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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 24, 2018 16:18:53 GMT
I don't know if this counts considering she wasn't actually in the prequel movies, but I'll say Ashoka Tano is my favorite prequel Jedi. Maybe next to Obi-Wan, Yoda, or Qui-Gon Jinn. For those wondering why I didn't say Mace Windu, it's because even though he's played by freaking Sam Jackson, his character is a bit of a jerk honestly.
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Post by heathenoxman on Sept 24, 2018 18:35:37 GMT
Okay, I finally got around to watching TLJ (it was free on Netflix), and, while I thought it was okay, I can understand why hard-core SW fans would be a tad miffed.
I really didn't like what they did with Luke. They made him look like a butthead, and I couldn't believe Rey actually bested him in a lightsaber battle. I get that he was closed off from the Force, but, in any sane universe, you pick a lightsaber fight with Luke Friggen Skywalker, you lose big time.
I liken it to how I would feel if FOX decided to reboot "The X-Files" and the two new agents meet Mulder and Scully, and the noobs are written to be so much smarter and more capable than M&S in an effort to convince fans to accept the new characters. Oh, and those "race horse" alien things looked like the creature from the PS4 game "The Last Guardian."
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 24, 2018 19:55:18 GMT
I really didn't like what they did with Luke. They made him look like a butthead, and I couldn't believe Rey actually bested him in a lightsaber battle. I get that he was closed off from the Force, but, in any sane universe, you pick a lightsaber fight with Luke Friggen Skywalker, you lose big time. I don't know. Even as a casual Star Wars fan, I didn't necessarily find any problems with Luke. I never saw him as a butthead, but more of a tortured soul that lost everything because of his mistake, and doesn't want anything to do with the Force after that. And unless you're thinking about the old canon EU, I never saw Luke as the best lightsaber duelist ever. It wasn't even a lightsaber duel in the movie, but he felt frightened when Rey ignited the lightsaber and threatened to kill him, almost given in to the dark side. If there's one thing that I find established in Star Wars lore, you can overpower anyone in a lightsaber duel if you lean into the dark side of the Force. That's how Rey beat Kylo Ren despite not holding a lightsaber before. That's how Luke beat Darth Vader in return of the Jedi.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 24, 2018 21:38:58 GMT
I've been introducing my 4 year old niece and nephew to the original trilogy.
They liked the first two movies. Nephew especially was cheering when the "big robots" (AT-ATs) were blown up on Hoth.
The rancor in RotJ was scaring my niece though. Will have to finish that one later. Nephew was quite taken by Jabba's "hohoho" laughter.
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Post by mybudgee on Sept 24, 2018 22:14:58 GMT
I've been introducing my 4 year old niece and nephew to the original trilogy. They liked the first two movies. Nephew especially was cheering when the "big robots" (AT-ATs) were blown up on Hoth. The rancor in RotJ was scaring my niece though. Will have to finish that one later. Nephew was quite taken by Jabba's "hohoho" laughter. Please spare them the sequels... They're innocent children
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 24, 2018 22:20:52 GMT
I've been introducing my 4 year old niece and nephew to the original trilogy. They liked the first two movies. Nephew especially was cheering when the "big robots" (AT-ATs) were blown up on Hoth. The rancor in RotJ was scaring my niece though. Will have to finish that one later. Nephew was quite taken by Jabba's "hohoho" laughter. Please spare them the sequels... They're innocent children He already showed them Jabba's Palace. Nothing in the sequels was worse than that slog.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 24, 2018 22:26:41 GMT
I've been introducing my 4 year old niece and nephew to the original trilogy. They liked the first two movies. Nephew especially was cheering when the "big robots" (AT-ATs) were blown up on Hoth. The rancor in RotJ was scaring my niece though. Will have to finish that one later. Nephew was quite taken by Jabba's "hohoho" laughter. Please spare them the sequels... They're innocent children
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Post by Iakus on Sept 24, 2018 22:27:44 GMT
Please spare them the sequels... They're innocent children He already showed them Jabba's Palace. Nothing in the sequels was worse than that slog. The nephew was thoroughly enjoying it, and didn't want me to turn it off...
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Post by river82 on Sept 24, 2018 22:42:16 GMT
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 25, 2018 2:05:38 GMT
Please spare them the sequels... They're innocent children He already showed them Jabba's Palace. Nothing in the sequels was worse than that slog. Only part of ROTJ that I don't like, till the action bit.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 25, 2018 2:30:07 GMT
Come on guys, I'll say it a million times if I have to, the sequels are not that bad. At least compared to the prequels.
I'm pretty sure if I have kids and introduce them to the world of Star Wars, I'll probably start with the original trilogy and then move on to the sequel trilogy. I'll definitely avoid the prequels unless I want them to fall asleep.
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Post by Radec on Sept 25, 2018 6:08:04 GMT
Please spare them the sequels... They're innocent children He already showed them Jabba's Palace. Nothing in the sequels was worse than that slog. After Lucas added in 10 metric tons of prequel looking CGI diarrhea in DVD re-releases, yeah. Wasn't always that way, though. If Disney wanted to earn some easy goodwill from OT fans, it could strip all that embarrassing garbage back out.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 25, 2018 12:54:47 GMT
Hmm, interesting to think about how to introduce someone to Star Wars. Start with the OT of course. But then? Prequels or Thrawn? The tricky thing about the former is getting someone to accept the era, despite the faults and pitfalls of the movies themselves. And of course, nothing after 2014.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 25, 2018 13:14:48 GMT
As someone who's never seen it knowing where to start is the problem. It's an incredibly daunting franchise with prequels, sequels, books, pre-Disney, post-Disney etc etc.
Is it as easy as following the chronological order of release?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 25, 2018 13:25:50 GMT
As someone who's never seen it knowing where to start is the problem. It's an incredibly daunting franchise with prequels, sequels, books, pre-Disney, post-Disney etc etc. Is it as easy as following the chronological order of release? lol and speaking of... Ok, let's try this. Start with the originals, of course. Episode IV: A New Hope Episode V: Empire Strikes Back Episode VI: Return of the Jedi Then it gets tricky. Are you interested in Star Wars in other media, such as books, games etc? That may be something you can answer better once you've seen the movies. Assuming yes, the true sequels to the trilogy is the Thrawn trilogy novels by Timothy Zahn: Heir to the Empire Dark Force Rising The Last Command They've the very height of the Expanded Universe in terms of quality storytelling. Otherwise you can do the prequels. I'd pretty much watch them in chronological order as well, since they do get better (well, relatively speaking): Episode I: Phantom Menace Episode II: Attack of the Clones Episode III: Revenge of the Sith I'd say start with that, and then check back for further recommendations.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 25, 2018 13:34:53 GMT
As someone who's never seen it knowing where to start is the problem. It's an incredibly daunting franchise with prequels, sequels, books, pre-Disney, post-Disney etc etc. Is it as easy as following the chronological order of release? lol and speaking of... Ok, let's try this.... Gotcha. After going through those six I guess it will be then, and only then, that I can feel the true heartbreak and indignation of a SW fan as I go into the newer stuff. Or I could watch the first 3 films, read the 3 books, and pretend nothing else ever happened.
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Post by Radec on Sept 25, 2018 13:47:32 GMT
Hmm, interesting to think about how to introduce someone to Star Wars. Start with the OT of course. But then? Prequels or Thrawn? The tricky thing about the former is getting someone to accept the era, despite the faults and pitfalls of the movies themselves. And of course, nothing after 2014. OT certainly is the first step. After that, I'm not so sure. Thrawn trilogy (really anything by Zahn) is excellent, but with introducing old C-canon things, you'd have the elefant in the room of having to explain why there's a dumb children's cartoon where the character is a cackling bond villain who gets eaten by magic space whales. Prequels are trash (3 a bit less so, but it's still not great). I'm not of the opinion that just because Disney wars is bad that it makes that shlock look any better. Unfortunately they're canon, so it's sort of required to at least cover them. Honestly I'd have someone watch the Plinkett reviews of the first two rather than slogging through the films. Then have them watch Clone Wars cartoon and finally RotS Also if you still have your original Xbox, let them borrow it with both KoToR games. Disney Wars? Eh, they'll find out about that on their own through marketing, but if you've introduced this stuff first then they should have a solid base for figuring out why it sucks.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 25, 2018 13:50:33 GMT
The prequels are good for bloody noobs. They have a lot of background story explaining the whole setting. Now if they weren't 2/3 of them kiddie movies they'd be really decent. I stopped watching after the 2nd but I hear the 3rd wasn't that bad. Anyway. For the background I'd start them with prequels. Especially when they are kids, cos that's entirely the focus group.
Then let them see the original trilogy and then tell them there isn't any more. They should end watching Star Wars on a good note.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 25, 2018 14:04:51 GMT
The thing with the prequels is they do great world building and there's a whole bunch of stuff that uses that, or at least that aesthetic that is good and shouldn't be missed, including Old Republic stuff. Hence why I still value them and would include them in the experience.
Besides, with a newbie, you're not going to have years of nostalgia and expectation to give the gravity of disappointment existing fans felt the first time around. You'll instead have three movies with dated CGI, terrible direction, inconsistent plot, stiff wooden dialogue and otherwise good actors going to waste (Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid notwithstanding). Depending on your tolerance for bad movies, it shouldn't be that bad.
But it's worth it for the world building. Assuming you're invested in teh world. Hmm, this may answer my question. If you watch the OT and you're invested enough to keep going, ask yourself what you care about. If it's the characters, go to Thrawn. If you want to see more of the world, do the prequels (and then go to Thrawn). It'll be a good palette cleanser and it'll hopefully undo the damage of the prequels. Then depending on your interest you can dive into other things.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 25, 2018 14:10:21 GMT
As someone who's never seen it knowing where to start is the problem. It's an incredibly daunting franchise with prequels, sequels, books, pre-Disney, post-Disney etc etc. Is it as easy as following the chronological order of release? When I was first introduced to Star Wars, it was through the Phantom Menace, which was also my family's first introduction to Star Wars (my dad likes Jar Jar. He is a dork in a real life though so that's not saying much). While I feel a lot of the people here have their hearts in the right place, I think it's kind of unfair to leave out the Disney movies. Personally, my viewing order should probably go like this: The Original Trilogy: - A New Hope - Empire Strikes Back - Return of the Jedi The Sequel Trilogy: - The Force Awakens - The Last Jedi - Episode IX Then the Prequel trilogy: - The Phantom Menace - Attack of the Clones - Revenge of the Sith Leave the spin-off movies, TV shows, and books alone and let the kids discover it themselves. Since this will be the kids' most likely first exposure to Star Wars, the sequel trilogies shouldn't piss them off since they won't be as familiar to the lore. (It was the massive amount of Lore collected by Star Wars fans and the adults trying to add logic to a magical space universe that ruined the Last Jedi honestly.)
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Post by masterwarderz on Sept 25, 2018 14:26:06 GMT
Come on guys, I'll say it a million times if I have to And I will disagree with you a million times.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 25, 2018 14:27:55 GMT
It was the massive amount of Lore collected by Star Wars fans and the adults trying to add logic to a magical space universe that ruined the Last Jedi honestly. God I hate this argument. Magic doesn't mean you can do absolutely fucking anything, because magic! Suspension of disbelief does not work that way!! You have your magical element that does what you establish it does, and everything else follows the natural, logical order of things, unless you establish some other clear reason why it doesn't. Saying, "fuck logic, because magic" to this extreme means you can literally vomit anything on the screen and we can't question it because magic. If absolutely anything can happen, then everything is meaningless. The other implication that better lore "ruined" the Last Travesty, is also terrible, but I can only raise my blood pressure so high.
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