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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 20:58:50 GMT
Again where is the proöf? RT themselves said they were real.
Yöu just cant deal with the fact that möst peöple hated the film and yöu are in the minörity.
Some people didn't like the film, you don't get to 1.3 billion take with ' most people' hating the film. 1.3 billion is more than Frozen and that damn thing is beloved. I think you can say many of the more hardcore SW fans hated it, but I think it would be foolish to suggest that almost every single person who put their arses in a cinema seat came out of it hating TLJ, not think it was meh or just ok, but actively hating it. They göt tö that number because it had the wörds Star Wars ön it.
It was öne öf the biggest dröp öff in its secönd week because fans hated it sö much and Solö bömbing is a result öf TLJ.
What will it take för yöu guys tö admit they destöryed the greatest film franchise? If episöde 9 bömbs will yöu make excuses för it toö?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 19, 2018 21:07:43 GMT
This thread lately: Re: Star Wars in general anymore:
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Post by Nayawk on Aug 19, 2018 21:18:54 GMT
Some people didn't like the film, you don't get to 1.3 billion take with ' most people' hating the film. 1.3 billion is more than Frozen and that damn thing is beloved. I think you can say many of the more hardcore SW fans hated it, but I think it would be foolish to suggest that almost every single person who put their arses in a cinema seat came out of it hating TLJ, not think it was meh or just ok, but actively hating it. They göt tö that number because it had the wörds Star Wars ön it.
It was öne öf the biggest dröp öff in its secönd week because fans hated it sö much and Solö bömbing is a result öf TLJ.
What will it take för yöu guys tö admit they destöryed the greatest film franchise? If episöde 9 bömbs will yöu make excuses för it toö?
I'm not denying some people didn't like it. I'm denying most people hated it. I just find it hard to believe that you think out of the millions of people who went to see it, from causal viewers to kids to hardcore fans, that almost all of those people hated it. Not thought it was only ok or didn't think it was that great, but really hated it. Hating something takes investment, I don't think the majority of any film audience is that invested.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 21:51:32 GMT
They göt tö that number because it had the wörds Star Wars ön it.
It was öne öf the biggest dröp öff in its secönd week because fans hated it sö much and Solö bömbing is a result öf TLJ.
What will it take för yöu guys tö admit they destöryed the greatest film franchise? If episöde 9 bömbs will yöu make excuses för it toö?
I'm not denying some people didn't like it. I'm denying most people hated it. I just find it hard to believe that you think out of the millions of people who went to see it, from causal viewers to kids to hardcore fans, that almost all of those people hated it. Not thought it was only ok or didn't think it was that great, but really hated it. Hating something takes investment, I don't think the majority of any film audience is that invested.
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Post by Nayawk on Aug 19, 2018 22:01:21 GMT
I'm not denying some people didn't like it. I'm denying most people hated it. I just find it hard to believe that you think out of the millions of people who went to see it, from causal viewers to kids to hardcore fans, that almost all of those people hated it. Not thought it was only ok or didn't think it was that great, but really hated it. Hating something takes investment, I don't think the majority of any film audience is that invested. And we all know what Mythbusters had to say about that
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Post by river82 on Aug 20, 2018 4:29:19 GMT
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Post by smilesja on Aug 20, 2018 4:37:15 GMT
Anyone hear about Rian Johnson’s trilogy possibly getting axed?
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Post by river82 on Aug 20, 2018 4:55:33 GMT
Anyone hear about Rian Johnson’s trilogy possibly getting axed? Yeah, Mike Zeroh made a clip about it. IIRC I think it was based off that Lamont comment where he said a project which would have explored Tattoine and new galaxies has been shelved. I think someone made a connection with Rian Johnson's comment about exploring new galaxies and the rumour went from there, but to be honest it could mean anything, like the Obi Wan spinoff. There's nowhere near enough info out there at the moment to make a solid connection, though. I also think Mike Zeroh misquoted when he made his video but I'm not sure, can't remember.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 20, 2018 6:07:42 GMT
There's another BNS-type forum out there for LGBT+ people who felt disgruntled about some things that happened here. I also post over there. Anyway, there's a SW thread over there. People who post are so polite. It's kind of weird. I even felt bad saying I didn't care for TLJ but then I'd be lying if I kept quiet about it. However, since it's polite, I don't post there the way I do here. I've been to a few boards like that, like 4 I think. Not evil enough
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 20, 2018 11:58:40 GMT
A bunch of those reviews were bots and fake. So I don't trust them. Sorry, no. The Last Dumpster Fire is at LEAST as controversial & divisive as the prequels, probably more so since they should have learned from those films. It's cool if you want to lie to yourself, but don't post dumb stuff as if it were fact www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42424445It may never have been proven 100% but many of those reviews are suspicious. A lot are copy pasted. I will agree it is a divisive film but plenty liked it and I'm not lying to myself.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 20, 2018 13:05:26 GMT
Sorry, no. The Last Dumpster Fire is at LEAST as controversial & divisive as the prequels, probably more so since they should have learned from those films. It's cool if you want to lie to yourself, but don't post dumb stuff as if it were fact www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42424445It may never have been proven 100% but many of those reviews are suspicious. A lot are copy pasted. I will agree it is a divisive film but plenty liked it and I'm not lying to myself.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 20, 2018 13:24:00 GMT
I bet people are super excited to watch how the rest of the old heroes are killed off while the new ones are simply a magnitude smaller in character development. It's the special effects that takes their screentime away. So the movie looks cool but it's just a turd and bland af from the intellectual viewers aspect. You'll like the visuals but the content won't feed you since it's hollow, a cheap repetition of old SW stories and without a proper story-telling neither.
Have you ever wondered why the Matrix trilogy left so many wrinkles on your brow? The story-telling was shit.
Now, I do believe there's still some gullible fool going: "Maybe it will all come together in the 3rd part" - and rush to see the last movie, I don't think there is enough of them for a worth SW finale. You know, sometimes people actually draw their lesson from "fool me twice.." and act accordingly. Except for the kids, they just enjoy shiny pictures and effects more like grwon-ups do.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 20, 2018 15:08:15 GMT
See, the thing about "suspicious reviews" is that essentially - when people make the argument of "suspicious reviews" or "russian bots" or "trolls" or what have you, those arguments tend to serve a dual purpose: De-legitimize the argument made by those "bots", and un-person the people making them. After all, if this is only "Russian bots" and not a substantial group of people who think differently then me, then I don't really need to engage their arguments in an honest fashion. Pretty much agree. Someone argued that the ratings for the MET could have been a result of "buying" better reviews. It's away of, as you say, de-legitimizing the ratings when they don't fit. I questioned why that didn't happen with MEA. No response.
In any case, there are clearly differences. I truly disliked TLJ. My brother enjoyed it. I thought Solo was okay. He wasn't a fan of it. Of course, he doesn't post to forums or shout out his opinion to the world. I suspect that's more true of both sides of the argument.
I have enjoyed movies with poor ratings and hated some with great reviews. I don't think any Russian boys are infiltrating SW reviews. What would be the purpose? How is it going to impact our social or political landscape?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 20, 2018 15:13:57 GMT
I don't think any Russian boys are infiltrating SW reviews. What would be the purpose? How is it going to impact our social or political landscape?
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Post by mybudgee on Aug 20, 2018 17:17:11 GMT
It may never have been proven 100% but many of those reviews are suspicious. The point is, every time a franchise gets an update there are people who dislike the update, however, when a franchise receives an especially vocal backlash, it's best to look at the reasons for it, because it takes quite a bit of abuse to turn large groups of addicted fans to the "dark side", and it's often a sign of deeper issues.
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Post by Camel on Aug 20, 2018 17:26:11 GMT
Again where is the proöf? RT themselves said they were real.
Yöu just cant deal with the fact that möst peöple hated the film and yöu are in the minörity.
Some people didn't like the film, you don't get to 1.3 billion take with ' most people' hating the film. 1.3 billion is more than Frozen and that damn thing is beloved. I think you can say many of the more hardcore SW fans hated it, but I think it would be foolish to suggest that almost every single person who put their arses in a cinema seat came out of it hating TLJ, not think it was meh or just ok, but actively hating it. I recommended and went to TFA with my friend and his family, I recommended and went to TLJ with my girlfriend because it's Star Wars. Since Ryan Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy butchered one of my favourite fandoms(treatment of Luke(and Mark Hamill), the Vice Admiral Gender Studies, MaRey Sue, plot holes and destroying of SW lore etc.) I'm done with Disney SW and I will boycott it like many other fans.
It got so much money because of it's aura and brand name, look how Solo bombed when people figured out what Disney is doing with the franchise. And I'll make damn sure to discourage anyone from going to the next SW movie.
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Ah yes! I remember Star Crash, the Star Wars knockoff film that's entertainingly bad as hell!
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 20, 2018 23:17:29 GMT
It may never have been proven 100% but many of those reviews are suspicious. See, the thing about "suspicious reviews" is that essentially - when people make the argument of "suspicious reviews" or "russian bots" or "trolls" or what have you, those arguments tend to serve a dual purpose: De-legitimize the argument made by those "bots", and un-person the people making them. After all, if this is only "Russian bots" and not a substantial group of people who think differently then me, then I don't really need to engage their arguments in an honest fashion. Furthermore, if we start questioning the motives behind reviews, if we start assuming that reviews are being written based on things other than simple merit, perhaps you'd like to look at "official" reviews as well? When a movie like "Black Panther" comes out and receives almost universally positive reviews (I mean, come on, 97% of "professional" reviews on RT are positive? for a super-hero movie?...), while the few negative reviews are decried as "racist" and shamed by a bunch of the usual screeching ideologues, it should be obvious (if it wasn't already) that this problem exists on every level. "Professional" reviews aren't any less biased than audience reviews, and their bias tends to line up along the same lines as well, which makes it easy to form a "shield wall" when something of ideological importance (to them) is being attacked by "Russian bots" and "trolls". When it comes to the amount of people who like or dislike something on the internet Vs. real life, it's usually safe to assume that the people on the internet are simply the most vocal and vehement representation of a larger group that thinks along similar lines, though usually less intensely. A bit like an iceberg, only the tip is above water, and most of it is hidden from view. There are legitimate reasons for people not to like Disney-SW and TLJ in particular, they were mentioned here ad-nasuem (and IIRC your usual response tends to be along the lines of quoting a long post and adding "but I liked it" at the bottom, which is fair enough I suppose, but not particularly relevant or helpful when someone is pointing out flaws or has a criticism to level at something), it's a fact that many of the most hardcore SW fans, people who ranted about SW for decades (here and elsewhere) found the new movies disappointing. (not all of them mind you, but certainly a decent chunk, I'd even argue that probably the majority) This doesn't invalidate different opinions, but implications of "nah, this isn't actual backlash, it's just Russian bots or whatever" are about as disingenuous as they come. Not that something like this would actually be surprising to me. The point is, every time a franchise gets an update there are people who dislike the update, however, when a franchise receives an especially vocal backlash, it's best to look at the reasons for it, because it takes quite a bit of abuse to turn large groups of addicted fans to the "dark side", and it's often a sign of deeper issues. I understand the criticism and I will agree that there are things that people don't like. I'll even admit there are some eyebrow raising moments. I don't agree that a majority hated at most it's 50/50. I understand why some don't like it and that's fine.
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The point is, every time a franchise gets an update there are people who dislike the update, however, when a franchise receives an especially vocal backlash, it's best to look at the reasons for it, because it takes quite a bit of abuse to turn large groups of addicted fans to the "dark side", and it's often a sign of deeper issues.Indeed. I was a diehard SW fan. Loved a good chunk of the EU, be they books or comics. Loved a lot of the games, even the short-on-story SW: The Force Unleashed. (I bitch out space-flying Leia but this guy could pull starships from the sky.) I've written stories where my characters are Jedi. I've been watching SW movies since they first came out when I was 6, back when it was simply called "Star Wars". I had SW stuff and so did my friends. Yet, TLJ twisted something inside of me where I found it unwatchable. I was disappointed with the prequels but hopeful for the sequels. And, tbh, Jacen Solo was done way, way better than Kylo Ren. Disney saying the novels aren't canon opens them up to ripping off a better story for this travesty. I think I'll start ignoring the movies and happily re-read the EU books.
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