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Post by KrrKs on Sept 13, 2017 16:09:51 GMT
One of Tali's lines during the ME3 geth dreadnought mission (?) is also different, depending on whether she was the vent specialist or not.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 20, 2017 17:50:48 GMT
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Post by jukaga on Sept 20, 2017 22:17:27 GMT
Not exactly a little thing but...
The implications of the Prothean heroes that altered the keepers thereby giving the galaxy a reprieve got me thinking. It implies that the Reapers made attempt quite some time ago (around 100BC IIRC) to open the relay to harvest well before Humanity awakened to ME technology. If the Protheans had not done so, the Council races we all know would have been harvested and the cycle closed before we opened up the Charon relay. That means that we were never intended to be in the same cycle as the Asari and company. Humanity and the Yagh would have had most of those 50 thousand years to advance their technology, something the Council races never did. They had what, at most 4000 years of supremacy before Humanity showed up? At that time Sovereign had been active for a few centuries and was getting it's agents together for it's attempt.
Given that amount of time for humanity to expand Reaper free, it's not beyond the pale to suggest that the Terran navy, circa 48000 AD could have won a conventional victory over the Reapers. It looks like we were going to get an even earlier start than the Protheans did, essentially right after the Asari-era harvest.
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Post by Upggrade on Sept 20, 2017 23:44:43 GMT
Not exactly a little thing but... The implications of the Prothean heroes that altered the keepers thereby giving the galaxy a reprieve got me thinking. It implies that the Reapers made attempt quite some time ago (around 100BC IIRC) to open the relay to harvest well before Humanity awakened to ME technology. If the Protheans had not done so, the Council races we all know would have been harvested and the cycle closed before we opened up the Charon relay. That means that we were never intended to be in the same cycle as the Asari and company. Humanity and the Yagh would have had most of those 50 thousand years to advance their technology, something the Council races never did. They had what, at most 4000 years of supremacy before Humanity showed up? At that time Sovereign had been active for a few centuries and was getting it's agents together for it's attempt. Given that amount of time for humanity to expand Reaper free, it's not beyond the pale to suggest that the Terran navy, circa 48000 AD could have won a conventional victory over the Reapers. It looks like we were going to get an even earlier start than the Protheans did, essentially right after the Asari-era harvest. I've though about that as well. 50K is an absurd amount of time. The only answer I can come up with is that the reapers stick around after the harvest to make sure no one's close enough to space travel to have 48K years to advance. Consider that trinket you get from the consort in 1, the reapers were paying attention to Earth back in the caveman days. Although it's been a very long time so I might be remembering it wrong. But if they don't check, then some cycle definitely would have evolved with the timing you described and would have laughed in the reapers faces.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2017 4:04:32 GMT
Not exactly a little thing but... The implications of the Prothean heroes that altered the keepers thereby giving the galaxy a reprieve got me thinking. It implies that the Reapers made attempt quite some time ago (around 100BC IIRC) to open the relay to harvest well before Humanity awakened to ME technology. If the Protheans had not done so, the Council races we all know would have been harvested and the cycle closed before we opened up the Charon relay. That means that we were never intended to be in the same cycle as the Asari and company. Humanity and the Yagh would have had most of those 50 thousand years to advance their technology, something the Council races never did. They had what, at most 4000 years of supremacy before Humanity showed up? At that time Sovereign had been active for a few centuries and was getting it's agents together for it's attempt. Given that amount of time for humanity to expand Reaper free, it's not beyond the pale to suggest that the Terran navy, circa 48000 AD could have won a conventional victory over the Reapers. It looks like we were going to get an even earlier start than the Protheans did, essentially right after the Asari-era harvest. I've though about that as well. 50K is an absurd amount of time. The only answer I can come up with is that the reapers stick around after the harvest to make sure no one's close enough to space travel to have 48K years to advance. Consider that trinket you get from the consort in 1, the reapers were paying attention to Earth back in the caveman days. Although it's been a very long time so I might be remembering it wrong. But if they don't check, then some cycle definitely would have evolved with the timing you described and would have laughed in the reapers faces. The Protheans were paying attention to Earth, not the Reapers. A Prothean sphere was found, the trinket fit into a slot in it, and we learned that the Protheans had been coming to Earth since we were "living in caves" (though we really never did). All confirmed in ME3. As to the point jukaga was trying to make, I really don't see it. There was no specific intent for when humans were "supposed" to arise. When they found the tech, they started using it and then became part of galactic society. No one delivered that tech into human hands. We simply found it. Sure, the Protheans left it on Mars, but they were also proven to have visited the turians, hanar, asari and salarians. They were stacking the deck without question but all five of those races were in their infancy when the Protheans were active. The asari was in space ahead of the rest of the races but the Protheans seemed to have designed them to be smarter (conjecture on my part) and definitely left tech on Thessia rather than a nearby planet. That gave them a boost other races didn't get. Beyond that, the Protheans expected to go into stasis and awaken to take command of these races they had nurtured. Also, there is no suggestion that the Reapers attempted to harvest anything a mere 2300 years ago. First attempt we're aware of came in 2183, though Sovereign was around at least since 2165 (time of ME: Revelation). The keepers were altered something like 50,000 years ago. However, the Reapers were unaware of this until Sovereign attempted to send a signal to them that they failed to respond to, which was in the 2180's, though somewhere between events of the novel and ME1. That's when they recruited the geth heretics, who came on the scene in 2183.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 21, 2017 11:05:56 GMT
Not exactly a little thing but... The implications of the Prothean heroes that altered the keepers thereby giving the galaxy a reprieve got me thinking. It implies that the Reapers made attempt quite some time ago (around 100BC IIRC) to open the relay to harvest well before Humanity awakened to ME technology. If the Protheans had not done so, the Council races we all know would have been harvested and the cycle closed before we opened up the Charon relay. That means that we were never intended to be in the same cycle as the Asari and company. Humanity and the Yagh would have had most of those 50 thousand years to advance their technology, something the Council races never did. They had what, at most 4000 years of supremacy before Humanity showed up? At that time Sovereign had been active for a few centuries and was getting it's agents together for it's attempt. Given that amount of time for humanity to expand Reaper free, it's not beyond the pale to suggest that the Terran navy, circa 48000 AD could have won a conventional victory over the Reapers. It looks like we were going to get an even earlier start than the Protheans did, essentially right after the Asari-era harvest. If that happen, how many ships would have been needed to defeat the reapers? Why would they have that many to begin with? Did they know about the reapers to build so many ships? If humanity occupies the Citadel, whoever is living on the Citadel would be dead before they knew what was going on since the signal was never altered.
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Post by jukaga on Sept 21, 2017 16:40:16 GMT
Also, there is no suggestion that the Reapers attempted to harvest anything a mere 2300 years ago. First attempt we're aware of came in 2183, though Sovereign was around at least since 2165 (time of ME: Revelation). The keepers were altered something like 50,000 years ago. However, the Reapers were unaware of this until Sovereign attempted to send a signal to them that they failed to respond to, which was in the 2180's, though somewhere between events of the novel and ME1. That's when they recruited the geth heretics, who came on the scene in 2183. Vigil mentions the Reapers trying to open the Citadel, but the altered keepers prevented them from doing so. This coincided with the Rachni Wars which would put them at around 100 BC, IIRC. And I didn't mean intended like there was some master plan, it was a figure of speech. Had the Protheans not altered the keepers we would have been spared this cycle's harvest as our highest technology at the time was alloying metals.
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Post by jukaga on Sept 21, 2017 16:44:45 GMT
Not exactly a little thing but... The implications of the Prothean heroes that altered the keepers thereby giving the galaxy a reprieve got me thinking. It implies that the Reapers made attempt quite some time ago (around 100BC IIRC) to open the relay to harvest well before Humanity awakened to ME technology. If the Protheans had not done so, the Council races we all know would have been harvested and the cycle closed before we opened up the Charon relay. That means that we were never intended to be in the same cycle as the Asari and company. Humanity and the Yagh would have had most of those 50 thousand years to advance their technology, something the Council races never did. They had what, at most 4000 years of supremacy before Humanity showed up? At that time Sovereign had been active for a few centuries and was getting it's agents together for it's attempt. Given that amount of time for humanity to expand Reaper free, it's not beyond the pale to suggest that the Terran navy, circa 48000 AD could have won a conventional victory over the Reapers. It looks like we were going to get an even earlier start than the Protheans did, essentially right after the Asari-era harvest. If that happen, how many ships would have been needed to defeat the reapers? Why would they have that many to begin with? Did they know about the reapers to build so many ships? If humanity occupies the Citadel, whoever is living on the Citadel would be dead before they knew what was going on since the signal was never altered. Who knows? Say there are 20,000 Reapers. Sounds like a lot, no? Not really. Just policing a galaxy wide Empire would require a massive fleet, much larger than 20 000. Disassemble a single small planet and you'd have enough materials to build millions of Dreadnoughts. If they had 48000 years to play with, who knows what could happen in terms of technology or discovery of the Reaper's plans? It's all conjecture and a writer could still have the Reapers win if they take out the Relay network and isolate the fleets as they did the Protheans. I get the impression that if the Protheans hadn't been hobbled by the loss of the Citadel and relay network they were capable of winning a conventional victory as well.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2017 17:39:34 GMT
Also, there is no suggestion that the Reapers attempted to harvest anything a mere 2300 years ago. First attempt we're aware of came in 2183, though Sovereign was around at least since 2165 (time of ME: Revelation). The keepers were altered something like 50,000 years ago. However, the Reapers were unaware of this until Sovereign attempted to send a signal to them that they failed to respond to, which was in the 2180's, though somewhere between events of the novel and ME1. That's when they recruited the geth heretics, who came on the scene in 2183. Vigil mentions the Reapers trying to open the Citadel, but the altered keepers prevented them from doing so. This coincided with the Rachni Wars which would put them at around 100 BC, IIRC. And I didn't mean intended like there was some master plan, it was a figure of speech. Had the Protheans not altered the keepers we would have been spared this cycle's harvest as our highest technology at the time was alloying metals. Well, it's debatable the Reapers were involved with the rachni until 2186. Bryson had theorized that the Leviathan had been controlling the rachni in an attempt to create an army to use against the Reapers. Even so, I just re-watched the entire Vigil conversation and I'm not all that clear on any dates for the Reapers trying to return.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 21, 2017 18:26:18 GMT
Who knows? Say there are 20,000 Reapers. Sounds like a lot, no? Not really. Just policing a galaxy wide Empire would require a massive fleet, much larger than 20 000. Disassemble a single small planet and you'd have enough materials to build millions of Dreadnoughts. If they had 48000 years to play with, who knows what could happen in terms of technology or discovery of the Reaper's plans? It's all conjecture and a writer could still have the Reapers win if they take out the Relay network and isolate the fleets as they did the Protheans. I get the impression that if the Protheans hadn't been hobbled by the loss of the Citadel and relay network they were capable of winning a conventional victory as well. The number of reapers is possible, though that would be up to Bioware what the number is. Here's something I've posted a few times about the number of reapers at the start of this cycle. The reapers have a lot. I would also include processing ships and troop transport ships. The scene showing the reapers approaching the Milky Way, after the suicide mission, shows what looks to be processing ships and troop transport ships along with other reaper ships Casey Hudson or Patrick Weekes said that only a few destroyers are lost each cycle while one capital ship is lost every few cycles. I will use the number 3 to represent few. That means that 6 667 capitals ships have been destroyed if I use the 50 000 year cycle over 1 billion years and 60 000 destroyers are destroyed in the last 1 billion years. So when the reapers arrive at the beginning of our cycle they have about 13 333 capital ships plus destroyers, processing ships and troop transport ships Of course I have no idea how long the 50 000 year cycle has been happening. Leviathan mentions that the intelligence directed the reapers to build the relays so the number from above most likely would be lower. If the reapers have been around longer than 1 billion years, then the number above most likely would be higher. At the moment its just guessing until Bioware says how long the 50 000 year cycle has been happening I will add that the number of destroyers would be very high. Lets say they build 5 destroyers after each harvest, and using the number from above, there would be about 66 000 destroyers at the start of the cycle. Either way, the reapers win by numbers alone. They also can one-shot any council ship whereas the council species need more than one shot to damage or even destroy a reaper. As far as Protheans winning conventionally? Not a chance. I do believe they would have defeated the reapers if they were able to use the relays like we can in this cycle and the crucible project wasn't sabotaged. What about finding any information about the reapers? They can though what did they find that would have them build x number of ships to deal with the reapers. How do they know they built enough to defeat the reapers?
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2017 18:37:43 GMT
themikefest: More to the point, what makes anyone thing that a civilization would believe in the Reapers after 48,000 years? How many beliefs from 50,000 years ago exist now? 10,000 years ago? 2,000 years ago? (This we've got some stuff but even that it sketchy.) Even assuming anyone maintained any kind of archival system for that long, by just 20,000 years I'd have to assume people would be like "our primitive ancestors was fools to believe what's obviously a prank" or even "this is a prank an ancestors are playing on us". And convincing people to maintain that kind of massive fleet would be insane. So, beyond that, Sovereign saw awakens periodically to check things out and see if it's time to harvest. If humans and yahg were major spacefaring races, it sounds like the Reapers would return sooner. Thus, humans wouldn't have 48,000 years to build up this naval force.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 21, 2017 18:57:24 GMT
So, beyond that, Sovereign saw awakens periodically to check things out and see if it's time to harvest. If humans and yahg were major spacefaring races, it sounds like the Reapers would return sooner. Thus, humans wouldn't have 48,000 years to build up this naval force. That would be interesting if that were to have happened. How large of a fleet would it take for Sovereign to call in the troops? I doubt it ever happened in previous cycles. Only Bioware can answer that.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Sept 21, 2017 19:31:06 GMT
Not exactly a little thing but... The implications of the Prothean heroes that altered the keepers thereby giving the galaxy a reprieve got me thinking. It implies that the Reapers made attempt quite some time ago (around 100BC IIRC) to open the relay to harvest well before Humanity awakened to ME technology. If the Protheans had not done so, the Council races we all know would have been harvested and the cycle closed before we opened up the Charon relay. That means that we were never intended to be in the same cycle as the Asari and company. Humanity and the Yagh would have had most of those 50 thousand years to advance their technology, something the Council races never did. They had what, at most 4000 years of supremacy before Humanity showed up? At that time Sovereign had been active for a few centuries and was getting it's agents together for it's attempt. Given that amount of time for humanity to expand Reaper free, it's not beyond the pale to suggest that the Terran navy, circa 48000 AD could have won a conventional victory over the Reapers. It looks like we were going to get an even earlier start than the Protheans did, essentially right after the Asari-era harvest. I've though about that as well. 50K is an absurd amount of time. The only answer I can come up with is that the reapers stick around after the harvest to make sure no one's close enough to space travel to have 48K years to advance. Consider that trinket you get from the consort in 1, the reapers were paying attention to Earth back in the caveman days. Although it's been a very long time so I might be remembering it wrong. But if they don't check, then some cycle definitely would have evolved with the timing you described and would have laughed in the reapers faces. Totally offtopic BUT I JUST NOW DISCOVERED / remembered that we got a trinket from her. Never read it. Instantly forget it, rushing to bed with her. Whoops.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 23, 2017 7:21:19 GMT
I'm playing ME3 with EGM and talked to Dominic Osoba with his son's dogtags and saw a longer heartbreaking scene with him....
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Post by aoibhealfae on Sept 25, 2017 18:42:41 GMT
"You got what you wanted. Maybe you're just a machine after all." O_O Didn't expect choosing to trust Legion at first, would have an effect to the dialogue branch.
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Post by obbie1984 on Sept 27, 2017 6:39:34 GMT
"You got what you wanted. Maybe you're just a machine after all." O_O Didn't expect choosing to trust Legion at first, would have an effect to the dialogue branch. If your character is a renegade, I believe what Shepard says is different there as well. Something about everyone gaming the system and using the war as an excuse to get what they want. I thought that was pretty cool.
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Post by flaine1996 on Oct 27, 2017 12:34:26 GMT
"You got what you wanted. Maybe you're just a machine after all." O_O Didn't expect choosing to trust Legion at first, would have an effect to the dialogue branch. If your character is a renegade, I believe what Shepard says is different there as well. Something about everyone gaming the system and using the war as an excuse to get what they want. I thought that was pretty cool. Also if you actually trust legion here and then go to rannoch and legion talks about him being upgraded with reaper tech if you choose renegade dialogue shep can be exasperated that once again legion lied to shep and is making lives harder for geth all around.... i really love how the dialogue in Me3 is so nuance and it flows consistently with what youve chosen before...
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Post by themikefest on Oct 27, 2017 17:02:47 GMT
In ME2 5 characters are mandatory, Garrus, Mordin, Jack, Jacob and Miranda. None are a tech. Tali, Legion or Kasumi have to be recruited for the vent. Its no big deal, but it was something I just noticed when I was looking at the chart for the suicide mission.
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I just discovered that I could talk to Captain Matsuo in Port Hanshan in ME1 and ask about her private life and discuss why Shepard was promoted to a Spectre. This is really a surprise as Noveria is my favorite place in game and I thought I already knew everything. Seventh playtrough, still surprises me.
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Post by nougat on Oct 28, 2017 8:10:28 GMT
I just discovered that I could talk to Captain Matsuo in Port Hanshan in ME1 and ask about her private life and discuss why Shepard was promoted to a Spectre. This is really a surprise as Noveria is my favorite place in game and I thought I already knew everything. Seventh playtrough, still surprises me. Shepard can also talk to her after breaking into Synthetic Insights and after exposing Administrator Anoleis (if Shepard takes that route).
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Post by thelonelypoet on Oct 30, 2017 20:45:36 GMT
I just discovered that I could talk to Captain Matsuo in Port Hanshan in ME1 and ask about her private life and discuss why Shepard was promoted to a Spectre. This is really a surprise as Noveria is my favorite place in game and I thought I already knew everything. Seventh playtrough, still surprises me. Shepard can also talk to her after breaking into Synthetic Insights and after exposing Administrator Anoleis (if Shepard takes that route). Yes, I discovered those too and was more blown away. So sad they did not have this much writing (or it felt like it) in the following games. Even a side characters in ME1 feels very liveable.
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Post by nougat on Nov 14, 2017 14:42:39 GMT
It kind of grated on my ear when I heard Javik calling Shepard by their name. If I'm not mistaken, Javik does it only once (twice) through the entire game, during the rachni mission. I find it odd and frankly out of character. Those cords, Shepard. Reaper technology. Blocked, Shepard.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 21, 2017 18:52:22 GMT
I'm at the Silver Coast Casino for the Citadel dlc infiltration mission. I touch the waterfall. A message says not to. I touch it again. I'm told not to do so again. I touch it again and it says "Fine. You know what? That's a hanar urinal. Knock yourself out."
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Post by thelonelypoet on Nov 27, 2017 6:39:42 GMT
Seems that I'll be writing here for the rest of my life. This is my seventh or eight PT and I just discovered that I could speak to Avina about social justice and issues like poorness in ME2 Citadel, in a warehouse floor. I also had a dialogue with Thane I never had before in the same Avina discussion. Also in the same floor Kasumi comments about how she loves the ramen what her grandmother always made.
So. Much. Writing. And. Voice work. Incredible.
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