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Post by The Elder King on Nov 16, 2016 23:58:20 GMT
Never say it was before. But if they are going to remove a useful feature like issuing simple "go/stop/use skill" commands to our squadmates in combat, then I don't know how to call it. That is still there, they already said it. Not in the same way. You can't use it when you pause the game and you can't decide which power your squadmate should use, as well as the target.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 0:00:07 GMT
That is still there, they already said it. Not in the same way. You can't use it when you pause the game and you can't decide which power your squadmate should use, as well as the target. The target you will obviously be able to choose, just like you can choose in ME2 or ME3 without pausing the game. That's the only thing that changed, no more pausing to give commands to create a more fast paced combat. That is not "dumbing down".
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2016 0:07:32 GMT
Not in the same way. You can't use it when you pause the game and you can't decide which power your squadmate should use, as well as the target. The target you will obviously be able to choose, just like you can choose in ME2 or ME3 without pausing the game. That's the only thing that changed, no more pausing to give commands to create a more fast paced combat. That is not "dumbing down". I never said it was dumbed down, nor I was arguing it was. I said it was different (and not just because of the squadmates' powers) and that to work it'll require companions to be more intelligent and useful then before.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 0:10:19 GMT
Are you trying to admonish me for being older and for liking what I like? Because if so, that's kind of ridiculous. I have no control over one of those things. I can "adapt" to newer "play styles." I don't have to like them. Not at all. But I'm just saying the game will be more cater to a more wider audience. Even in the recent video interview, the devs from multiplayer (who are also working on sp) are really trying to push the gameplay, mentioning overwatch/titanfall as examples. I assume the older fan base have to "adapt" like you put it but don't necessary have to like them. Anyway this is probably not the best place to talk about this topic, it's a twitter thread after all. Longwinded discussion between tweets is tradition, is it not? As a guy unaffected by the changes, but able to empathize with those most affected, I'd like to share a perspective. Edit: I had spoiler-blocked this. In hindsight, it's not the sort of thing that needs to be spoiler-blocked. I never pause and aim, and I only occasionally give orders to squaddies, so this won't affect me too much. That said, I get the angst.
Many cite their terrible eye-hand coordination as a reason for liking pause-and-play. Some seriously struggle with this stuff. Others have actual, undeniable disabilities that would make the game inaccessible for them, were it not for this mechanic. It's hard to understand something like this until you've experienced it.
I have a genetic condition that has recently greatly diminished my physical capabilities. I went from being pretty physically gifted to being disabled. (Not paralyzed, disabled. Fortunately, my gaming is largely unaffected!). It's jarring, eye-opening. It sucks.
I feel for the people who won't be able to continue playing Mass Effect because of the gameplay change. They can't simply adapt. There's a guy in the community who plays these games one-handed. It's amazing. I don't know if he will be able to do this with MEA.
Some people will absolutely be able to turn down the difficulty, stop using the pause and aim crutch, and finally "Git Gud". For those people, this may actually be a blessing in disguise. They'll find that they're actually better gamers than they realized. Others, though, are just screwed.
I don't share this to lecture. I just wanted to offer a often over-looked perspective.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 0:11:18 GMT
The target you will obviously be able to choose, just like you can choose in ME2 or ME3 without pausing the game. That's the only thing that changed, no more pausing to give commands to create a more fast paced combat. That is not "dumbing down". I never said it was dumbed down, nor I was arguing it was. I said it was different (and not just because of the squadmates' powers) and that to work it'll require companions to be more intelligent and useful then before. It seems I confused you with other posters. I think the cover system, the jetpack and melee will have a bigger inpact int he gameplay then this change of not being able to give commands while paused. And I don't think the AI will have to be significantly better. They will still be most useful for their powers and play a largely secundary role in the firefight itself.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2016 0:14:09 GMT
I never said it was dumbed down, nor I was arguing it was. I said it was different (and not just because of the squadmates' powers) and that to work it'll require companions to be more intelligent and useful then before. It seems I confused you with other posters. I think the cover system, the jetpack and melee will have a bigger inpact int he gameplay then this change of not being able to give commands while paused. And I don't think the AI will have to be significantly better. They will still be most useful for their powers and play a largely secundary role in the firefight itself. They said squadmates are different from previous games where they weren't necessary to win fights, instead now they're necessary to the point that without them you'd lose, so I think the AI has to be improved.
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Post by jamiecotc on Nov 17, 2016 0:20:43 GMT
Not in the same way. You can't use it when you pause the game and you can't decide which power your squadmate should use, as well as the target. The target you will obviously be able to choose, just like you can choose in ME2 or ME3 without pausing the game. That's the only thing that changed, no more pausing to give commands to create a more fast paced combat. That is not "dumbing down". I am curious how this will be accomplished on mouse and keyboard as BW hasn't had the best record w/ PC ports using M&K. Thankfully, I imagine we'll be able to rebind keys to whatever we like regardless. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Thanks for the info.
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Post by bshep on Nov 17, 2016 0:25:15 GMT
It seems I confused you with other posters. I think the cover system, the jetpack and melee will have a bigger inpact int he gameplay then this change of not being able to give commands while paused. And I don't think the AI will have to be significantly better. They will still be most useful for their powers and play a largely secundary role in the firefight itself. They said squadmates are different from previous games where they weren't necessary to win fights, instead now they're necessary to the point that without them you'd lose, so I think the AI has to be improved. I don't rememer hearing this. Where did they said that?
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Post by LFS on Nov 17, 2016 0:28:38 GMT
If anything, the last couple of pages of discussion demonstrates exactly why we need to see gameplay. "We changed these things!" but "it still plays the same!" is a pretty conflicting message to put out there without any sort of visual context.
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Post by KirkyX on Nov 17, 2016 0:40:00 GMT
If anything, the last couple of pages of discussion demonstrates exactly why we need to see gameplay. "We changed these things!" but "it still plays the same!" is a pretty conflicting message to put out there without any sort of visual context. Counting down the days...
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2016 0:42:40 GMT
They said squadmates are different from previous games where they weren't necessary to win fights, instead now they're necessary to the point that without them you'd lose, so I think the AI has to be improved. I don't rememer hearing this. Where did they said that? I can't find it at the moment. I'll try later since I can't right now. Though it might've been from shinobi on GAF, so it might not be accurate.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 1:08:13 GMT
I don't rememer hearing this. Where did they said that? I can't find it at the moment. I'll try later since I can't right now. Though it might've been from shinobi on GAF, so it might not be accurate. Squadmates won't be necessary to win battles, that's for sure.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 17, 2016 1:08:25 GMT
One thing I'd like to remind people, but the main reason they added the Left/Right for a quick key squad skill use was for biotic combos due to the global CD. I know for some folks it kinda sucks we can't tell squadies to do a specific thing when we need it and I agree it's an oddball choice to make outside of wanting SP and MP to feel more similar then ME3.
But we no longer have a global CD in MEA. Which means we don't need squadmates to set off any of the combos. Plus as has been mentioned we can still give squadmate commands, its just done in real time. Which, frankly that part I'm bummed by. Giving commands has always been the shitty part as far as I'm concerned which is one reason I don't like doing it unless I absolutely have to.
Every game you give team mates commands where theres no pause option to do it always feels clunky from my experience. Ah well. Anyway, heres the gameinformer bulletpoints from Shinobi related to squadmates.
-Pausing returns but only for switching weapons or using consumables; powers are instead hotkeyed for quick use in combat while squad commands are in real time -You still queue up attacks, combos, order your squad, etc
Oddly none of that says anything about not being able to hotkey a squad skill. Think a dev tweeted you can't, I think...
edit: Also the idea that squadmates would be 'required' to win combat is hilaaarious, and total bullshit. This isn't a tank/DPS/healer which is the only way they can make it mostly 'required'. We're all just dudes n dudettes with guns. definitely make things faster if they're alive (and hit things).
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 17, 2016 1:24:09 GMT
It's funny how humanity goes from discovering its first Mass Relay to "let's go to another galaxy!" in less than 30 years.
Urgh.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 1:39:00 GMT
It's funny how humanity goes from discovering its first Mass Relay to "let's go to another galaxy!" in less than 30 years. Urgh. This made me laugh out loud.
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Post by bshep on Nov 17, 2016 1:46:55 GMT
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 17, 2016 1:53:04 GMT
It's funny how humanity goes from discovering its first Mass Relay to "let's go to another galaxy!" in less than 30 years. Urgh. Please... in 30 years, the whole "Milky Way" fad would have long outstayed its welcome. It'd be the polyester reversible slacks of the universe. *shiver* Believe me... no one wants to be in those slacks.
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