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Post by Iakus on May 22, 2018 21:12:07 GMT
I don’t agree. It was time to pass the torch and nobody was dumped in imo. I’m fine with passing the torch, I just don’t think they did it very well. That's putting it mildly.
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Post by alanc9 on May 22, 2018 21:29:50 GMT
....What part of my comment did you not understand? Are you ignorant, or just plain stupid? I__am___NOT__talking___about___people__with___legitimate___criticisms towards these movies. You seem to be reading only what you want to read. If you dislike the movies, that's fine. If you do not like Rian Johnson, that's fine. I am talking about the fans who are horribly irrational, throwing death threats to people involved, and calling civil people who liking the movie (who are just trying to be honest about their opinion) shills, or sheep. The same goes for people who call others haters. It's discouraging, and it's a blight on the fanbase. I personally like the new movies, and that is MY opinion. If you dislike them, that is on you. But all fanbases are chock-full of idiots, aren't they? There's nothing special about Star Wars in this regard.
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Post by Nayawk on May 22, 2018 21:30:13 GMT
Some fans are a problem, but that is not unique to SW, you see it in every fandom. They have extreme reactions and think internet anonymity gives them the right to threaten whatever they like. If something happens in your fandom and your reaction is to threaten harm then sorry but yes you are a problem the fandom does not need. It's a light entertainment movie, if you get wound up to the point of threats of violence then you need help because that is not normal or safe. That said I understand criticism and it is healthy to have some, but argue the film and not the fans. I get tired of seeing 'the movies stupid and you are stupid for liking it' type posts. Don't like the new movies, lets talk about how you would realistically approach the next one, where do you take SW from how it is now to how you would like to see it? What are your hopes for more spin offs, tv series and books? Hell talk about which aspects of the OT or old EU you loved and why. By this point I think everyone on these boards knows who likes or doesn't like the new films, lets move the damn discussion forward. There are hundreds of ways to talk about SW without posting yet another video of some other persons opinion about how much the new ones suck (video opinions are a pet hate sorry ).
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 21:36:53 GMT
By this point I think everyone on these boards knows who likes or doesn't like the new films, lets move the damn discussion forward. Indeed. It truly is time to move on. TLJ came out last year and we're still talking about it... with a new movie just days away.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 22, 2018 21:37:32 GMT
I'm not sure what the problem is with Lando being pansexual. Is it the fact there are news stories about it or the fact that he is? Because shameless flirts who come on to absolutely everything that moves is kind of a stable of that bar fly archetype Landos character plays into and there is nothing in the OT that directly contradicts it being true. So apart from the usual sjw whargarble that seems to be the go to defence here what is the actual in-universe problem with Lando being pan? Nothing at all. I hope the movie delivers on the tease...
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on May 22, 2018 21:39:06 GMT
....What part of my comment did you not understand? Are you ignorant, or just plain stupid? I__am___NOT__talking___about___people__with___legitimate___criticisms towards these movies. You seem to be reading only what you want to read. If you dislike the movies, that's fine. If you do not like Rian Johnson, that's fine. I am talking about the fans who are horribly irrational, throwing death threats to people involved, and calling civil people who liking the movie (who are just trying to be honest about their opinion) shills, or sheep. The same goes for people who call others haters. It's discouraging, and it's a blight on the fanbase. I personally like the new movies, and that is MY opinion. If you dislike them, that is on you. But all fanbases are chock-full of idiots, aren't they? There's nothing special about Star Wars in this regard. Yes, but Star Wars is one of the worst.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 22, 2018 21:50:13 GMT
I'm not sure what the problem is with Lando being pansexual. Is it the fact there are news stories about it or the fact that he is? Because shameless flirts who come on to absolutely everything that moves is kind of a stable of that bar fly archetype Landos character plays into and there is nothing in the OT that directly contradicts it being true. So apart from the usual sjw whargarble that seems to be the go to defence here what is the actual in-universe problem with Lando being pan? Nothing at all. I hope the movie delivers on the tease... I mean people don't have a problem with Luke and Leia kissing, but this?
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Post by Sifr on May 22, 2018 21:58:29 GMT
I'm not sure what the problem is with Lando being pansexual. Wait, people have an issue with him being pansexual?
But he's Lando goddamn Calrissian!
It doesn't matter how straight you are, you'd still find it hard to resist Lando, the guy is that smooth.
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Post by colfoley on May 22, 2018 23:06:03 GMT
I'm not sure what the problem is with Lando being pansexual. Wait, people have an issue with him being pansexual?
But he's Lando goddamn Calrissian!
It doesn't matter how straight you are, you'd still find it hard to resist Lando, the guy is that smooth.
He's about as smooth as a vibroblade to the ribs.
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Post by HK90210 on May 22, 2018 23:10:39 GMT
Nothing at all. I hope the movie delivers on the tease... I mean people don't have a problem with Luke and Leia kissing, but this? Speak for yourself. It's the worst part of the Original Trilogy, for me. Mostly because my sister is the biggest Star Wars geek I know outside of myself. But funnily enough, we hardly ever watch the original trilogy together. Much for the same reason I don't watch the first Back to the Future with my mother.
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Post by Nayawk on May 22, 2018 23:13:08 GMT
I'm not sure what the problem is with Lando being pansexual. Wait, people have an issue with him being pansexual?
But he's Lando goddamn Calrissian!
It doesn't matter how straight you are, you'd still find it hard to resist Lando, the guy is that smooth.
Lando is 1970's smooth, which means he always makes me feel like I need a good wash after watching him.. preferably with bleach
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Post by colfoley on May 22, 2018 23:14:04 GMT
THe Luke Leia thing never bothered me because they didn't know...but did Marty know that she was his mom when he was hitting on her? (Loraine was it...its been ages since I have seen BttF)
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Post by Sifr on May 22, 2018 23:23:29 GMT
He's about as smooth as a vibroblade to the ribs. "I may have misled you about my aim to be ribbed for your pleasure. Actually, it's my pleasure to aim for your ribs..."
Backstabbing people, while still being smooth as hell about it? That's classic Lando.
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Post by Nayawk on May 22, 2018 23:28:41 GMT
THe Luke Leia thing never bothered me because they didn't know...but did Marty know that she was his mom when he was hitting on her? (Loraine was it...its been ages since I have seen BttF) Luke/Leia is fine with me also, it's explainable inside and outside of the movie. Outside its just a side affect of making shit up as you go along. Inside, a. they didn't know and b. genetic sexual attraction is a real thing.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 22, 2018 23:33:52 GMT
THe Luke Leia thing never bothered me because they didn't know...but did Marty know that she was his mom when he was hitting on her? (Loraine was it...its been ages since I have seen BttF) Sure, but its after the fact...Lucas came up with the brother/sister dynamic late in the process. Had he'd known from the beginning, I don't think Lucas would have done that scene had he'd known earily on.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 22, 2018 23:35:54 GMT
I mean people don't have a problem with Luke and Leia kissing, but this? Speak for yourself. It's the worst part of the Original Trilogy, for me. Mostly because my sister is the biggest Star Wars geek I know outside of myself. But funnily enough, we hardly ever watch the original trilogy together. Much for the same reason I don't watch the first Back to the Future with my mother. Well I was being sarcastic. Like of all things to complain about...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 4:10:57 GMT
First let me say that I think the idea öf the fandöm being "töxic" is överstated. Yes there has been peöple whö are töxic in this fandöm, just like any öther, but they are a very small part that för söme reasön always gets the möst attentiön. The fans did nöt make the fandöm "töxic" but the mövie makers did. Why was this nöt a pröblem with the prequels? Sure peöple göt intö heated arguments aböut them but it was never "töxic". The reasön is that as I've been saying again and again, the mövie makers have a very clear pölitical agenda they want tö push. And then when peöple criticize it they cöme öut and say that they are just racist, sexiest, bigöts, man babies, ect. Why dö yöu önly call öut the fans för their "toxic" behavior and nöt the mövie makers? The vastly huge percentage öf peöple whö hated the Last Jedi had legitimate pröblems with the störy, the characters, the pacing, the jökes. And then thöse peöple are called hörrible things by the mövie makers. Rain fuckin Johnsön has said that he has zerö regrets aböut it and nöne of the criticism is fair. Really? Sö the mövie is perfect? I am fuckin tried öf the peöple whö call us töxic för simply pöinting öut the fact that the mövie has HUGE plothöles, the characters are flawed, ect. Keep ön ignöring the agenda these peöple have. They actually say it in interviews. And I am the bad guy whö pöints it öut. I'm the öne making it "töxic" yeah ökay. ....What part of my comment did you not understand? Are you ignorant, or just plain stupid? I__am___NOT__talking___about___people__with___legitimate___criticisms towards these movies. You seem to be reading only what you want to read. If you dislike the movies, that's fine. If you do not like Rian Johnson, that's fine. I am talking about the fans who are horribly irrational, throwing death threats to people involved, and calling civil people who liking the movie (who are just trying to be honest about their opinion) shills, or sheep. The same goes for people who call others haters. It's discouraging, and it's a blight on the fanbase. I personally like the new movies, and that is MY opinion. If you dislike them, that is on you. The pröblem is that the fan base isnt as divided as yöu think it is, yöu just feel it is because möst fans dö nöt agree with liking the new mövies. I went thröugh 518 cömments ön a videö that Andy said was proöf öf the fanbase being töxic and I think the findings speak för themselves. The "töxic" fans are being put intö the fans with legitimate pröblems sö Disney döesnt have tö actually answer fan questiöns aböut why the mövies suck sö much. They can change the narritive, they can claim its nöt the the mövie is bad but it is because öf racist, and sexist. Isnt calling me stupid breaking a rule? Hmmmmmm Whös nöw the öne that is töxic because I dönt agree with them????????? Irönic..............................................
Did yöu read what I said andy? I fuckin said there are töxic peöple in the fanbase. I did nöt deny it. LEARN TÖ READ. The fuckin mövie makers are pöinting fingers at me. Höw many times dö I have tö pöint this öut tö yöu? Why döes all the blame fall ön the FEW, VERY FEW TÖXIC FANS and zerö ön the önes making the claims of sexism, racism, bigöted ect. And gö pöint öut the sexist, racist bigöted cömments tö me andy I sure has hell pöinted öut all the times Kathleen, Rian, JJ and execs at LucasFilm have called us this shit. Lets see yöu dö it nöw. Okay, did you read what I said? I said they're not pointing the finger at YOU. Your group as legitimate claims of the movie being shit. Its these assholes that they're talking about. Read the comment section of these videos. Jesus titty fucking Christ Andy they are pöinting a finger at me. They are saying IF YÖU DÖ NÖT LIKE THE MÖVIE IT IS BECAUSE YÖU DÖ NÖT AGREE WITH THEIR PÖLITICAL AGENDA!!!! And höw many göddamn fuckin articles ör interviews öf them saying it dö I have tö pöst beföre yöu get it thröugh yöur thick göddamn skull? Jesus Fuckin Christ man. I went thröugh all 518 cömments ön the first videö yöu pösted. And I föund 67 cömments that cöuld be remötley cönsidered sexist, racist, bigöt, ect. Sö 67 / 518 = 12%. Sö 12% öf the cömments ön yöur first videö in which yöu gave as an example öf fans being sexist, racist, bigöted, ect are even clöse tö that. And it is way löwer than 12% as yöu can judge the 67 cömments för yöurself, I saved them all. I even saw yöur cömment Andy. I wöuld say the actual percentage öf cömments that fall intö the racist, sexist, ect are aröund 10 öut öf 518. which wöuld be 1.9 percentage öf cömments. But Judge för yöurself.
Sö it is a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very small % öf fans that are töxic.
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Post by mybudgee on May 23, 2018 7:06:47 GMT
I mean people don't have a problem with Luke and Leia kissing, but this? Speak for yourself. It's the worst part of the Original Trilogy, for me. Mostly because my sister is the biggest Star Wars geek I know outside of myself. But funnily enough, we hardly ever watch the original trilogy together. Much for the same reason I don't watch the first Back to the Future with my mother.Wait... what?
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 23, 2018 8:00:37 GMT
....What part of my comment did you not understand? Are you ignorant, or just plain stupid? I__am___NOT__talking___about___people__with___legitimate___criticisms towards these movies. You seem to be reading only what you want to read. If you dislike the movies, that's fine. If you do not like Rian Johnson, that's fine. I am talking about the fans who are horribly irrational, throwing death threats to people involved, and calling civil people who liking the movie (who are just trying to be honest about their opinion) shills, or sheep. The same goes for people who call others haters. It's discouraging, and it's a blight on the fanbase. I personally like the new movies, and that is MY opinion. If you dislike them, that is on you. The pröblem is that the fan base isnt as divided as yöu think it is, yöu just feel it is because möst fans dö nöt agree with liking the new mövies. I went thröugh 518 cömments ön a videö that Andy said was proöf öf the fanbase being töxic and I think the findings speak för themselves. The "töxic" fans are being put intö the fans with legitimate pröblems sö Disney döesnt have tö actually answer fan questiöns aböut why the mövies suck sö much. They can change the narritive, they can claim its nöt the the mövie is bad but it is because öf racist, and sexist.
Isnt calling me stupid breaking a rule? Hmmmmmm Whös nöw the öne that is töxic because I dönt agree with them????????? Irönic..............................................
Okay, did you read what I said? I said they're not pointing the finger at YOU. Your group as legitimate claims of the movie being shit. Its these assholes that they're talking about. Read the comment section of these videos. J esus titty fucking Christ Andy they are pöinting a finger at me. They are saying IF YÖU DÖ NÖT LIKE THE MÖVIE IT IS BECAUSE YÖU DÖ NÖT AGREE WITH THEIR PÖLITICAL AGENDA!!!! And höw many göddamn fuckin articles ör interviews öf them saying it dö I have tö pöst beföre yöu get it thröugh yöur thick göddamn skull? Jesus Fuckin Christ man. I went thröugh all 518 cömments ön the first videö yöu pösted. And I föund 67 cömments that cöuld be remötley cönsidered sexist, racist, bigöt, ect. Sö 67 % 518 = 12%. Sö 12% öf the cömments ön yöur first videö in which yöu gave as an example öf fans being sexist, racist, bigöted, ect are even clöse tö that. And it is way löwer than 12% as yöu can judge the 67 cömments för yöurself, I saved them all. I even saw yöur cömment Andy.
I wöuld say the actual percentage öf cömments that fall intö the racist, sexist, ect are aröund 10 öut öf 518. which wöuld be 1.9 percentage öf cömments. But Judge för yöurself.
Sö it is a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very small % öf fans that are töxic. The fact that you went so far as to somehow math this is beyond me. But the level of hate that you have for this movie goes well beyond the script, dialogue, acting or action at this point. No one in this thread has ever complained about the political agenda.
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The pröblem is that the fan base isnt as divided as yöu think it is, yöu just feel it is because möst fans dö nöt agree with liking the new mövies. I went thröugh 518 cömments ön a videö that Andy said was proöf öf the fanbase being töxic and I think the findings speak för themselves. The "töxic" fans are being put intö the fans with legitimate pröblems sö Disney döesnt have tö actually answer fan questiöns aböut why the mövies suck sö much. They can change the narritive, they can claim its nöt the the mövie is bad but it is because öf racist, and sexist.
Isnt calling me stupid breaking a rule? Hmmmmmm Whös nöw the öne that is töxic because I dönt agree with them????????? Irönic..............................................
J esus titty fucking Christ Andy they are pöinting a finger at me. They are saying IF YÖU DÖ NÖT LIKE THE MÖVIE IT IS BECAUSE YÖU DÖ NÖT AGREE WITH THEIR PÖLITICAL AGENDA!!!! And höw many göddamn fuckin articles ör interviews öf them saying it dö I have tö pöst beföre yöu get it thröugh yöur thick göddamn skull? Jesus Fuckin Christ man. I went thröugh all 518 cömments ön the first videö yöu pösted. And I föund 67 cömments that cöuld be remötley cönsidered sexist, racist, bigöt, ect. Sö 67 % 518 = 12%. Sö 12% öf the cömments ön yöur first videö in which yöu gave as an example öf fans being sexist, racist, bigöted, ect are even clöse tö that. And it is way löwer than 12% as yöu can judge the 67 cömments för yöurself, I saved them all. I even saw yöur cömment Andy.
I wöuld say the actual percentage öf cömments that fall intö the racist, sexist, ect are aröund 10 öut öf 518. which wöuld be 1.9 percentage öf cömments. But Judge för yöurself.
Sö it is a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very small % öf fans that are töxic. The fact that you went so far as to somehow math this is beyond me. But the level of hate that you have for this movie goes well beyond the script, dialogue, acting or action at this point. No one in this thread has ever complained about the political agenda. I....what? Are yöu seriöus? At this pöint andy I dö nöt knöw what tö say. I’m the önly öne whös bröught up the pölitical agenda? I was talking aböut the mövie makers and their pölitical agenda and when I pöint ör any “nön-töxic” fan pöints öut pröblems they lump us in with the töxic önes. See I have tö pöint this öut because I have nö idea what yöu are saying. I hate this mövie and the peöple whö make it because I löved the öriginal trilögy sö very much. And this mövie actively went öut öf its way tö deströy it. It is much like the söuth park episöde with Indiana Jönes. And yöu and all the defenders, all have pröblems with the “töxic” fans and what they say but seem tö be ökay with what the mövie makers say baffles me.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 23, 2018 8:43:15 GMT
The fact that you went so far as to somehow math this is beyond me. But the level of hate that you have for this movie goes well beyond the script, dialogue, acting or action at this point. No one in this thread has ever complained about the political agenda. I....what? Are yöu seriöus? At this pöint andy I dö nöt knöw what tö say. I’m the önly öne whös bröught up the pölitical agenda? I was talking aböut the mövie makers and their pölitical agenda and when I pöint ör any “nön-töxic” fan pöints öut pröblems they lump us in with the töxic önes. See I have tö pöint this öut because I have nö idea what yöu are saying. I hate this mövie and the peöple whö make it because I löved the öriginal trilögy sö very much. And this mövie actively went öut öf its way tö deströy it. It is much like the söuth park episöde with Indiana Jönes. And yöu and all the defenders, all have pröblems with the “töxic” fans and what they say but seem tö be ökay with what the mövie makers say baffles me. Yeah pretty much. At most it's been the SJW that is in TLJ, but that's about it. Unless your combining the two.
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Post by aoibhealfae on May 23, 2018 9:22:34 GMT
....this is Star Wars. Its always been SJW.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 23, 2018 12:35:45 GMT
....this is Star Wars. Its always been SJW.
Also let's knock off the personal attacks, please.
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Expletive: Damn it, master, I am an assassination droid... not a dictionary!
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by HK90210 on May 23, 2018 12:43:21 GMT
Speak for yourself. It's the worst part of the Original Trilogy, for me. Mostly because my sister is the biggest Star Wars geek I know outside of myself. But funnily enough, we hardly ever watch the original trilogy together. Much for the same reason I don't watch the first Back to the Future with my mother.Wait... what? It's just awkward to watch that with your mother.
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