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Post by Iakus on Jul 4, 2018 23:38:22 GMT
No one "needs" to do anything, that's the wonderful thing about living in a free society. I can piss and moan about how TLJ was terrible, and you can complain about me pissing and moaning. What I see isn't a "film with flaws", what *I* see is practically sacrilege, so yeah, I definitely understand why people feel the need to drive the point home as it were. Seriously? "Sacriledge"? No wonder that filmmaker doesn't wanna do a Star Wars film... Umm...Jediism has been around since 2001... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism
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Post by Iakus on Jul 4, 2018 23:43:22 GMT
Depends, can you withhold the salt or do you it need to grit more roads? Who's saltier the people upset with TLJ, or the people whining about how the people upset about TLJ "ruined" Solo?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 4, 2018 23:52:22 GMT
Depends, can you withhold the salt or do you it need to grit more roads? Who's saltier the people upset with TLJ, or the people whining about how the people upset about TLJ "ruined" Solo? Based on this thread? Clearly the posters upset with TLJ. Cause there's more of you.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 5, 2018 0:00:26 GMT
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 5, 2018 1:44:14 GMT
He changed and for obvious reasons. How hard is that to see?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 5, 2018 1:56:53 GMT
Ok.... Please explain yourself. You had the word correctly spelled in the post you quoted, and then put this abortion of english, "Sacriledge" in quotes. Is English your native language?
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Post by HK90210 on Jul 5, 2018 3:26:58 GMT
He changed and for obvious reasons. How hard is that to see? His character was butchered to the point of unrecognizability off-screen and that makes no sense from a story continuity perspective. If his character was to shift this radically, the audience needed to be there for the ride in order for it to fit into the story in a way that is acceptable. How hard is that to understand?
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 5, 2018 3:54:28 GMT
He changed and for obvious reasons. How hard is that to see? Yet the core traits of Han Solo's and Leia's characters remained the same versus Luke moping around on some backwater planet feeling sorry for himself while the little monster he helped to create is hunting down his friends and family.
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Post by Obadiah on Jul 5, 2018 4:10:27 GMT
He changed and for obvious reasons. How hard is that to see? Yet the core traits of Han Solo's and Leia's characters remained the same versus Luke moping around on some backwater planet feeling sorry for himself while the little monster he helped to create is hunting down his friends and family. And? There are 3 years between the ANH and ESB, 2 years between ESB and RotJ, and 30+ years between RotJ and TFA. Luke changed. Complaining about it and demanding character consistency otherwise "bad writing" is dumb.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 5, 2018 4:42:42 GMT
Yet the core traits of Han Solo's and Leia's characters remained the same versus Luke moping around on some backwater planet feeling sorry for himself while the little monster he helped to create is hunting down his friends and family. And? There are 3 years between the ANH and ESB, 2 years between ESB and RotJ, and 30+ years between RotJ and TFA. Luke changed. Complaining about it and demanding character consistency otherwise "bad writing" is dumb. Character inconsistency for the sake of forced drama, not consistency, is bad writing. Leia had ample time and good reason to change too, but do we see her shooting up death sticks in some seedy bar instead of fighting against her son?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 5, 2018 5:53:39 GMT
None of those are plot holes. Your mind-numbing posts are going against the flow of my established logic ... I'll be back later Truth & logic do not exist or if they do they are so relative they're just opinions. #postmodernism
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 5, 2018 5:59:08 GMT
I disagree. When Vader threatened Leia in RotJ, Luke went into a rage then as well and tried to kill Vader. He completely abandoned trying to turn his father back to the light at that moment. It was only after Vader was on the ground and Palpatine was talking him into finishing his father off and replacing him did Luke snap out of it. Luke has a history of losing control when his loved ones are threatened, being even willing to kill a family member one whom he swore to help to do it. Kylo didn't even do ANYTHING to deserve what Luke did. Nothing. All he felt was a darkside influence and somehow he bounced to some far-fetched conclusion that he had to kill his own nephew because of it. Who knows how Kylo would've ended up if only Luke didn't do that (something that's completely out of character) and If Kylo is one of his loved ones, like you say, than he would've gone after Snoke or something... idk, but what he did was completely out of character. Yeah that was a rushed and immature move by nu-Luke tbh
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 5, 2018 6:35:59 GMT
Your mind-numbing posts are going against the flow of my established logic ... I'll be back later Truth & logic do not exist or if they do they are so relative they're just opinions. #postmodernism #hashtag Postmodernism is a concept. Logic is not, Logic is not relative. That's the point of logic. God damn. Pretty sure you know this. Irony post?
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 5, 2018 7:17:01 GMT
I remember the first thought I had in the theater during this scene was "Wow this is dogshit, glad they won't use it a second time..."
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Post by correctamundo on Jul 5, 2018 10:26:40 GMT
He changed and for obvious reasons. How hard is that to see? Someone stole their sweetroll you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 12:16:07 GMT
He changed and for obvious reasons. How hard is that to see? What are the obviöus reasöns?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jul 5, 2018 12:20:31 GMT
Yet the core traits of Han Solo's and Leia's characters remained the same To the point where it's like they have no character development whatsoever. Disney! We totally know characters! He changed and for obvious reasons. How hard is that to see? What are the obviöus reasöns? They're so obvious, they're hard to see. Obviously.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 5, 2018 12:43:46 GMT
Yet the core traits of Han Solo's and Leia's characters remained the same To the point where it's like they have no character development whatsoever. Disney! We totally know characters! What are the obviöus reasöns? They're so obvious, they're hard to see. Obviously. Says the person who hasn’t seen the new movies.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jul 5, 2018 12:58:25 GMT
Says the person who hasn’t seen the new movies. Because they're so hard to see. Obviously
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Post by Iakus on Jul 5, 2018 13:02:50 GMT
Yet the core traits of Han Solo's and Leia's characters remained the same versus Luke moping around on some backwater planet feeling sorry for himself while the little monster he helped to create is hunting down his friends and family. And? There are 3 years between the ANH and ESB, 2 years between ESB and RotJ, and 30+ years between RotJ and TFA. Luke changed. Complaining about it and demanding character consistency otherwise "bad writing" is dumb.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 5, 2018 13:54:07 GMT
He changed and for obvious reasons. How hard is that to see? What are the obviöus reasöns? It’s almost pointless explaining to you but I’ll give it a go. He watched everything thing he worked for go down in flames. Everything he feared came true. That would change anyone.
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