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Post by docsteely on Jul 18, 2018 15:07:35 GMT
He said the real Luke, but you're right. Jake Skywalker is cannon now.
And the only things I look forward to concerning SW are: - the firing of KK; - the complete removal of Ruin Johnson and Chuck Wendig from any further interaction with the SW Universe; - an apology from JJ Abrams for his treating of the fans. One that was the real Luke. 2 That won’t happen so you’ll be upset. 3. Again won’t happen and finally he has nothing to apologize for. 1. That is your opinion and we already had a long argument about it, which essentially boils down to: you said a man can change in 30 yrs to which I said not in his defining traits. You are not going to convince me otherwise and I am not going to convince you otherwise so let's leave it at that.
2. & 3 & 4. I will not be upset if any of these things does not happen. I just won't give a shit anymore about their SW universe and I'll listen to the message so vehemently vehiculated by these 4 persons: they don't need me or any other person like me as a fan. So consequently I won't spend a dime on their products anymore. I have enough of the old SW including EU to explore.
And I am not "threatened by women characters", that's why JJ Abrams owes me and others like me an apology.
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Post by docsteely on Jul 18, 2018 15:14:22 GMT
He said the real Luke, but you're right. Jake Skywalker is cannon now.
And the only things I look forward to concerning SW are: - the firing of KK; - the complete removal of Ruin Johnson and Chuck Wendig from any further interaction with the SW Universe; - an apology from JJ Abrams for his treating of the fans. You mean Jake Skywalker is (Mickey) canon. Whether he should also be fired from a cannon is a separate topic As to the rest, meh. The damage is done, nothing short of a time machine will fix it. The comeuppance of a few individuals rings rather hollow, especially since I don't know them or are remotely near them, even in Internet terms. So even if I were the kind to enjoy their termination, I just can't be assed about it. What they do now is utterly irrelevant to me one way or another. I agree with all your points (especially the canon one ), but one can have (A New) Hope, right?
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 18, 2018 15:17:44 GMT
One that was the real Luke. 2 That won’t happen so you’ll be upset. 3. Again won’t happen and finally he has nothing to apologize for. 1. That is your opinion and we already had a long argument about it, which essentially boils down to: you said a man can change in 30 yrs to which I said not in his defining traits. You are not going to convince me otherwise and I am not going to convince you otherwise so let's leave it at that.
2. & 3 & 4. I will not be upset if any of these things does not happen. I just won't give a shit anymore about their SW universe and I'll listen to the message so vehemently vehiculated by these 4 persons: they don't need me or any other person like me as a fan. So consequently I won't spend a dime on their products anymore. I have enough of the old SW including EU to explore.
And I am not "threatened by women characters", that's why JJ Abrams owes me and others like me an apology. 1. Agreed. 2. Good we don’t want you either. 3. He said that in response to idiots having issue with a female lead and I agree with him.
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Post by docsteely on Jul 18, 2018 15:21:02 GMT
1. That is your opinion and we already had a long argument about it, which essentially boils down to: you said a man can change in 30 yrs to which I said not in his defining traits. You are not going to convince me otherwise and I am not going to convince you otherwise so let's leave it at that.
2. & 3 & 4. I will not be upset if any of these things does not happen. I just won't give a shit anymore about their SW universe and I'll listen to the message so vehemently vehiculated by these 4 persons: they don't need me or any other person like me as a fan. So consequently I won't spend a dime on their products anymore. I have enough of the old SW including EU to explore.
And I am not "threatened by women characters", that's why JJ Abrams owes me and others like me an apology. 1. Agreed. 2. Good we don’t want you either. 3. He said that in response to idiots having issue with a female lead and I agree with him. 3. No, he said that in response to fans not liking TLJ, which, if you're honest, is not the same.
P.S. And stop trying to rile me up. It has happened with one troll, already, it won't happen again. Nothing gives you the right to call other people idiots.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 18, 2018 15:27:32 GMT
He said the real Luke, but you're right. Jake Skywalker is cannon now. #NotMySkywalker
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jul 18, 2018 15:34:37 GMT
I agree with all your points (especially the canon one ), but one can have (A New) Hope, right? Sure, but I see a hope so slim it can hardly be said to be there at all. I honestly feel liberated by my indifference. I was worried about what Disney was going to do prior to Hope Harder, I was disappointed and annoyed in between that and Christmas last year, and all of that was driven by a feeling of inevitability- Star Wars is too big to ignore, they're going to continue wrecking it and I can do nothing but sit here and take it. And then The Last Travesty release date came closer and closer, my friends kept asking if I'd see it with them and I just... said no. It came and went. A week passed, then another than another. And the more I ignored it, the easier it became. And not just ignoring the movie. Ignoring the reviews, the joke videos, all of it. I hear people talking about it- my friends, people in here and elsewhere on the internet. They only confirm the downward slope I predicted four years ago. But it's so far removed from me it doesn't matter. Abandoning it altogether has really worked wonders (to the extent any fictional franchise affects me at any rate- let's be real it's just a fandom.) I still have the Star Wars. No one can take it from me. And even my other great fear that I would be starved for discussion of the proper Star Wars and instead get Disney trolls whining about canon hasn't really come to pass. The key is again, picking your spots. I can still discuss the OT, PT or EU with my friends. I can discuss it in here when the TLJ circlejerk takes a pause. That's enough, as there isn't really that much to say. No one needs to know what Thrawn's sweat tastes like.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jul 18, 2018 15:35:10 GMT
He said the real Luke, but you're right. Jake Skywalker is cannon now. #NotMySkywalker Ehh. We can do better than emulate that nonsense.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 18, 2018 15:41:13 GMT
Well there can be some explanations and theories for sudden change in Skywalker's character. Indeed they're crappy...
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 18, 2018 15:48:30 GMT
What is it about Star Wars that brings out so much vitriol? They're just movies, people.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 18, 2018 16:34:31 GMT
1. Agreed. 2. Good we don’t want you either. 3. He said that in response to idiots having issue with a female lead and I agree with him. 3. No, he said that in response to fans not liking TLJ, which, if you're honest, is not the same.
P.S. And stop trying to rile me up. It has happened with one troll, already, it won't happen again. Nothing gives you the right to call other people idiots.
I’m not a troll and the people that I called idiots are the ones that can’t accept change or a female lead. I think I’m done with the real trolls however and yes I mean you.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 18, 2018 16:35:06 GMT
What is it about Star Wars that brings out so much vitriol? They're just movies, people. You forget these guys think they are the holy gospel.
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Post by aglomeracja on Jul 18, 2018 16:43:28 GMT
A controversial (for me and others who consider TLJ shite) thought: maybe Rian Johnson could make a pretty good SW movie if it wasn't a direct serquel to OT/didn't have any OT characters?
It seems that he liked KOTOR2 and wanted to add some "grey" to the light vs. dark, but it just wasn't a good idea (and execution) to do it with already established characters like Luke.
Luke just isn't Kreia and if he were to become like her, then it better be the main focus of the movie. He also had to somehow resolve everything what TFA set up and it's not like I don't get why he preferred to get rid of most of those stupid themes, but he failed to do so without making even more mess.
Anyway, some of his ideas could be way better suited for a spin-off.
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Post by docsteely on Jul 18, 2018 16:47:08 GMT
3. No, he said that in response to fans not liking TLJ, which, if you're honest, is not the same.
P.S. And stop trying to rile me up. It has happened with one troll, already, it won't happen again. Nothing gives you the right to call other people idiots.
I’m not a troll and the people that I called idiots are the ones that can’t accept change or a female lead. I think I’m done with the real trolls however and yes I mean you. I did not call you a troll, the person I called a troll acted like one. I did not call you an idiot either.
What exactly gives you the right to call me a troll or to call other people idiots, just because we disagree with your points of view?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 18, 2018 16:49:54 GMT
A controversial (for me and others who consider TLJ shite) thought: maybe Rian Johnson could make a pretty good SW movie if it wasn't a direct serquel to OT/didn't have any OT characters? It seems that he liked KOTOR2 and wanted to add some "grey" to the light vs. dark, but it just wasn't a good idea (and execution) to do it with already established characters like Luke. Luke just isn't Kreia and if he were to become like her, then it better be the main focus of the movie. He also had to somehow resolve everything what TFA set up and it's not like I don't get why he preferred to get rid of most of those stupid themes, but he failed to do so without making even more mess. Anyway, some of his ideas could be way better suited for a spin-off. Too much progressivism injected into a nihilo-philosophical KOTOR II clone would still have been a bad idea. And... he's already blown his chance.
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 18, 2018 17:49:07 GMT
I have enough of the old SW including EU to explore.
And I am not "threatened by women characters", that's why JJ Abrams owes me and others like me an apology. 3. He said that in response to idiots having issue with a female lead and I agree with him. Oh wow. Couple things here Grif. Firstly, you don't seem "clever" for liking Episode 8: the Last Dumpster Fire. Trust me Secondly, there may be a few exceptions, but most of us aren't threatened by female characters. We are threatened by BADLY WRITTEN characters, especially when they are integral to the "plot" These are my favorite movies from the past few years, ALL OF WHICH have a female lead/strong supporting role by a female. (not to mention the ALIEN trilogy, Kill Bill, DEath Proof, etc.) Sorry but you're 100% wrong on this one
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Post by docsteely on Jul 18, 2018 19:04:52 GMT
3. He said that in response to idiots having issue with a female lead and I agree with him. Oh wow. Couple things here Grif. Firstly, you don't seem "clever" for liking Episode 8: the Last Dumpster Fire. Trust me Secondly, there may be a few exceptions, but most of us aren't threatened by female characters. We are threatened by BADLY WRITTEN characters, especially when they are integral to the "plot" These are my favorite movies from the past few years, ALL OF WHICH have a female lead/strong supporting role by a female. (not to mention the ALIEN trilogy, Kill Bill, DEath Proof, etc.) Sorry but you're 100% wrong on this one Don’t bother arguing, he’s already called everyone who disagrees with his point of view idiots and/or trolls. Frankly, I am a little disappointed: there are very few people on the other side of the argument able to sustain a calm, rational debate.
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 18, 2018 19:11:11 GMT
Oh wow. Couple things here Grif. Firstly, you don't seem "clever" for liking Episode 8: the Last Dumpster Fire. Trust me Secondly, there may be a few exceptions, but most of us aren't threatened by female characters. We are threatened by BADLY WRITTEN characters, especially when they are integral to the "plot" These are my favorite movies from the past few years, ALL OF WHICH have a female lead/strong supporting role by a female. (not to mention the ALIEN trilogy, Kill Bill, DEath Proof, etc.) Sorry but you're 100% wrong on this one Don’t bother arguing, he’s already called everyone who disagrees with his point of view idiots and/or trolls. Frankly, I am a little disappointed: there are very few people on the other side of the argument able to sustain a calm, rational debate. It's because they have no ground to stand on
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 18, 2018 19:13:13 GMT
Oh wow. Couple things here Grif. Firstly, you don't seem "clever" for liking Episode 8: the Last Dumpster Fire. Trust me Secondly, there may be a few exceptions, but most of us aren't threatened by female characters. We are threatened by BADLY WRITTEN characters, especially when they are integral to the "plot" These are my favorite movies from the past few years, ALL OF WHICH have a female lead/strong supporting role by a female. (not to mention the ALIEN trilogy, Kill Bill, DEath Proof, etc.) Sorry but you're 100% wrong on this one Don’t bother arguing, he’s already called everyone who disagrees with his point of view idiots and/or trolls. Frankly, I am a little disappointed: there are very few people on the other side of the argument able to sustain a calm, rational debate. I'd be great if TLJ debate would just end. It's been 8 months since release.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 18, 2018 19:24:01 GMT
Don’t bother arguing, he’s already called everyone who disagrees with his point of view idiots and/or trolls. Frankly, I am a little disappointed: there are very few people on the other side of the argument able to sustain a calm, rational debate. It's because they have no ground to stand on
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 18, 2018 19:54:24 GMT
Don’t bother arguing, he’s already called everyone who disagrees with his point of view idiots and/or trolls. Frankly, I am a little disappointed: there are very few people on the other side of the argument able to sustain a calm, rational debate. I'd be great if TLJ debate would just end. It's been 8 months since release. This is the theme of the thread for months
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 18, 2018 19:59:25 GMT
3. No, he said that in response to fans not liking TLJ, which, if you're honest, is not the same.
P.S. And stop trying to rile me up. It has happened with one troll, already, it won't happen again. Nothing gives you the right to call other people idiots.
I’m not a troll and the people that I called idiots are the ones that can’t accept change or a female lead. I think I’m done with the real trolls however and yes I mean you. There is no bigger troll in this thread than you.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jul 18, 2018 20:07:29 GMT
Alright, let's knock off the troll accusations. Does fuck all, except push one or more people closer to the line, and no one wants that.
And as only a personal recommendation at this time, maybe we should leave the TLJ circlejerk to rest for a while. Even if the thread dies down for a bit, that's ok too. It's clearly going nowhere and no one likes the spinning.
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