'Ugly characters?' thread

And would probably kill my framerate. My computer would most likely stay around 5-9 fps when they show her face.

True, you don't really need that much more graphics power to make good looking, detailed faces... they already used stuff life subsurface scattering and tessellation on faces in DAI, which you need to make that believable skin textures. That face seen earlier would be well within what the Frostbite engine can do...

OR devs could stop pushing politics into their games and stop playing glorified human rights activists so players could enjoy their games for what they are.

There's many ways of looking at it.

Tell me then, what good does it make? Do you pride yourself in making experiance for others worse? "Haha, now those straight males won't have anyone attractive to romance, good riddance!". Is that your mentality? Tell me how making females unattractive makes your experiance better. Straight males will want attractive females, lesbians will too and others won't romance them anyway, or at the very least they're not the target of such romances, so how does it affect them and why should target audiences suffer for it?

Their free to make their games as their wish, as players are free to choose to not buy their games anymore.
There is feedback going back and froth between the two sides, but ultimately, you'll have developers making games with things you don't like, and you can decide to not buy them.

Since this discussion only seem to go in circles, I will ask one thing.

Do you think that they are making the women ugly just to piss you off or for some "agenda"? Or is it possible that they are doing it because they think it is a smart marketing decision?

I see it like this: A company are making a decision depending of the market. If they thought "we will earn more money by making everybody a flying blob" they would do that.

So far I have not seen anything that point to an "agenda" to make hetero male suffer. All I can see is that in this forum there are a couple of people that is loudly saying that the females are ugly and that Bioware are catering to SJW. I have seen more people against this/ and neutral. All this have already been said a couple of times, so I will just have to hope that they reveal at least one female that you accept, so you wont feel like they are out to get you.

I don't want unattractive people in games. I like characters that look-good, whose character-designs are interesting, who have personality on their look and so on. Overwatch is good example, Blizzard really went for diversity with that one (of course there is always criticism etc, but overall it's very nice) and it worked out nicely. Attractive character to straight men doesn't necessarily have to be unappealing to others since as person playing the game you are supposed to experience all characters not just selection of them based on your gender and sexuality.

A characters can be well or badly written regardless of how diverse it is from a stereotype (which Bioware used and use often). Speaking as a general rule, expecially for Mass Effect were we got our share of alien characters, making characters 'diverse' helps making them not feel boring or repetitive.
As for appearance, I think DAI was in general a try to make characters look different in general. As it was already stated, we got not conventionally attractive characters like Bull, Solas, Blackwall,Cole. Dorian was an hit and a miss as well. 

Gender bending isn't diversity, it's a cheap cop out... but that's Blizzard, and - to be honest - no one ever accused them of being creative anyways.

BW characters have been a smorgasbord of imaginative writing in comparison.

Absolutely. I was just trying to point out it can be difficult to ignore the politics and enjoy a game for what it is if the game is consciously being made into a medium of said politics.
I think it's a shame since it ultimately draws attention away from the main narrative. Especially if the main narrative turns out to be great.

I don't see how alienating majority of potential costumers (hint: straight males) is a smart marketing decision. Not to mention it affects lesbians too, who had just as bad (if not worse, Sera has neither looks nor personality, while Cassandra is at least an interesting and well developed character), which is one of the main reasons why I'm not claiming they're doing it because of SJW agenda (at least not yet), but I definitely hold it as one of the possibilities.

Tell me again, how making females unattractive is supposed to broaden the market? Will straight males like it? Nope. Will lesbians like it? Nope. Should straight women and gay men care about how female LIs look like? Nope, because they're not the target of those LIs and chances of them doing those romances is very small. So tell me again, who's supposed to benefit from this? If you don't know the answer yet, I'll give it to you myself: retarded feminists (as in a group within feminists, not that they're all retarded) and SJWs. This is the only audience that will benefit from it.

You've seen more people against this/neutral because you probably only take this forum into consideration. If you went to youtube, subreddits other than /r/masseffect (although even there a comment on a post that hit front page saying Peebee looks "terrifyingly ugly" got 5 points) and other forums you'd realize that there are a lot of people sharing my view.