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Post by Lebanese Dude on Dec 14, 2016 22:48:31 GMT
Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game? I'm pretty sure the only answer we'll get as to GETTING to Andromeda has already been given with the ODSY drive. Maybe we will get some flavor specifics. There will probably be a conversation hub where you can ask questions about the Ark's history and how it came together.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 14, 2016 22:51:50 GMT
Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game? I'm pretty sure the only answer we'll get as to GETTING to Andromeda has already been given with the ODSY drive. Maybe we will get some flavor specifics. "Resources"
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 14, 2016 22:54:17 GMT
Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game?
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Post by bshep on Dec 14, 2016 23:11:45 GMT
Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game? I have, hence why i don't bother to answer most of the pointless discussions on this thread.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 14, 2016 23:12:25 GMT
Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game? I have, hence why i don't bother to answer most of the pointless discussions on this thread. Ah but what's funner then pointless discussion?
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Post by themikefest on Dec 14, 2016 23:15:35 GMT
Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game? Maybe the game will give a brief explanation with the full details being explained by purchasing one of the books/comics
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Post by bshep on Dec 14, 2016 23:16:36 GMT
I have, hence why i don't bother to answer most of the pointless discussions on this thread. Ah but what's funner then pointless discussion? Discussions with arguments based on evidence instead.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 14, 2016 23:20:10 GMT
Ah but what's funner then pointless discussion? Discussions with arguments based on evidence instead. ...Kinda thought that is whatwe are doing... some of us anyways.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 14, 2016 23:40:35 GMT
colfoley: They are all examples for inconsistencies of various degree, yes.. Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game? If they manage to make this work somehow, then I'll be the first to applaud and actually write a post as to how well it was done, no question. However, given that they said, that they don't really want to link much to the old stuff at all, except for a few nods and easter eggs here and there, given the information we have so far and given their track record, I will remain very skeptical for the moment.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 14, 2016 23:45:40 GMT
colfoley : They are all examples for inconsistencies of various degree, yes.. Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game? If they manage to make this work somehow, then I'll be the first to applaud and actually write a post as to how well it was done, no question. However, given that they said, that they don't really want to link much to the old stuff at all, except for a few nods and easter eggs here and there, given the information we have so far and given their track record, I will remain very skeptical for the moment. Ah. In which case with so many inconsistencies in their original work, and some of them rather highly involved with the plot and not even the worse offender, then one should not be bothered by the Andromeda Intiatives latest 'logical inconsistancy' especially if one liked the original trilogy inspite of its many problems in logic and scientific consistency.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 15, 2016 0:04:39 GMT
colfoley : They are all examples for inconsistencies of various degree, yes.. If they manage to make this work somehow, then I'll be the first to applaud and actually write a post as to how well it was done, no question. However, given that they said, that they don't really want to link much to the old stuff at all, except for a few nods and easter eggs here and there, given the information we have so far and given their track record, I will remain very skeptical for the moment. Ah. In which case with so many inconsistencies in their original work, and some of them rather highly involved with the plot and not even the worse offender, then one should not be bothered by the Andromeda Intiatives latest 'logical inconsistancy' especially if one liked the original trilogy inspite of its many problems in logic and scientific consistency. Nope, not how it works for me. I was bothered about all of those (and did speak out back in the day when they were fresh as well) and I am bothered by the ones will very likely happen with Andromeda, too. Just because bad things happened in the past doesn't make the same kind of BS right in the present. By the way, the "original work" was Mass Effect 1. the inconsistencies really only started to massively pile up starting with ME2.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 15, 2016 0:06:21 GMT
Ah. In which case with so many inconsistencies in their original work, and some of them rather highly involved with the plot and not even the worse offender, then one should not be bothered by the Andromeda Intiatives latest 'logical inconsistancy' especially if one liked the original trilogy inspite of its many problems in logic and scientific consistency. Nope, not how it works for me. I was bothered about all of those (and did speak out back in the day when they were fresh as well) and I am bothered by the ones will very likely happen with Andromeda, too. Just because bad things happened in the past doesn't make the same kind of BS right in the present. By the way, the "original work" was Mass Effect 1. the inconsistencies really only started to massively pile up starting with ME2. Which only makes sense since ME 1 would have nothing to be inconsistant with.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 15, 2016 0:16:39 GMT
Nope, not how it works for me. I was bothered about all of those (and did speak out back in the day when they were fresh as well) and I am bothered by the ones will very likely happen with Andromeda, too. Just because bad things happened in the past doesn't make the same kind of BS right in the present. By the way, the "original work" was Mass Effect 1. the inconsistencies really only started to massively pile up starting with ME2. Which only makes sense since ME 1 would have nothing to be inconsistant with. Oh, there are plenty of stories that had inconsistencies without needing sequels and ME1 already set up the majority of the history of the universe (basically 90% of ME's history, races, cultures and political situation were established in ME1). BW did super well in that one and they deserve credit for it.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 15, 2016 1:00:13 GMT
Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game? Well I have said several times that I'm reserving final judgment in case more information is revealed. So if you'd read the thread, you'd have answered your own question.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 15, 2016 1:02:43 GMT
colfoley : They are all examples for inconsistencies of various degree, yes.. If they manage to make this work somehow, then I'll be the first to applaud and actually write a post as to how well it was done, no question. However, given that they said, that they don't really want to link much to the old stuff at all, except for a few nods and easter eggs here and there, given the information we have so far and given their track record, I will remain very skeptical for the moment. Ah. In which case with so many inconsistencies in their original work, and some of them rather highly involved with the plot and not even the worse offender, then one should not be bothered by the Andromeda Intiatives latest 'logical inconsistancy' especially if one liked the original trilogy inspite of its many problems in logic and scientific consistency. Not if one saw this new game as an opportunity to return to more consistent story-telling and world-building, no.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 15, 2016 1:32:10 GMT
Ah. In which case with so many inconsistencies in their original work, and some of them rather highly involved with the plot and not even the worse offender, then one should not be bothered by the Andromeda Intiatives latest 'logical inconsistancy' especially if one liked the original trilogy inspite of its many problems in logic and scientific consistency. Not if one saw this new game as an opportunity to return to more consistent story-telling and world-building, no. the bioware writers broke their setting. So if they wanted to do more me games, and they did, and if they didn't want to make an ending cannon, they didn't. This was about the only option open to them. Sure two wrongs often do not make a right but they had to move the setting somewhere where the endings were irrelevant given the constraints they placed on themselves.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 15, 2016 1:59:22 GMT
Not if one saw this new game as an opportunity to return to more consistent story-telling and world-building, no. the bioware writers broke their setting. So if they wanted to do more me games, and they did, and if they didn't want to make an ending cannon, they didn't. This was about the only option open to them. Sure two wrongs often do not make a right but they had to move the setting somewhere where the endings were irrelevant given the constraints they placed on themselves. I don't agree. They could have easily side stepped all these problems by simply making this whole ark/nexus thing a top secret project that nobody - not Shepard, not Anderson, not the Council - nobody knew about. In Leviathan they already had a scientist working on investigating the Reapers - covertly - due in part to Shep's warnings. So it's already an idea. Just run with it. Put together another secret project based on Mars Prothean data or something. Perhaps it's run by another rogue AI, an EDI type character that swam through the data, saw the threat, put together a solution. It still robs some drama from the original series but it's a bit easier to swallow than what I've seen so far.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 15, 2016 2:09:07 GMT
the bioware writers broke their setting. So if they wanted to do more me games, and they did, and if they didn't want to make an ending cannon, they didn't. This was about the only option open to them. Sure two wrongs often do not make a right but they had to move the setting somewhere where the endings were irrelevant given the constraints they placed on themselves. I don't agree. They could have easily side stepped all these problems by simply making this whole ark/nexus thing a top secret project that nobody - not Shepard, not Anderson, not the Council - nobody knew about. In Leviathan they already had a scientist working on investigating the Reapers - covertly - due in part to Shep's warnings. So it's already an idea. Just run with it. Put together another secret project based on Mars Prothean data or something. Perhaps it's run by another rogue AI, an EDI type character that swam through the data, saw the threat, put together a solution. It still robs some drama from the original series but it's a bit easier to swallow than what I've seen so far. I thought the AI was secret. Maybe not 'top secret' but I could have sworn I read that in a few different places with relations to the official in game media.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 15, 2016 2:20:48 GMT
Anyone ever stop to think that perhaps they'll answer all your burning questions in the actual game?
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Post by Arcian on Dec 15, 2016 3:26:52 GMT
Nope, not how it works for me. I was bothered about all of those (and did speak out back in the day when they were fresh as well) and I am bothered by the ones will very likely happen with Andromeda, too. Just because bad things happened in the past doesn't make the same kind of BS right in the present. By the way, the "original work" was Mass Effect 1. the inconsistencies really only started to massively pile up starting with ME2. Which only makes sense since ME 1 would have nothing to be inconsistant with. Except itself.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 15, 2016 3:27:56 GMT
Which only makes sense since ME 1 would have nothing to be inconsistant with. Except itself. I figured that would have been implied.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 15, 2016 6:50:49 GMT
I'm pretty sure the only answer we'll get as to GETTING to Andromeda has already been given with the ODSY drive. Maybe we will get some flavor specifics. There will probably be a conversation hub where you can ask questions about the Ark's history and how it came together. Sure thing. "So you are the one who invented ODSY drive?" I thought the AI was secret. Maybe not 'top secret' but I could have sworn I read that in a few different places with relations to the official in game media. One of magazines did call it "secret", but so far we have pictures of Hyperion built above Moon. Not the most classic understanding of secrecy. Even though AI briefings happen in uninhabited system.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 15, 2016 7:46:20 GMT
There will probably be a conversation hub where you can ask questions about the Ark's history and how it came together. Sure thing. "So you are the one who invented ODSY drive?" I thought the AI was secret. Maybe not 'top secret' but I could have sworn I read that in a few different places with relations to the official in game media. One of magazines did call it "secret", but so far we have pictures of Hyperion built above Moon. Not the most classic understanding of secrecy. Even though AI briefings happen in uninhabited system. The thought just occured to me. With the Andromeda Intiatives Penchant for dramatic theater already I wonder if the Hyperion actually was built over the Moon. Probably still is though. In any case 1. just because it was built over the moon does not mean that anyone especially saw it. Space is big. 2. Even if someone did see it they would have to know what it was. Without knowing better, if I wasn't in the know, I would assume that such ships were just...ships being built. I would not have neccessarily presumed the Arks was specifically for the AI unless told so...or read it on some conspiracy site on the Extranet but that opens up a whole other can of problems.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 15, 2016 8:34:31 GMT
The thought just occured to me. With the Andromeda Intiatives Penchant for dramatic theater already I wonder if the Hyperion actually was built over the Moon. Probably still is though. In any case 1. just because it was built over the moon does not mean that anyone especially saw it. Space is big. 2. Even if someone did see it they would have to know what it was. Without knowing better, if I wasn't in the know, I would assume that such ships were just...ships being built. I would not have neccessarily presumed the Arks was specifically for the AI unless told so...or read it on some conspiracy site on the Extranet but that opens up a whole other can of problems. Eh... 1. You can see satellites with a telescope. Not to mention all space passengers in 2184. 2. It's dreadnought-sized ship. Civilians usually don't build these due to cost-efficiency reasons, so you don't need to be conspiracy theorist to start asking questions.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2016 9:20:14 GMT
The thought just occured to me. With the Andromeda Intiatives Penchant for dramatic theater already I wonder if the Hyperion actually was built over the Moon. Probably still is though. In any case 1. just because it was built over the moon does not mean that anyone especially saw it. Space is big. 2. Even if someone did see it they would have to know what it was. Without knowing better, if I wasn't in the know, I would assume that such ships were just...ships being built. I would not have neccessarily presumed the Arks was specifically for the AI unless told so...or read it on some conspiracy site on the Extranet but that opens up a whole other can of problems. Eh... 1. You can see satellites with a telescope. Not to mention all space passengers in 2184. 2. It's dreadnought-sized ship. Civilians usually don't build these due to cost-efficiency reasons, so you don't need to be conspiracy theorist to start asking questions. Not to mention it is a ship whose design is completely new compared to other ships, so would immediately attract tons of attention and with that inquiries about its purpose.
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