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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 30, 2016 5:05:23 GMT
Say that again O.o. "Huge" huh? DA:I wasn't even an improvement to begin with. The best facial animations they had was ME1 and the best movement they had was ME2. DA:I had some really great facial joints to create the possibility of realistic face movement moreso than ever before, but a lot of the actual animation in the game was sloppy. In too many dialogues characters smile when they yell in an angry tone or look like they're thinking "Oh, OH, a gift? For me!?" when they're supposed to look like "FUCK, IT'S COMING MY WAY!! SHIIT!"
I'm not tough to please, you guys are just too easily impressed.
That animation always looked off to me, and I've seen non-fanboy reaction videos like EasyAllies or NeoGAF and local friends react in the same way as myself, with a tinge of awkwardness.
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Post by bshep on Nov 30, 2016 5:06:09 GMT
Gotta love how some people seem even more excited about future games that haven't even been revealed yet (nor even conceived internally) of a game we already barely know anything about and nobody has played. Marvel sure has converted fandom. It's very funny you said that considering that you can't stop talking about how bad everything about MEA, " a game we already barely know anything about and nobody has played", will be. NeoGAF isn't a fanboy site? Are you kidding? (don't know about the other one). Truth be told i don't remember seeing you saying something positive about MEA...
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 30, 2016 5:10:27 GMT
That's some Damon Lindeloff-level disingenuous logic pal.
I'm at least talking about Andromeda and not some unnamed, uncertain sequel of a half-reboot we don't even know if it will garner longlasting fandom by 2018.
Look harder then. I have said positive things in regards to what potential I think it has and that I love the family-concept. But there aren't a lot of confirmed things that I've been very excited for yet. I'm still looking for either that Mass Effect spirit to creep in soon or some new appeal I haven't felt before that draws you in, but it just hasn't happened so far.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 30, 2016 5:11:10 GMT
A lot of BioWare's animations are procedural, even face-performances (albeit I think they slightly touch them up by hand most of the time). I mean, you do have hand-animated animations of course but there are "sets" of animation that they recycle from ME1 and across all the rest of their games by enabling them in a script. The "full performance" scenes probably do feature fully mocapped performances, that isn't exactly new, but it also means it's all done in a fully animated scene and not a bunch of smaller animation presets. I suck at explaining it but I've always been keen on the technicalities of games I play, and now I'm also becoming a developer, so without being too arrogant about it, I think my idea of how this works is pretty on-point. I am absolutely certain that your knowledge far exceeds my own. I was basing my guesses off of Aaryn's recent Skype interview in which he referenced BioWare finally making the switch from "hand-animation", or something similar that I'm misremembering, to better tech like motion-capture. Whatever they've been doing is very dated. I'm excited to see the new techniques at work. Based upon DAI's poorly lip-synced scenes and mostly "same-old, but polished" look, I'd guess MEA will be the first time they've implemented these techniques.
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Post by bshep on Nov 30, 2016 5:11:38 GMT
That's some Damon Lindeloff-level disingenuous logic pal. I'm at least talking about Andromeda and not some unnamed, uncertain sequel of a half-reboot we don't even know if it will garner longlasting fandom by 2018. And this is not talking about about it?...sure
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 30, 2016 5:14:40 GMT
That's some Damon Lindeloff-level disingenuous logic pal. I'm at least talking about Andromeda and not some unnamed, uncertain sequel of a half-reboot we don't even know if it will garner longlasting fandom by 2018. And this is not talking about about it?...sure "Weeee I'm so excited about about the new BioWare IP being announced next year! I can't wait to play the sequel already!" I'm glad people want a future for Andromeda as a series and so do I, but I think it's asinine to be excited for Andromeda 2 already or to take Mac's words that "It won't be a trilogy but we do have ideas for future games!" as a guarantee that Andromeda will be some longlasting story arc with 5 entries or something. It bugs me because lots of things do that people don't normally care for, and because I hate Marvel and the way they've created an industry for hyping up sequels rather than being excited over the original movie and how good that is. The last thing I'd want is for video games to create the same cinematic sequel-bait-verse where every game cops out instead of being good as a standalone to advertise the next game. I'm getting ahead of myself, but that's where my dislike for all the "I hope there's Andromeda 2" hype is coming from. We shouldn't be bothered with thinking about anything beyond this game yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 5:17:23 GMT
And this is not talking about about it?...sure "Weeee I'm so excited about about the new BioWare IP being announced next year! I can't wait to play the sequel already!" ??? why is that such a bad thing? if people like a company, they're going to like seeing more games from them?
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 30, 2016 5:18:01 GMT
Gotta love how some people seem even more excited about future games that haven't even been revealed yet (nor even conceived internally) of a game we already barely know anything about and nobody has played. Marvel sure has converted fandom. It's very funny you said that considering that you can't stop talking about how bad everything about MEA, " a game we already barely know anything about and nobody has played", will be. NeoGAF isn't a fanboy site? Are you kidding? (don't know about the other one). Truth be told i don't remember seeing you saying something positive about MEA... That's not really fair. I'd say Link"Guess"ski is about 50/50: 50% excited, and 50% pessimistic. I see plenty of optimism in Link's posts. People just get riled, turned off and quit reading before they get to all the hype and praise his posts include.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 30, 2016 5:20:38 GMT
They say people remember negative experiences more vividly than the positive. That's also why manners and politeness is often so important in social spaces. On the internet however? Fuck it. Also, when I work in groups. We do nothing but critcise each other and it can be a living nightmare at times, but as long as you refrain from ad-hominem it's good.
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Post by rapscallioness on Nov 30, 2016 5:28:02 GMT
That's some Damon Lindeloff-level disingenuous logic pal. I'm at least talking about Andromeda and not some unnamed, uncertain sequel of a half-reboot we don't even know if it will garner longlasting fandom by 2018.Look harder then. I have said positive things in regards to what potential I think it has and that I love the family-concept. But there aren't a lot of confirmed things that I've been very excited for yet. I'm still looking for either that Mass Effect spirit to creep in soon or some new appeal I haven't felt before that draws you in, but it just hasn't happened so far. I mentioned "Future games" because BW mentioned it. I thought that was interesting because it's the first time I've heard them mention the possibility. Being more excited about it than MEA never factored into my comment.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 30, 2016 6:11:06 GMT
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 30, 2016 6:23:13 GMT
Tom Taylorson @taylorsonMore favorites from Andromeda dialogue: Interrupting Player Character! Tom Taylorson @taylorson"Hi!! Couldn't help but overhear your argument/private conversation!" Tom Taylorson @taylorson"I have no stake in this, but I'll happily offer my opinion/solve your problem/find your stuff for XP or items!!" This wasn't something I liked in ME3. Would prefer more content like Samesh Bhatia wanting his wife's body back in ME1 where we talked to both parties individually rather than overhearing them talk to each other and then randomly supporting one side.
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Tom Taylorson @taylorsonMore favorites from Andromeda dialogue: Interrupting Player Character! Tom Taylorson @taylorson"Hi!! Couldn't help but overhear your argument/private conversation!" Tom Taylorson @taylorson"I have no stake in this, but I'll happily offer my opinion/solve your problem/find your stuff for XP or items!!" Yikes...now this sounds like the ME 3 endless Citadel fetch quests! Groan.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 30, 2016 6:32:59 GMT
Tom Taylorson @taylorsonMore favorites from Andromeda dialogue: Interrupting Player Character! Tom Taylorson @taylorson"Hi!! Couldn't help but overhear your argument/private conversation!" Tom Taylorson @taylorson"I have no stake in this, but I'll happily offer my opinion/solve your problem/find your stuff for XP or items!!" This wasn't something I liked in ME3. Would prefer more content like Samesh Bhatia wanting his wife's body back in ME1 where we talked to both parties individually rather than overhearing them talk to each other and then randomly supporting one side. Tom Taylorson @taylorsonMore favorites from Andromeda dialogue: Interrupting Player Character! Tom Taylorson @taylorson"Hi!! Couldn't help but overhear your argument/private conversation!" Tom Taylorson @taylorson"I have no stake in this, but I'll happily offer my opinion/solve your problem/find your stuff for XP or items!!" Yikes...now this sounds like the ME 3 endless Citadel fetch quests! Groan. Ugh! Agreed. Let's hope these are very, very few and far between. These were the worst.
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Post by rapscallioness on Nov 30, 2016 6:46:48 GMT
Oh, Tom. You sweet Summer child.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 30, 2016 7:14:36 GMT
Tom Taylorson @taylorson Last Andromeda fact for the day: Saw a liiiitle more footage.
MAN it's pretty.
They have tweaked the HELL outta the graphics on level 3.
Michael Gamble @gamblemike all the tweaking.
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Post by bshep on Nov 30, 2016 7:29:52 GMT
This hurt me...
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Post by rapscallioness on Nov 30, 2016 7:49:42 GMT
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 30, 2016 8:35:16 GMT
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Tom Taylorson @taylorsonMore favorites from Andromeda dialogue: Interrupting Player Character! Tom Taylorson @taylorson"Hi!! Couldn't help but overhear your argument/private conversation!" Tom Taylorson @taylorson"I have no stake in this, but I'll happily offer my opinion/solve your problem/find your stuff for XP or items!!" Yikes...now this sounds like the ME 3 endless Citadel fetch quests! Groan. Honestly, it sounds more like ME1's Citadel quests to me. The main thing I remember about ME3's is that you wouldn't even get the chance to 'offer [your] opinion/to solve [their] problem/to find [their] stuff' before it got added to your quest log and you shot off across the galaxy. Shoving your nose into other people's business is RPG 101, after all--the really off-putting thing about ME3, for me at least, was they way it was all so perfunctory. No dialogue tree, no, 'Never fear, Shepard is here!', just *creepily jots down notes in my omni-tool about someone's private conversation*.
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Tom Taylorson @taylorsonMore favorites from Andromeda dialogue: Interrupting Player Character! Tom Taylorson @taylorson"Hi!! Couldn't help but overhear your argument/private conversation!" Tom Taylorson @taylorson"I have no stake in this, but I'll happily offer my opinion/solve your problem/find your stuff for XP or items!!" Not sure if serious. I thought the same, he can't possibly think that's a good thing? It totally sounds like sarcasm but it wouldn't make sense if it is... I'm confused
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 10:21:44 GMT
Yikes...now this sounds like the ME 3 endless Citadel fetch quests! Groan. Honestly, it sounds more like ME1's Citadel quests to me. The main thing I remember about ME3's is that you wouldn't even get the chance to 'offer [your] opinion/to solve [their] problem/to find [their] stuff' before it got added to your quest log and you shot off across the galaxy. Shoving your nose into other people's business is RPG 101, after all--the really off-putting thing about ME3, for me at least, was they way it was all so perfunctory. No dialogue tree, no, 'Never fear, Shepard is here!', just *creepily jots down notes in my omni-tool about someone's private conversation*. i'm hoping so! those where a lot more fun because you actually had to do a mission instead of just scan a few planets and play delivery boy/girl. i'm also hoping there will be missions like 'i remember me' that are able to hit me with the feelz.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 30, 2016 11:58:45 GMT
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Post by pdusen on Nov 30, 2016 12:55:34 GMT
Say that again O.o. "Huge" huh? DA:I wasn't even an improvement to begin with. The best facial animations they had was ME1 and the best movement they had was ME2. DA:I had some really great facial joints to create the possibility of realistic face movement moreso than ever before, but a lot of the actual animation in the game was sloppy. In too many dialogues characters smile when they yell in an angry tone or look like they're thinking "Oh, OH, a gift? For me!?" when they're supposed to look like "FUCK, IT'S COMING MY WAY!! SHIIT!" I'm not tough to please, you guys are just too easily impressed. That animation always looked off to me, and I've seen non-fanboy reaction videos like EasyAllies or NeoGAF and local friends react in the same way as myself, with a tinge of awkwardness. I was wondering when the "Fanboy" talk would start. Looks like you've just graduated. They grow up so fast.
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