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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 21, 2023 16:47:34 GMT
Question: Is "Din Grogu" a writing flub? Shouldn't it be Grogu Djarin? I thought maybe I just entirely misunderstood Mandalorian naming conventions, but then I remembered Bo-Katan Kryze, who is stated clearly to be of house Kryze not house Bo-Katan, so now I'm confused. Din should be Din's first name, I think? And naming his son Din Grogu is just weird in that case. Its like naming John Smith's son Tom "John Tom".
Also, "he wasn't already considered adopted???" was another thought I had, but I guess that technically was just me assuming that "your foundling" and "your kid" meant... well. his kid. As in "you are a parent now" not "you are temporarily holding on to him". I guess it might be the same as the difference between a foster parent and an adopted one. It just didn't occur to me that him not being considered Grogu's dad was even a thing at this point.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 21, 2023 16:48:43 GMT
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Post by skekSil on Apr 21, 2023 19:12:52 GMT
Here's a thought: Yoda was 900 y.o. but still couldn't talk well in Basic, Grogu is 50.y.o. and although he can understand others and communicates with Ashoka and Luke via Force still can't say a word. Perhaps their species are not well adapted to verbal communication at all maybe section of the brain responsible for speech is less developed or something like that and they use Force as an alternative since all known representatives of their species are known to be Force users.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 21, 2023 20:55:01 GMT
Here's a thought: Yoda was 900 y.o. but still couldn't talk well in Basic, Grogu is 50.y.o. and although he can understand others and communicates with Ashoka and Luke via Force still can't say a word. Perhaps their species are not well adapted to verbal communication at all maybe section of the brain responsible for speech is less developed or something like that and they use Force as an alternative since all known representatives of their species are known to be Force users. I know it's technically not canon anyway but I was always surprised they didn't make Master Vandar from KotOR speak in Yoda's pattern. Maybe he was linguistic savant.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 21, 2023 22:06:35 GMT
I never read any of novels/comics, but wasn’t there another “one of Yoda’s species” that was a Jedi in the lead up to Order 66…? Yaddle? ‘Not canon’ now, I know, but she spoke normally. The collective mind blow when people realise that Yoda’s odd speech was just a symptom of some form of intellectual disability or brain injury would be quite the thing to behold.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 21, 2023 22:11:45 GMT
Question: Is "Din Grogu" a writing flub? Shouldn't it be Grogu Djarin? I thought maybe I just entirely misunderstood Mandalorian naming conventions, but then I remembered Bo-Katan Kryze, who is stated clearly to be of house Kryze not house Bo-Katan, so now I'm confused. Din should be Din's first name, I think? And naming his son Din Grogu is just weird in that case. Its like naming John Smith's son Tom "John Tom". Also, "he wasn't already considered adopted???" was another thought I had, but I guess that technically was just me assuming that "your foundling" and "your kid" meant... well. his kid. As in "you are a parent now" not "you are temporarily holding on to him". I guess it might be the same as the difference between a foster parent and an adopted one. It just didn't occur to me that him not being considered Grogu's dad was even a thing at this point. I thought that was weird as well. You’re right, none of it seems to make sense, but maybe there’s an obscure reason somewhere. Although on the parentage aspect, I’m pretty sure Din was just Grogu’s guardian, not his adoptive parent. Just because we consider him Grogu’s dad, doesn’t have to mean he was by the Creed. But I could absolutely have that wrong.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 21, 2023 23:52:12 GMT
I suppose its possible Din goes by the naming conventions of his biological parents and they did last name first? Only reason I can think of.
Djarin strikes me as such a weird first name. lol I guess I'll get used to it if/when he ever comes up again, but still.
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Post by rewindbutton on Apr 22, 2023 10:10:14 GMT
She appears in the new Tales of the Jedi show and talks normally. AFAIK it is canon, which means that it's just Yoda who this way talks.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 22, 2023 19:21:07 GMT
If it turns out that Yoda was actually a cognitively challenged person of his species all along, that would be the most politically correct awesome plot twist ever.
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Post by skekSil on May 4, 2023 22:17:45 GMT
Second season of Star Wars Visions was quite good.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 8, 2023 7:56:59 GMT
The Jedi are in chaos b/c there aren’t any anymore. lol I mean I’m not even sure Rey counts. She’s a morally good force user, sure, but what traditions does she follow? If nightmothers aren’t sith by default, then random good guy force users aren’t Jedi by default. Is there even a record of Jedi things left to follow? Did they even save those Jedi books from the burning tree? I can’t remember.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 8, 2023 8:14:45 GMT
The Jedi are in chaos b/c there aren’t any anymore. lol I mean I’m not even sure Rey counts. She’s a morally good force user, sure, but what traditions does she follow? If nightmothers aren’t sith by default, then random good guy force users aren’t Jedi by default. Is there even a record of Jedi things left to follow? Did they even save those Jedi books from the burning tree? I can’t remember. Isn’t it going to be set 15 years after the last one? It seems reasonable to assume that a few more Force users have shown up. Or maybe Luke is force ghost haunting her, like Obi-Wan and Yoda did to him, and she’s getting info about the Jedi from him. Or maybe, since the Jedi were blind to the truth about Palpatine, she is just using it as a reset, and the Jedi will be different to the ones that failed the galaxy.
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Post by Iakus on May 8, 2023 20:56:25 GMT
The Jedi are in chaos b/c there aren’t any anymore. lol I mean I’m not even sure Rey counts. She’s a morally good force user, sure, but what traditions does she follow? If nightmothers aren’t sith by default, then random good guy force users aren’t Jedi by default. Is there even a record of Jedi things left to follow? Did they even save those Jedi books from the burning tree? I can’t remember. Plus, Yoda's final instruction to Luke was "Pass of what you have learned" And Disney made damn sure that DID NOT HAPPEN in their canon.
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Post by saandrig on May 9, 2023 10:09:15 GMT
Did they even save those Jedi books from the burning tree? I can’t remember. She saved the books. But as we know, "page turners they are not". Plus - Luke never read them too. And the Jedi Order has been rebuilt several times through the ages. Even if we don't consider it canon anymore, some of those times happened from people who had almost no training and weren't associated with the previous iteration of the Order. So the dogma and rules had to be rewritten many times.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 9, 2023 20:06:35 GMT
Did they even save those Jedi books from the burning tree? I can’t remember. She saved the books. But as we know, "page turners they are not". Plus - Luke never read them too. And the Jedi Order has been rebuilt several times through the ages. Even if we don't consider it canon anymore, some of those times happened from people who had almost no training and weren't associated with the previous iteration of the Order. So the dogma and rules had to be rewritten many times. Yea, that's true and maybe that's a good thing. It seems if they are around for too long at a time, they become very dogmatic and inflexible in their ways. They seem to be that way in the late days of both, the Old Republic and the pre-Empire Republic.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 9, 2023 21:07:32 GMT
She saved the books. But as we know, "page turners they are not". Plus - Luke never read them too. And the Jedi Order has been rebuilt several times through the ages. Even if we don't consider it canon anymore, some of those times happened from people who had almost no training and weren't associated with the previous iteration of the Order. So the dogma and rules had to be rewritten many times. Yea, that's true and maybe that's a good thing. It seems if they are around for too long at a time, they become very dogmatic and inflexible in their ways. They seem to be that way in the late days of both, the Old Republic and the pre-Empire Republic. Exactly. It seems like a strong case for the belief that just because a code or dogma was good (or even perfect) 20,000 years or even 200 years in the past, doesn't mean it is fit for purpose 'now'. The Jedi became complacent and that allowed one psychopath - who I assume was initially elected to the Senate democratically - to gather an army and just take over. A new Jedi Order that bears only passing similarities to the one that failed sounds like it could actually be the way to go.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 9, 2023 21:33:39 GMT
Yea, that's true and maybe that's a good thing. It seems if they are around for too long at a time, they become very dogmatic and inflexible in their ways. They seem to be that way in the late days of both, the Old Republic and the pre-Empire Republic. Exactly. It seems like a strong case for the belief that just because a code or dogma was good (or even perfect) 20,000 years or even 200 years in the past, doesn't mean it is fit for purpose 'now'. The Jedi became complacent and that allowed one psychopath - who I assume was initially elected to the Senate democratically - to gather an army and just take over. A new Jedi Order that bears only passing similarities to the one that failed sounds like it could actually be the way to go. Yeah, though to be honest, I think the meassure for "success" that the Jedi often become subjected to is insanely high if you think about it. If the republic really lasted for 20.000 years, that is astonishing in and of itself. That would mean that one form of government existed about 3-4 times as long as the entirety of human civilization on earth did. And even after the fall, the Empire lasts only what? 20 years or so? Not even a blink of an eye in comparison.
So over all, I guess the Jedi and their way to "protect peace and justice in the galaxy" did exceptionally well.
And yes, I realize, I am contradicting my last post here but as Obiwan said: "You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 9, 2023 21:38:41 GMT
Exactly. It seems like a strong case for the belief that just because a code or dogma was good (or even perfect) 20,000 years or even 200 years in the past, doesn't mean it is fit for purpose 'now'. The Jedi became complacent and that allowed one psychopath - who I assume was initially elected to the Senate democratically - to gather an army and just take over. A new Jedi Order that bears only passing similarities to the one that failed sounds like it could actually be the way to go. Yeah, though to be honest, I think the meassure for "success" that the Jedi often become subjected to is insanely high if you think about it. If the republic really lasted for 20.000 years, that is astonishing in and of itself. That would mean that one form of government existed about 3-4 times as long as the entirety of human civilization on earth did. And even after the fall, the Empire lasts only what? 20 years or so? Not even a blink of an eye in comparison.
So over all, I guess the Jedi and their way to "protect peace and justice in the galaxy" did exceptionally well.
And yes, I realize, I am contradicting my last post here but as Obiwan said: "You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." Victims of their own sustained success? Yeah, I can buy that. And the Empire as a full-on, out and proud totalitarian regime was even less than 20 years. Survivor is set 10 years after Order 66 and Cal makes a comment about 'people still believing they're free'. My point was, their 'way' worked so long as the general rules were followed. When someone broke the mold, the Order and its code weren't as fit for purpose any longer. That doesn't mean the entirety of the 20,000 years gets cast aside. It just means that some things needed to change.
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