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Post by thelonelypoet on Dec 15, 2016 11:47:26 GMT
I loved this briefing more than those early trailers. Very 'Mass Effecty' - something I realized I needed.
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 15, 2016 12:42:39 GMT
"Maybe"? Sorry, "maybe" is not good enough. Because "maybe" the Reapers get their information from a clairvoyant unicorn. Prove that's impossible! That would actually suffice, technically. If a solution is not impossible then you can't claim a contradiction. However, I am happy to amend the requirement to credible. To be clear, I'm not one of those trying to hand-wave contradictions as artistic license (although, I'm not averse to doing so), I just don't see any contradictions. Personally I find the arguments being used to claim a conflict with existing lore or logic are the arguments that are not credible. There is no 'anywhere else'. The Reapers are just comm buoys themselves, essentially! Well, there you go, you just proved my point. This isn't an issue with the existence of the ODSY drive. If all you needed to do was hide somewhere then you can already do that with the previous tech. Some actually succeeded in doing that (i.e. Ilos, Javik, etc.) but the Reapers must have contingencies to make that non-viable in the majority of cases. They spend centuries systematically sweeping the Galaxy for people trying to hide and I don't see the space between clusters or off the known relay network as being any more safe from that than anywhere else. The existence of the ODSY tech changes nothing, and I don't think they'd even have the time and resources to build a ship big enough to use it once the Reapers attack. Why would the races think it's worth diverting time and resources away from building the crucible when for every day that the Reapers go unchecked at least as many people die in the war than could ever be saved by the ship they're building!
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Post by Iakus on Dec 15, 2016 14:24:29 GMT
There is no 'anywhere else'. The Reapers are just comm buoys themselves, essentially! Huh? The Reapers hang out in the galaxy for centuries. Most ships would likely run out of power or fall apart in that time. The ODSY tech changes everything. With it, you can reach worlds previously unreachable. It should have triggered a new Age of Exploration in the galaxy, even without knowledge of the Reapers! And one company apparently had time to build FOUR such ships before the Reapers arrived (plus a Nexus).
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Post by ssanyesz on Dec 15, 2016 21:01:19 GMT
To take a wild guess, I'm going to say that the AI has some fingers in pies that can get hold of the Sovereign 'autopsy' report, and thus with one bound the final piece of the puzzle for getting to Andromeda was solved. After all, even the Reapers must've found a way to recycle their static charge as they're capable of making a conventional journey from Dark Space to the MW between ME2 and ME3. Either that or 'Prothean tech!' will be the answer. If we cast our minds back to earlier info, the AI was reputed to have started in 2176, so only 9 years from flash to bang. Given that a private venture (in the ME-verse) can seemingly go from guerrilla/terrorist outfit to having their own navy in around 4 years, the building of the Arks and the Nexus isn't such a stretch of the imagination. Or some Asari help the AI project, they had some insights about Reapers/Protheans they just kept the knowledge to themselves, so maybe some knew that they has to escape from the milky way, those blues are sneaky ones.
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Post by ssanyesz on Dec 15, 2016 21:39:23 GMT
Not usually one to be too negative about upcoming games based on the little information available, but I'm a little disappointed with this. I can forgive Bioware getting round previous lore limitations regarding long distance travel. Just make a new type of drive, or whatever. But I don't really like the idea of a new Citadel. The Citadel was this huge mysterious thing in the original Trilogy and whole plot centered on it. If we are leaving the Milky Way behind, we should be leaving the Citadel behind, not just bring a new one with us. Seriously, couldn't they have just come up with something new? I'd hoped the Nexus would be for a more utilitarian purpose, for instance generating a space magix corridor for the arks to travel through or something. Perhaps they could have even found this thing had traveled from Andromeda, giving them a convenient tech excuse and provided a good reason to go and check out the next galaxy. But this just smacks of a reboot rather than a new chapter. Gargh. I'm sure the game will be good. Possibly even amazing. But I'll have to play it trying to forget about everything that happened in the previous ones. The video said it's inspired by the Citadel, it is a space station, probably not built with reaper tech like the Citadel, and has no mass relay, again, probably. Or the inner big ring is going to be the mass relay to the Milky Way Galaxy. We don't know yet. The exterior design shows some similarities, but i think everyting interior will be different and new, at least that is the feeling they will be giving i hope. But this briefing video was made excelenty, if all the game content and gameplay and story will have this level of quality, i won't have a bad word.
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 16, 2016 14:56:23 GMT
There is no 'anywhere else'. The Reapers are just comm buoys themselves, essentially! Huh? You said that anywhere other than point to point (i.e. not part of the buoy's network) would be limited to light speed. I was using the buoys as an example of FTL comms but I would expect the Reapers to have their own FTL comms network. Whatever sensors the Reapers might scatter throughout the Galaxy (and I'd assume the Relays would be part of that anyway) would be able to have point to point communication with the Reapers. So there's no need to rely on light speed for any of the communication. My opinion is that there is zero reason for anyone to be exploring off of the relay network. It would take millennia to explore all of the clusters that are already within reach of the relay network so what possible incentive would there be to spend extra money and resources exploring less accessible areas? The fact that the areas are harder to get to doesn't make them intrinsically more valuable places to explore. The ODSY drive is quite possibly only workable if the drive is massive (that is part of the description in the briefing, after all). That makes it 'prohibitively expensive' for any normal kind of use. To want to use such a thing for exploration you'd need a very good reason to believe that where you are exploring will yield much better opportunities than some other unexplored system in a cluster that doesn't need the ODSY drive to get to. The ODSY drive would make travel more convenient in that you wouldn't need to keep stopping and starting but I believe it's potential usefulness would not justify the cost. Even the AI wouldn't make sense economically (unless there's some hidden treasure in Andromeda we don't know about), it can be justified only in the sense of expanding man's knowledge and horizons by going further than ever before. A great adventure. I don't consider heading off into some hitherto inaccessible cluster of the MW anywhere near comparable from the pioneering point of view. So, I can see the initiative being all over the news for a few weeks surrounding it's launch and the ODSY drive would probably feature in the odd science journal article. Maybe in years to come they'll find ways to make it work in smaller ships or come up with more applications for it but I have no problem with it not being all over the news channels during ME2 and 3. As far as the time taken is concerned, they built and planned for the four ships and the Nexus over a period of ten years. Admittedly part of that time would have been in planning and developing the tech rather than building the ships but I doubt that the process was that quick. I reckon it would take a comparable amount of time and resources to rush the building of an Ark as it does to build the Crucible. However long it takes, every day extra that it takes to build the crucible because they are building an Ark is another day of casualties that could have been avoided and since every day of casualties is probably at least an ark's worth of people that could be saved it hardly seems like a worthwhile or sensible use of time and resources!
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Post by dalinne on Dec 27, 2016 12:00:33 GMT
So... the next briefing will be about the Nomad and the Tempest, won't be? Jien Garson's briefing: 1) Nexus and Arks (checked) (around the 7 of December I recall?) 2) Ships and Ground Vehicles (maybe around the 7 or 9 of January) 3)Colony Guide (maybe around the 7 to 9 of February) 4)First Contact Protocol (7-9 March) + 5) "In addition, the ones accepted in Pathfinder program will receive special trainning in guns and biotics" (so maybe a couple of weeks later, the ending of march? The same way we have the mini trailer with dad Ryder)
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 27, 2016 18:31:52 GMT
Watching that video makes me thing the AI is in response to the Reapers. If there were believers out there who thought that the Reapers might wipe out the known Milky Way races, leaving for Andromeda makes a lot of sense. Definitely a new future for humanity.
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Post by Muddy Boots on Dec 29, 2016 17:04:16 GMT
Watching that video makes me thing the AI is in response to the Reapers. If there were believers out there who thought that the Reapers might wipe out the known Milky Way races, leaving for Andromeda makes a lot of sense. Definitely a new future for humanity. I agree with you on the reasoning. Just because most people, including the Council, didn't believe in a Reaper threat, doesn't mean others would have ignored it. They probably would have been labeled something like "conspiracy theorist" or "preppers" or some 22nd century equivalent. I bet more than a few people aboard the arks were at least factoring the potential Reaper threat as a factor in their decision to take that one-way trip.
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 29, 2016 18:35:28 GMT
Watching that video makes me thing the AI is in response to the Reapers. If there were believers out there who thought that the Reapers might wipe out the known Milky Way races, leaving for Andromeda makes a lot of sense. Definitely a new future for humanity. I agree with you on the reasoning. Just because most people, including the Council, didn't believe in a Reaper threat, doesn't mean others would have ignored it. They probably would have been labeled something like "conspiracy theorist" or "preppers" or some 22nd century equivalent. I bet more than a few people aboard the arks were at least factoring the potential Reaper threat as a factor in their decision to take that one-way trip. The Reapers were the main antagonists of Shepard's story. Shepard's story is over and Andromeda is a new story. It makes zero sense to mention the Reapers in MEA as they are irrelevant. They've already been beaten and that story's been done. It would just confuse players new to the series with references to another game's antagonist which will have no place in the new game. Look at all the tweets and references to SpaceX we've been getting from Bioware. Look at the marketing so far. It's quite clear that this expedition is about pioneering, exploration and expanding horizons. For ten years Jien Garson has been working towards this dream to visit and explore a new Galaxy. Nine years of which was in blissful ignorance of the Reapers. I'd be surprised if there was any reference to the Reapers at all in MEA.
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Post by Muddy Boots on Dec 29, 2016 20:04:20 GMT
I agree with you on the reasoning. Just because most people, including the Council, didn't believe in a Reaper threat, doesn't mean others would have ignored it. They probably would have been labeled something like "conspiracy theorist" or "preppers" or some 22nd century equivalent. I bet more than a few people aboard the arks were at least factoring the potential Reaper threat as a factor in their decision to take that one-way trip. The Reapers were the main antagonists of Shepard's story. Shepard's story is over and Andromeda is a new story. It makes zero sense to mention the Reapers in MEA as they are irrelevant. They've already been beaten and that story's been done. It would just confuse players new to the series with references to another game's antagonist which will have no place in the new game. Look at all the tweets and references to SpaceX we've been getting from Bioware. Look at the marketing so far. It's quite clear that this expedition is about pioneering, exploration and expanding horizons. For ten years Jien Garson has been working towards this dream to visit and explore a new Galaxy. Nine years of which was in blissful ignorance of the Reapers. I'd be surprised if there was any reference to the Reapers at all in MEA. I understand what you're saying, but Shepard's story wasn't over at the time of launching the initiative. Shepard was very much alive and trying to convince allies of the threat at the time the initiative would have been recruiting. That in itself could give some people motivation for wanting to hedge their bets to get out of the Milky Way. There was talk of Reapers from ME1, though the Council did their best to squash that as rumors. It does not mean that they have to constantly refer to it or that it negates the need/desire for pioneering a new galaxy, but I would be surprised if people just woke up and completely forgot their roots and their reasons for leaving. Would you just pick up and leave and give no thought of those left behind? No matter how exciting the future is, you still have a past.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2016 20:09:25 GMT
I agree with you on the reasoning. Just because most people, including the Council, didn't believe in a Reaper threat, doesn't mean others would have ignored it. They probably would have been labeled something like "conspiracy theorist" or "preppers" or some 22nd century equivalent. I bet more than a few people aboard the arks were at least factoring the potential Reaper threat as a factor in their decision to take that one-way trip. The Reapers were the main antagonists of Shepard's story. Shepard's story is over and Andromeda is a new story. It makes zero sense to mention the Reapers in MEA as they are irrelevant. They've already been beaten and that story's been done. It would just confuse players new to the series with references to another game's antagonist which will have no place in the new game. Look at all the tweets and references to SpaceX we've been getting from Bioware. Look at the marketing so far. It's quite clear that this expedition is about pioneering, exploration and expanding horizons. For ten years Jien Garson has been working towards this dream to visit and explore a new Galaxy. Nine years of which was in blissful ignorance of the Reapers. I'd be surprised if there was any reference to the Reapers at all in MEA. Bioware devs said either on Twitter or one of the interviews that while most people involved in the Andromeda Initiative have no knowledge of the Reapers, some of the higher up members did and that later in the game it will be mentioned. That sounds like that while the main purpose of the mission was as it is publicly the governments(whom we learn in the Citadel DLC always believed Shepard about the Reaper threat post-ME1) had it have a secret secondary objective which is a contingency for the races of our cycle surviving in case they lose to the Reapers. Also explains Mac Walters' comment about them having a plan that allows all the Milky Way races to be in Andromeda even if not in the first game.
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 29, 2016 20:49:27 GMT
Bioware devs said either on Twitter or one of the interviews that while most people involved in the Andromeda Initiative have no knowledge of the Reapers, some of the higher up members did and that later in the game it will be mentioned. That sounds like that while the main purpose of the mission was as it is publicly the governments(whom we learn in the Citadel DLC always believed Shepard about the Reaper threat post-ME1) had it have a secret secondary objective which is a contingency for the races of our cycle surviving in case they lose to the Reapers. Also explains Mac Walters' comment about them having a plan that allows all the Milky Way races to be in Andromeda even if not in the first game. Fair enough. While it's possible that some may have the Reapers (or the Collectors) as motives for the trip it certainly wouldn't have been the reason Jien devised the trip originally and the promotional material is not recruiting people with any message other than that of a great adventure. So I think it's highly unlikely for the Reaper thing to be more than some random journal entry somewhere about some particular person or sponsor's motivation. I would be amazed if it was any significant part of the plot.
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 29, 2016 20:54:23 GMT
It does not mean that they have to constantly refer to it or that it negates the need/desire for pioneering a new galaxy, but I would be surprised if people just woke up and completely forgot their roots and their reasons for leaving. Would you just pick up and leave and give no thought of those left behind? No matter how exciting the future is, you still have a past. That's what colonist tend to do, though. Leave everything behind for a brave new world. Admittedly, with other colonies there is still contact with, and the potential of travel to, the rest of the Galaxy but most colonists are more interested in bringing their families with them and starting a new life leaving all the old stuff behind. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to do that for such an exciting and momentous adventure as the AI.
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Post by Muddy Boots on Dec 29, 2016 21:48:46 GMT
It does not mean that they have to constantly refer to it or that it negates the need/desire for pioneering a new galaxy, but I would be surprised if people just woke up and completely forgot their roots and their reasons for leaving. Would you just pick up and leave and give no thought of those left behind? No matter how exciting the future is, you still have a past. That's what colonist tend to do, though. Leave everything behind for a brave new world. Admittedly, with other colonies there is still contact with, and the potential of travel to, the rest of the Galaxy but most colonists are more interested in bringing their families with them and starting a new life leaving all the old stuff behind. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to do that for such an exciting and momentous adventure as the AI. I know they're most willing to leave the familiar behind. We'd be nowhere without people like that. But it doesn't mean we erase our past with it. We still retain memories and sometimes some sort of emotional ties to it, whether good or bad. Like I said, that doesn't mean they have to dwell on it, but I'd be surprised if people didn't at least yearn a little bit now and then for the familiar, or wonder how things went.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 29, 2016 22:25:53 GMT
I know they're most willing to leave the familiar behind. We'd be nowhere without people like that. But it doesn't mean we erase our past with it. We still retain memories and sometimes some sort of emotional ties to it, whether good or bad. Like I said, that doesn't mean they have to dwell on it, but I'd be surprised if people didn't at least yearn a little bit now and then for the familiar, or wonder how things went. My Ryder will remind the other humans that Earth is the greatest planet in the universe. That we have great restuarants like McDonalds to have that #1 meal. Have a large pepperoni and mushroom pizza at Dominos or ordering ribs and chicken at Swiss Chalet. Remind them that Sundays were special where folks watch their football team play. I would encourage them to wear a "Earth will not be forgotten" t-shirt. In fact my Ryder will have thousands of the shirts made before leaving Earth. excellent. Sit around listening to some AC/DC, Ozzy and Led Zeppelin. Even watch Clint Eastwood in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. excellent
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 30, 2016 3:30:07 GMT
Watching that video makes me thing the AI is in response to the Reapers. If there were believers out there who thought that the Reapers might wipe out the known Milky Way races, leaving for Andromeda makes a lot of sense. Definitely a new future for humanity. I agree with you on the reasoning. Just because most people, including the Council, didn't believe in a Reaper threat, doesn't mean others would have ignored it. They probably would have been labeled something like "conspiracy theorist" or "preppers" or some 22nd century equivalent. I bet more than a few people aboard the arks were at least factoring the potential Reaper threat as a factor in their decision to take that one-way trip. It even makes sense as to why Alec, Scott and Sara Ryder all make the trip. They want the family and future generations to survive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 4:24:34 GMT
They released the orientation briefing with the n7 day trailer and the arks and Nexus briefing with the gameplay trailer.
I feel like the next briefing will be released on 01/04 at the CES event to continue the trend.
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Post by MagiK on Jan 4, 2017 21:16:32 GMT
They released the orientation briefing with the n7 day trailer and the arks and Nexus briefing with the gameplay trailer. I feel like the next briefing will be released on 01/04 at the CES event to continue the trend. So basically we still only have 2 of the 6 "events" we need to hit to get the helmet? This whole project has been pretty "Dark...in that I only found this forum by accident.....all I knew of was the www.masseffect.com/andromeda-initiativewhich has no links to here :/
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Wow....real lively group here...I can see why the forums are hidden.
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Post by hotdogbsg on Jan 5, 2017 21:25:48 GMT
They released the orientation briefing with the n7 day trailer and the arks and Nexus briefing with the gameplay trailer. I feel like the next briefing will be released on 01/04 at the CES event to continue the trend. So basically we still only have 2 of the 6 "events" we need to hit to get the helmet? This whole project has been pretty "Dark...in that I only found this forum by accident.....all I knew of was the www.masseffect.com/andromeda-initiativewhich has no links to here :/ This isn't an official forum.
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Post by Adhin on Jan 5, 2017 22:06:55 GMT
Wow....real lively group here...I can see why the forums are hidden. Not an official forum and you necro'd a thread. People are probably trying to led the old thing die.
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Post by MagiK on Jan 5, 2017 22:27:30 GMT
Assumed it wasnt locked and the last post before mine was only a few days old.,
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 5, 2017 22:33:44 GMT
Wow....real lively group here...I can see why the forums are hidden. Not an official forum and you necro'd a thread. People are probably trying to led the old thing die. Not really. The last post was only a few days ago. This thread was just waiting for the next video to come out most likely.
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 5, 2017 22:39:53 GMT
Not an official forum and you necro'd a thread. People are probably trying to led the old thing die. Not really. The last post was only a few days ago. This thread was just waiting for the next video to come out most likely. Indeed why would there be activity and discussion in a briefings thread when the last briefing was quite some time ago.
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