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Post by colfoley on Dec 3, 2016 1:43:51 GMT
Except because Soverign, who was the one who would have been able to do this. Was trying to open the Citadel relay to dark space. Hence even if he did have an agent he wouldn't have used it because wasting time trying to sabatage the ark wouldn't have helped him open the relay. Agents. Not one agent. Many. In many places. More than one. Multi-tasking. Vishantae Kaffas. It wouldn't matter if he had ten trillion agents his primary, and only objective in ME 1 was to open the Citadel Relay. Any of his agents he would have had would have been deployed towards that end.
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Post by bshep on Dec 3, 2016 1:45:16 GMT
Except because Soverign, who was the one who would have been able to do this. Was trying to open the Citadel relay to dark space. Hence even if he did have an agent he wouldn't have used it because wasting time trying to sabatage the ark wouldn't have helped him open the relay. Agents. Not one agent. Many. In many places. More than one. Multi-tasking. Now that is far fetched... You keep assuming that the Reapers can't make any mistakes when the games show again and again that they make them from time to time. The crucible plan was a mistake from their part, so was the Illos researchers, so was Javik, so was the Leviathans.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:45:47 GMT
Agents. Not one agent. Many. In many places. More than one. Multi-tasking. Vishantae Kaffas. It wouldn't matter if he had ten trillion agents his primary, and only objective in ME 1 was to open the Citadel Relay. Any of his agents he would have had would have been deployed towards that end. Why? If something went wrong it would be logical to have agents set aside to do what needs to be done. Just as with the Collectors.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:47:20 GMT
Why not just in case something goes wrong? And I though it was established that for the last millions(or billions) of years nothing went wrong for them? And sovereign would've done something about it earlier anyway, not when it's already almost finished. Sovereign and Harbinger definitey covered their bases. I never said nothing went wrong, I said the Reapers were still able to overcome difficulties and win out time after time after time. That's from the game, not me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 3, 2016 1:48:36 GMT
Considering ME2 and ME3, yeah they did. If it weren't for the literal deus ex machina at the end of ME3, they'd have won. They would've won if Bioware didn't make them stupid in ME3. Once they entered the Milky Way, they won. They win by numbers alone. In order for the galaxy to defeat the reapers, the plans for the device needed to be found, have the device built and used before the reapers enter the galaxy. Yeah, realistically instead of attacking Earth the entire Reaper armada would have launched a blitzkrieg on the Citadel and claimed it, locking down the Mass Relay Array and guaranteeing victory. The only reason they didn't was because we wouldn't have had a game to play then.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:49:20 GMT
Agents. Not one agent. Many. In many places. More than one. Multi-tasking. Now that is far fetched... You keep assuming that the Reapers can't make any mistakes when the games show again and again that they make them from time to time. The crucible plan was a mistake from their part, so was the Illos researchers, so was Javik, so was the Leviathans. I didn't say they never made mistakes. But per the games, they wiped out race after race for billions of years. So, obviously, even with flaws, they were still able to achieve what they wanted at the end of each cycle. Heck, there's evidence of Reapers even being killed. Scant, but it's there. Yet they still prevailed time after time. According to the games.
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:49:26 GMT
And I though it was established that for the last millions(or billions) of years nothing went wrong for them? And sovereign would've done something about it earlier anyway, not when it's already almost finished. Sovereign and Harbinger definitey covered their bases. I never said nothing went wrong, I said the Reapers were still able to overcome difficulties and win out time after time after time. That's from the game, not me. Yea, but they never expected that their main way into the galaxy would be blocked by the last civilization they wiped.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 3, 2016 1:50:36 GMT
Vishantae Kaffas. It wouldn't matter if he had ten trillion agents his primary, and only objective in ME 1 was to open the Citadel Relay. Any of his agents he would have had would have been deployed towards that end. Why? If something went wrong it would be logical to have agents set aside to do what needs to be done. Just as with the Collectors. Actually the collectors are a part of this problem too. given the Reapers had them as a backup to try and open the Relay, most likely, and then after that failed they had the ability to just fly into the Milky Way. So three ways into our galaxy. That was their primary objective, getting into the galaxy. Everything else, in thier...correct minds...could have waited because no one really could have stopped them when they entered.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:51:11 GMT
Sovereign and Harbinger definitey covered their bases. I never said nothing went wrong, I said the Reapers were still able to overcome difficulties and win out time after time after time. That's from the game, not me. Yea, but they never expected that their main way into the galaxy would be blocked by the last civilization they wiped. Again, it was no large obstacle to overcome, since they came in a couple years later and almost won.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 3, 2016 1:52:10 GMT
This was way more interesting than the first one.
I am so here for the head engineer of the project being a female krogan!
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Post by themikefest on Dec 3, 2016 1:53:07 GMT
Yeah, realistically instead of attacking Earth the entire Reaper armada would have launched a blitzkrieg on the Citadel and claimed it, locking down the Mass Relay Array and guaranteeing victory. The only reason they didn't was because we wouldn't have had a game to play then. They could do that. Just post a hundred capital ships outside the Citadel, if the arms are closed, to prevent any ships from entering or leaving the Citadel. The rest head to Sol. The reapers post another hundred capital ships at the relay. The rest head to Earth to start the harvest. Repeat for the other systems.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 3, 2016 1:53:26 GMT
Sovereign and Harbinger definitey covered their bases. I never said nothing went wrong, I said the Reapers were still able to overcome difficulties and win out time after time after time. That's from the game, not me. Yea, but they never expected that their main way into the galaxy would be blocked by the last civilization they wiped. They kinda did. Otherwise why bother with the Alpha Relay?
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Post by bshep on Dec 3, 2016 1:54:59 GMT
Now that is far fetched... You keep assuming that the Reapers can't make any mistakes when the games show again and again that they make them from time to time. The crucible plan was a mistake from their part, so was the Illos researchers, so was Javik, so was the Leviathans. I didn't say they never made mistakes. But per the games, they wiped out race after race for billions of years. So, obviously, even with flaws, they were still able to achieve what they wanted at the end of each cycle. Heck, there's evidence of Reapers even being killed. Scant, but it's there. Yet they still prevailed time after time. According to the games. Yes but that stopped in the moment they lost their biggest advantage: Control of the Citadel and the whole Mass Relay network. Without it the Alliance and Hegemony forces had enough time to finish the Crucible.
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:56:41 GMT
Yea, but they never expected that their main way into the galaxy would be blocked by the last civilization they wiped. Again, it was no large obstacle to overcome, since they came in a couple years later and almost won. That may be true, but it gave enough time for the AI project to launch
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Post by bshep on Dec 3, 2016 1:56:58 GMT
Yea, but they never expected that their main way into the galaxy would be blocked by the last civilization they wiped. They kinda did. Otherwise why bother with the Alpha Relay? Second plan in case the main one failed...
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:57:43 GMT
Again, it was no large obstacle to overcome, since they came in a couple years later and almost won. That may be true, but it gave enough time for the AI project to launch Again, that's all nonsensical since prevention of this project launch doesn't require the presence of any Reaper.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 3, 2016 1:59:21 GMT
That may be true, but it gave enough time for the AI project to launch Again, that's all nonsensical since prevention of this project launch doesn't require the presence of any Reaper. Sure but it would have made it infinitely easier.
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 2:00:09 GMT
That may be true, but it gave enough time for the AI project to launch Again, that's all nonsensical since prevention of this project launch doesn't require the presence of any Reaper. And again, that's assuming the directors of the project would be indoctrinated.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 3, 2016 2:02:24 GMT
Yes but that stopped in the moment they lost their biggest advantage: Control of the Citadel and the whole Mass Relay network. Without it the Alliance and Hegemony forces had enough time to finish the Crucible. Why? They never needed control of the relays. Just post a number of capital ships at the relay preventing any ships from entering or leaving the system. They have the numbers to do that. They guard the relay, the crucible never gets to Earth. If they guard the relay that's in the system the crucible is being built, it most likely never gets built since the reapers would fire on any ship near the relay.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 2:02:34 GMT
Again, that's all nonsensical since prevention of this project launch doesn't require the presence of any Reaper. And again, that's assuming the directors of the project would be indoctrinated. No, even that's not necessary. There would be a wide variety of ways a project could be scuttled. Merely indoctrinate anyone funding the project. Or politicians to oppose the project. Or engineers to slip in design flaws. On and on are the options. But it's entirely plausible. Because prevention of the launch of this project would have been a high Reaper priority.
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Dozens of pages arguing about lore and technical limitations and here we go Deal with it, haters. Static charge is now used as power source, genius solution. P.s. "Parcero" Salarian or turian? Very interesting solution to the static charge build up problem. So the Arks are 1.5km longer. Smaller than some people thought in another thread, that also means the Nexus is smaller too. Speaking of it, anyone else find suspicious that the Nexus is leaving half build? Pacero is a spanish word...strange. Haha! Not only that, this is like naming it "Ark Dude", "Ark Bro", or "Ark Homie". I realize this has likely been addressed by now, but I'm way back on page 1, people. Also, Ahriman, I'm going with salarian. They have some worlds that feature names that sound Italian, Spanish, etc... whereas the turians' names sound more like straight Latin derivatives.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 2:04:15 GMT
Again, that's all nonsensical since prevention of this project launch doesn't require the presence of any Reaper. Sure but it would have made it infinitely easier. Infinitely? Not hardly. Again, indoctrination wasn't something easily guarded against nor were any governments or organizations really even aware of the problem or took it seriously in this time period.
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 2:05:30 GMT
And again, that's assuming the directors of the project would be indoctrinated. No, even that's not necessary. There would be a wide variety of ways a project could be scuttled. Merely indoctrinate anyone funding the project. Or politicians to oppose the project. Or engineers to slip in design flaws. On and on are the options. But it's entirely plausible. Because prevention of the launch of this project would have been a high Reaper priority. You're assuming that everybody important in the damn galaxy is indoctrinated, we went over this, they aren't because the reapers didn't need to indoctrinate everyone, because they always had their extinctions done one way or the other. They don't have time, or the man power to just indoctrinate every important person in the galaxy in just two years.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 2:10:22 GMT
No, even that's not necessary. There would be a wide variety of ways a project could be scuttled. Merely indoctrinate anyone funding the project. Or politicians to oppose the project. Or engineers to slip in design flaws. On and on are the options. But it's entirely plausible. Because prevention of the launch of this project would have been a high Reaper priority. You're assuming that everybody important in the damn galaxy is indoctrinated, we went over this, they aren't because the reapers didn't need to indoctrinate everyone, because they always had their extinctions done one way or the other. No, I'm not assuming everyone in the galaxy is indoctrinated and I've never once said or implied this. What I said was it would be easy to indoctrinate a few persons and for those few persons to do a lot of damage. Indoctrination was a common technique used by the Reapers. Why are you acting like this was some difficult process for them or like they were incapable of having indoctrinated agents in place to handle various scenarios? None of this is even remotely implausible. The Reapers indoctrinated the remnants of an entire race and had them doing their bidding for 50,000 years... not even counting the Keepers.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 3, 2016 2:10:34 GMT
Sure but it would have made it infinitely easier. Infinitely? Not hardly. Again, indoctrination wasn't something easily guarded against nor were any governments or organizations really even aware of the problem or took it seriously in this time period. And given Reaper objectives at the time it would have made zero sense to use their agents towards sabotaging the arc.
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