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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 1, 2018 0:11:00 GMT
Not to mention that it's something that a Sith would do. And also cowardly, killing someone in their sleep. Which is why he didn’t do it. But almost did. And last time I checked, killing a defenses person goes against everything that a Jedi is. Even if there is a chance that they may fall to the Darkside.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 1, 2018 0:13:32 GMT
Okay so what did Kylo did back than that deserved his death by Luke? Besides for having a couple of visions of the darkside? Care to explain? Look I’m not saying killing him would have been the right thing but he sensed great evil and felt he should act. No different than what Mace did or rather tried to do.
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 1, 2018 0:13:58 GMT
Which is why he didn’t do it. But almost did. And last time I checked, killing a defenses person goes against everything that a Jedi is. Even if there is a chance that they may fall to the Darkside. This applies to 99.9% of ALL FORCE USERS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:16:22 GMT
Okay so what did Kylo did back than that deserved his death by Luke? Besides for having a couple of visions of the darkside? Care to explain? Look I’m not saying killing him would have been the right thing but he sensed great evil and felt he should act. No different than what Mace did or rather tried to do. There's a big difference between what Mace did and what Luke did. Luke tried to kill a boy for no reason while Mace tried valiantly to kill a real and viable threat.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 1, 2018 0:18:45 GMT
I disagree. When Vader threatened Leia in RotJ, Luke went into a rage then as well and tried to kill Vader. He completely abandoned trying to turn his father back to the light at that moment. It was only after Vader was on the ground and Palpatine was talking him into finishing his father off and replacing him did Luke snap out of it. Luke has a history of losing control when his loved ones are threatened, being even willing to kill a family member one whom he swore to help to do it. Kylo didn't even do ANYTHING to deserve what Luke did. Nothing. All he felt was a darkside influence and somehow he bounced to some far-fetched conclusion that he had to kill his own nephew because of it. Who knows how Kylo would've ended up if only Luke didn't do that (something that's completely out of character) and If Kylo is one of his loved ones, like you say, than he would've gone after Snoke or something... idk, but what he did was completely out of character. So someone has a vision given to them created by a Dark Side user that feels so real that the person getting them feels a compulsion to act on those visions even though all they are actually doing is helping said Dark Side user's plan. Yeah, that has never happened to anybody in Star Wars before, especially not to a Skywalker. In what time between stopping himself and Kylo responding did Luke have to go after Snoke? There was none. And as I said before, this isn't the first time when faced with this that Luke has acted this way. After all Vader was a loved one yet Luke ditched the idea of saving him for a while as he assaulted Vader. The fact he managed to stop himself almost immediately is more character growth than character assassination. Not to mention that this is one of the big storytelling devices used in fantasies like Star Wars: self-fulfilling prophecy. Luke feared Ben would turn to the Dark Side and another Empire would emerge with him so acted on it, causing that thing he feared would happen to happen. Anakin feared Padme would die in childbirth so acted on it, causing the thing he feared would happen to happen.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 1, 2018 0:19:15 GMT
Look I’m not saying killing him would have been the right thing but he sensed great evil and felt he should act. No different than what Mace did or rather tried to do. There's a big difference between what Mace did and what Luke did. Luke tried to kill a boy for no reason while Mace tried valiantly to kill a real and viable threat. If he had killed him I’d agree but he didn’t so I don’t.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:20:50 GMT
Just a refresher, since many of you seem to have forgotten (or never knew what this term meant in the 1st place, yet used it ad nauseum because you heard someone else using it) Plot-Hole n. In fiction, a plot hole, plot-hole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements/actions or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline (or established lore) Examples from episode 8: - Ma-Rey Sue/Leia knowing how to use the Force with mastery simply because they possess magical ovaries - Luke not giving a shit about anything but fresh breast-milk - Bombs "falling" in a low/zero gravity environment - Ma-Rey Sue resisting the Dark Side anus by sheer willpower & a dash of self-righteous feminism - Snoke being killed by a David Blaine street magic trick, despite being a very intelligent & powerful Force user - An entire resistance Army forgetting to get gas in all of their ships - An execution needing 5 minutes of "lining up the laser-axe" before chopping - Meeting a spy/hacker in person when everyone else in the galaxy uses Holo-Skype - Setting space-horses free but leaving the human slaves in chains for no reason - Saving someone's life who was about to sacrifice themselves nobly by attempting to sacrifice oneself foolishly and then miraculously surviving in order to deliver the dumbest line in Sci-Fi history - No using the Force AT ALL during a viscous duel in which you are outnumbered (also dropping your weapon instead of stabbing Ma-Rey with it when you have a chance) - Killing your nephew while he sleeps because he had a moment of violent fantasizing/lusting for power - Standing over said nephew with a LOUD laser sword for several moments so he can wake & defend himself stupidly - A lightsaber is torn in half, knocking out cold a very powerful, highly trained Force-user while a novice merely shakes it off and walks away - I can name more but I am sick to my stomach... None of those are plot holes. First what dö yöu cönsider a plöt höle? And if I pöinted them öut based ön yöur definitiön wöuld yöu admit it is a plöt höle?
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 1, 2018 0:21:15 GMT
Okay so what did Kylo did back than that deserved his death by Luke? Besides for having a couple of visions of the darkside? Care to explain? Look I’m not saying killing him would have been the right thing but he sensed great evil and felt he should act. No different than what Mace did or rather tried to do. Listen to yourself. Sheev attacked Windu with a lightsaber & Force-fucking lightning! Ben/Kylo let a bad fart go while dreaming about power... In which galaxy are these even close to the same?!?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:21:51 GMT
Kylo didn't even do ANYTHING to deserve what Luke did. Nothing. All he felt was a darkside influence and somehow he bounced to some far-fetched conclusion that he had to kill his own nephew because of it. Who knows how Kylo would've ended up if only Luke didn't do that (something that's completely out of character) and If Kylo is one of his loved ones, like you say, than he would've gone after Snoke or something... idk, but what he did was completely out of character. So someone has a vision given to them created by a Dark Side user that feels so real that the person getting them feels a compulsion to act on those visions even though all they are actually doing is helping said Dark Side user's plan. Yeah, that has never happened in Star Wars before, especially not a Skywalker. In what time between stopping himself and Kylo responding did Luke have to go after Snoke? There was none. And as I said before, this isn't the first time when faced with this that Luke has acted this way. After all Vader was a loved one yet Luke ditched the idea of saving him for a while as he assaulted Vader. The fact he managed to stop himself almost immediately is more character growth than character assassination. Not to mention that this is one of the big storytelling devices used in fantasies like Star Wars: self-fulfilling prophecy. Luke feared Ben would turn to the Dark Side so acted on it, causing that thing he feared to happen to happen. Anakin feared Padme would die in childbirth so acted on it, causing the thing he feared would happen to happen. He could go hunt for the dark side user that was influencing his nephew's actions rather than just try and kill him. That's also there too, you know.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 1, 2018 0:22:03 GMT
I done arguing semantics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:22:55 GMT
There's a big difference between what Mace did and what Luke did. Luke tried to kill a boy for no reason while Mace tried valiantly to kill a real and viable threat. If he had killed him I’d agree but he didn’t so I don’t. One wasn't a threat and the other one was.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 1, 2018 0:23:18 GMT
Look I’m not saying killing him would have been the right thing but he sensed great evil and felt he should act. No different than what Mace did or rather tried to do. Listen to yourself. Sheev attacked Windu with a lightsaber & Force-fucking lightning! Ben/Kylo let a bad fart go while dreaming about power... In which galaxy are these even close to the same?!? Must be been one smelly fart.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:24:39 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 1, 2018 0:24:59 GMT
So someone has a vision given to them created by a Dark Side user that feels so real that the person getting them feels a compulsion to act on those visions even though all they are actually doing is helping said Dark Side user's plan. Yeah, that has never happened in Star Wars before, especially not a Skywalker. In what time between stopping himself and Kylo responding did Luke have to go after Snoke? There was none. And as I said before, this isn't the first time when faced with this that Luke has acted this way. After all Vader was a loved one yet Luke ditched the idea of saving him for a while as he assaulted Vader. The fact he managed to stop himself almost immediately is more character growth than character assassination. Not to mention that this is one of the big storytelling devices used in fantasies like Star Wars: self-fulfilling prophecy. Luke feared Ben would turn to the Dark Side so acted on it, causing that thing he feared to happen to happen. Anakin feared Padme would die in childbirth so acted on it, causing the thing he feared would happen to happen. He could go hunt for the dark side user that was influencing his nephew's actions rather than just try and kill him. That's also there too, you know. Yes, he could have. And he should have. Luke clearly realized that hence why he exiled himself and became the depressed and grumpy old man we see him as. However as mentioned Luke has a history of not doing this so I don't see how this time it is against his character when in two of the three films he was the main character in had him do exactly the same thing.
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 1, 2018 0:25:39 GMT
None of those are plot holes. First what dö yöu cönsider a plöt höle? And if I pöinted them öut based ön yöur definitiön wöuld yöu admit it is a plöt höle? Many kids these days use words that they have little to no understanding of. Examples; Literally Research Spirit-animal Hard work Self-reliance Emotional intelligence Manual transmission
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:27:29 GMT
What plot holes you ask? Here's 5 hour long critique of the movie. Plot holes included: Apparently one can make a movie analysys that doesn't come down to "you didn't like the movie because you had wrong preconceptions" The peöple whö like this mövie pretend thöse videö dö nöt exist
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:30:05 GMT
He could go hunt for the dark side user that was influencing his nephew's actions rather than just try and kill him. That's also there too, you know. Yes, he could have. And he should have . Luke clearly realized that hence why he exiled himself and became the depressed and grumpy old man we see him as. However as mentioned Luke has a history of not doing this so I don't see how this time it is against his character when in two of the three films he was the main character in had him do exactly the same thing. Even though i'm pretty sure Luke could've made amends by helping the rebellion thus helping Leia.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 1, 2018 0:31:21 GMT
Yes, he could have. And he should have . Luke clearly realized that hence why he exiled himself and became the depressed and grumpy old man we see him as. However as mentioned Luke has a history of not doing this so I don't see how this time it is against his character when in two of the three films he was the main character in had him do exactly the same thing. Even though i'm pretty sure Luke could've made amends by helping the rebellion thus helping Leia. As I've said in the past, I don't agree with Luke's decision. I just understand why he made the decision he did and don't see it as out of character for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:33:28 GMT
Even though i'm pretty sure Luke could've made amends by helping the rebellion thus helping Leia. As I've said in the past, I don't agree with Luke's decision. I just understand why he made the decision he did and don't see it as out of character for him. Have you ever seen the sequels/prequels... whatever they're called again?
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Post by Iakus on Jul 1, 2018 0:37:05 GMT
Kylo didn't even do ANYTHING to deserve what Luke did. Nothing. All he felt was a darkside influence and somehow he bounced to some far-fetched conclusion that he had to kill his own nephew because of it. Who knows how Kylo would've ended up if only Luke didn't do that (something that's completely out of character) and If Kylo is one of his loved ones, like you say, than he would've gone after Snoke or something... idk, but what he did was completely out of character. So someone has a vision given to them created by a Dark Side user that feels so real that the person getting them feels a compulsion to act on those visions even though all they are actually doing is helping said Dark Side user's plan. Yeah, that has never happened to anybody in Star Wars before, especially not to a Skywalker. THe visions came from SNoke? Citation needed. He had every moment of every day since that night to either go after Snoke, train more Jedi, or join the Resistance. He chose instead to drink unpasteurized green milk from an alien seal's boob. Also, Luke didn't go full rage-on until Vader directly threatened Leia. And at the time Luke had TWO Sith Lords bending their will towards corrupting him. So throwing away character development is okay if you really really want to recycle a trope?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 1, 2018 0:40:17 GMT
As I've said in the past, I don't agree with Luke's decision. I just understand why he made the decision he did and don't see it as out of character for him. Have you ever seen the sequels/prequels... whatever they're called again? Yes, I have.
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 1, 2018 0:41:41 GMT
There, they're, their mybudgee you'll get over it one day. I like being childish too
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:42:31 GMT
Have you ever seen the sequels/prequels... whatever they're called again? Yes, I have. Okay than.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 1, 2018 0:45:10 GMT
There, they're, their mybudgee you'll get over it one day. I like being childish too That's what's great about Star Wars isn't?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 0:46:23 GMT
I done arguing semantics. Because I am wrong FTFY
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