucasfilm. Are you trying to say that for TLJ to be box office success it needed to earn more than 4 billion dollars after all expences? It has destroyed the future revenue stream. Right, so, no TRoS, no Mandalorian, no Jedi: Fallen Order no High Republic comics, people just stopped buying Star Wars stuff. You use a term 'movie bomb' which has a specific meaning - its all expences made to produce a movie (including marketing btw) vs its revenue. It doesnt include merchandise, comics, video games or cost of purchase of entire SW franchise along with Lucasfilm studio. And when people hear it they understand it that way. Dont just change definition of a word just because you really dont like a movie. Did TLJ harm Star Wars' reputation? Yes. Did it harm future revenue from this franchise? Maybe. Was Solo: A Star Wars Story a box office bomb? Yes. Was The Last Jedi a box office bomb? No. P.S. deadline.com/2020/04/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-movie-profit-2019-lowest-for-lucasfilm-1202915179/
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