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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Feb 28, 2017 23:06:50 GMT
Since I first heard about a new Mass Effect title being made, I was planning on making a pure sniper build (in the trilogy I was a crowd-control CQC Engineer), but I actually might try my hand with some interesting amalgamations. I haven't been following all the information closely enough, so I may have missed it, but how many passives can Ryder choose to equip? Also, I wanted to quote you PillarBiter, because, outside of enjoying your brainstorming, I wanted to tell you that I enjoy your choice of avatar. The Universalist was pretty much tied for my character choice in Kingdoms of Amalur. I actually ended up with a maul/chakram/talisman, heavy armored battlemage using the Sorcerer destiny, but I nearly was a heavy armored, faeblade/dagger/talisman, 3-element Universalist. Good times. Universalist life, bruh! Glad someone enjoys the builds! I've been amending my builds ever so slightly to the point of perfection. I think 've arrived  (for me personally, anyway) Most tactics of my original post remain intact. Profile 1 (main): ExplorerOverload, concussive shot, novaI've changed charge for concussive shot because it now allows you to be versatile at all ranges. Also, having a build with a combat, tech and biotic ability seems awesome if it works. Gret combo potential, great short to mid to long range skills. good synergy with the profile. And blink. let's not forget that one. Profile 2: VanguardLance, annihilation field, chargeSpec lance for using barrier instead of cooldown, prime enemies with annihilation, switch between lance and charge/heavy melee to deplete and refill shields at will, basically making you a walking biotic explosion. Profile 3: infiltrator.turbocharge, infiltrator cloak, cryo beamunchanged from before. used for taking down heavy armor and supplying fire support. Profile 4: soldieromni grenade, trip mine, barrierI switched omni grenade with flak cannon because omni probably either detonates or primes enemies --> extra win. Besidesm flak is bad against armor... Other profiles if people want, but not really my playstyle: Engineer remnant VI, assault turret, invasion running interference with helper friends Adept Singularity, throw, shockwave Boom. sentinel backlash, energy drain, incinerate Unkillable tank and tech combos Well, it looks like you are thoroughly prepared to take on whatever the Andromeda Galaxy has to throw at you! I am going to approach the combat by ignoring profile swapping (I'll play an Infiltrator on an alternate gender run), and run an Explorer tailored to what sounds most fun to me right now: Tactical Cloak, Invasion, and Nova with Combat and Biotic passives
I plan to focus on melee with a hammer primarily, but also use a SMG where needed. I may swap out Nova for Singularity to get a primer in play, but we'll see how things work out. I will have Biotic Blink for dodging, Tactical Cloak for sneaking, and Invasion can help soften my opponents for hammer strikes. |
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Mar 1, 2017 0:03:43 GMT
I just reread some of the posts...was Nova confirmed to be a primer? I have seen a number of posters suggest it, but I didn't want to get my hopes up yet. I haven't seen any official information on that ability yet, outside of possible confirmation that the animation is the one that looks like a fist-to-ground slam. Was it in one of the videos? I admit, I skipped around and didn't watch any of them all the way through. If so, I am super happy to be able to keep my planned build.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Mar 1, 2017 6:21:50 GMT
I just reread some of the posts...was Nova confirmed to be a primer? I have seen a number of posters suggest it, but I didn't want to get my hopes up yet. I haven't seen any official information on that ability yet, outside of possible confirmation that the animation is the one that looks like a fist-to-ground slam. Was it in one of the videos? I admit, I skipped around and didn't watch any of them all the way through. If so, I am super happy to be able to keep my planned build. While I previously mentioned I would forgo my sniper for the Explorer, I think I am going to go ahead and swap my canon and alternate sets. I tried to fit the sniper into a variation of my Explorer concept, but I didn't like the arrangement. So, I am going to run an Infiltrator profile: Trip Mine, Invasion, and Tactical Cloak
The build will focus on supporting the sniper approach with crowd control and team support. On the alternate, I will use the Explorer profile: Omni Grenade, Remnant VI, and Nova
This mish-mash will be strengthened by its passives, and will melee with drone support. I look forward to running both of these characters soon. Now I just need some more details (like a full description of the Infiltrator profile, and some squad loadouts) to feel settled. Do we get to choose from a list for the squad members or do they come preloaded with specific skills and passives? |
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Post by DayusMakhina on Mar 1, 2017 6:28:34 GMT
I just reread some of the posts...was Nova confirmed to be a primer? I have seen a number of posters suggest it, but I didn't want to get my hopes up yet. I haven't seen any official information on that ability yet, outside of possible confirmation that the animation is the one that looks like a fist-to-ground slam. Was it in one of the videos? I admit, I skipped around and didn't watch any of them all the way through. If so, I am super happy to be able to keep my planned build. Hasn't been confirmed per say, but it has been shown to be a primer and not a detonator in some footage. Obviously these things are potentially subject to change prior to release so we won't know 100% until the 16th. |
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 1, 2017 6:40:45 GMT
I just reread some of the posts...was Nova confirmed to be a primer? I have seen a number of posters suggest it, but I didn't want to get my hopes up yet. I haven't seen any official information on that ability yet, outside of possible confirmation that the animation is the one that looks like a fist-to-ground slam. Was it in one of the videos? I admit, I skipped around and didn't watch any of them all the way through. If so, I am super happy to be able to keep my planned build. Hasn't been confirmed per say, but it has been shown to be a primer and not a detonator in some footage. Obviously these things are potentially subject to change prior to release so we won't know 100% until the 16th. When a skill has a round sigil in the top left of it, it is a primer. Many videos already show nova having this top left sigil. In one video, you can see the evolution tree of nova. There, the final evolution (6 points) shows it to let you be able to choose to either - let you make it a primer - something else (probably allows you to let it use shields instead of a cooldown, but don't quote me on that) While none of the videos are final and 100% sure, it is highly likely. |
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 1, 2017 6:46:42 GMT
I just reread some of the posts...was Nova confirmed to be a primer? I have seen a number of posters suggest it, but I didn't want to get my hopes up yet. I haven't seen any official information on that ability yet, outside of possible confirmation that the animation is the one that looks like a fist-to-ground slam. Was it in one of the videos? I admit, I skipped around and didn't watch any of them all the way through. If so, I am super happy to be able to keep my planned build. While I previously mentioned I would forgo my sniper for the Explorer, I think I am going to go ahead and swap my canon and alternate sets. I tried to fit the sniper into a variation of my Explorer concept, but I didn't like the arrangement. So, I am going to run an Infiltrator profile: Trip Mine, Invasion, and Tactical Cloak
The build will focus on supporting the sniper approach with crowd control and team support. On the alternate, I will use the Explorer profile: Omni Grenade, Remnant VI, and Nova
This mish-mash will be strengthened by its passives, and will melee with drone support. I look forward to running both of these characters soon. Now I just need some more details (like a full description of the Infiltrator profile, and some squad loadouts) to feel settled. Do we get to choose from a list for the squad members or do they come preloaded with specific skills and passives? Cool builds! Hope they work out for you  Infiltrator has been shown in quite a couple videos. It gives extra weapon accuracy, stability, tech cooldown and weak zone weapon damage. Also, it'll incorporate some form of seeing enemies through walls. Squads have 3 active and 2 passive skills, I believe. |
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Mar 1, 2017 11:06:42 GMT
This used to be the case in ME3 of course, but I haven't seen it in ME:A for particular skills. You can see it in passives, though, like level 3 and 5 of Offensive Biotics. Right. Seen here:   Boom. I knew I saw something about upgraded primers/detonators.  |
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Post by ProbeAway on Mar 1, 2017 11:44:04 GMT
I haven't been following all the information closely enough, so I may have missed it, but how many passives can Ryder choose to equip? I don't think anyone has answered this for you yet... Passive skills don't need to be equipped. Once you put points into them they always apply, no matter which profile you use. e.g. if you invest in the barrier passive in the biotics tree then this will still give you a shield bonus if you are playing with an infiltrator profile using only tech active skills. On the other hand, passive bonuses granted by unlocking/levelling up a profile only apply while you are using that profile. I think some of the passive skills look pretty amazing, like the weapon passives for combat and the team support passive for tech. Given that we can only load a limited number of active skills into our favourite profiles I'm planning to put plenty of points into passives. |
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Mar 2, 2017 1:06:16 GMT
I seem to be vacillating quite a bit back and forth. May internet-dom be aware that I will reserve the right to be indecisive, and possibly revert to my first proposed scenario.
Outside of trying to pinpoint my perfect, cross-referenced, long-term plan, I think the main reason I am having difficulty settling is that I am worried about the squad makeup not aligning. I am certain I want Jaal on the squad, but it looks like he is a sniper, which would make it tough to pair with Ryder as the same. Jaal could also be without biotics, and would potentially completely remove that tool from the team loadout. I also was an Engineer for the trilogy, so it might be time to try out biotics.
Ah, decisions, decisions. Thanks for all the information that has been shared in general, and to my specific queries.
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Post by Tiberius on Mar 2, 2017 3:00:49 GMT
This thread makes me so very, very happy. Love seeing folks already trying to plot out optimal builds in the new system. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it! |
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Post by ProbeAway on Mar 2, 2017 4:21:20 GMT
I seem to be vacillating quite a bit back and forth. May internet-dom be aware that I will reserve the right to be indecisive, and possibly revert to my first proposed scenario. Outside of trying to pinpoint my perfect, cross-referenced, long-term plan, I think the main reason I am having difficulty settling is that I am worried about the squad makeup not aligning. I am certain I want Jaal on the squad, but it looks like he is a sniper, which would make it tough to pair with Ryder as the same. Jaal could also be without biotics, and would potentially completely remove that tool from the team loadout. I also was an Engineer for the trilogy, so it might be time to try out biotics. Ah, decisions, decisions. Thanks for all the information that has been shared in general, and to my specific queries. You'll be able to respec, so my suggestion would be to just go with what you're most interested in initially. Once you meet Jaal you can check out what powers he has. If they don't fit with your current spec then you can decide whether to respec or go with different squadmates. |
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 2, 2017 6:22:42 GMT
This thread makes me so very, very happy. Love seeing folks already trying to plot out optimal builds in the new system. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it! Glad it makes you happy We're all just excited to get started with mass effect's new chapter! And don't forget to showcase some new skills next video  By special request, I'd like to see some evolution trees of soldier skills! (concussive shot, omni grenade, barrier, ...) |
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Post by colfoley on Mar 2, 2017 7:26:41 GMT
This thread makes me so very, very happy. Love seeing folks already trying to plot out optimal builds in the new system. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it! Something to do while we pass the time. |
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Mar 3, 2017 2:06:20 GMT
This thread makes me so very, very happy. Love seeing folks already trying to plot out optimal builds in the new system. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it! I won't deny that I am still a little sore over losing the power wheel, and having access to a bit larger pool of abilities. But what I do find exciting and somewhat fascinating is how different everyone's Ryder could end up becoming. Barring those players that "min/max" specifically, a lot of people are going to experience their adventure with drastically different loadouts. As an official Bioware team member, would you be able to share whether any of the Biotic passives, say Containment, might have an evolution that would create a percentage chance to produce a stasis field when using duration-based biotics like Singularity or Annihilation? |
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Mar 3, 2017 3:07:17 GMT
I seem to be vacillating quite a bit back and forth. May internet-dom be aware that I will reserve the right to be indecisive, and possibly revert to my first proposed scenario. Outside of trying to pinpoint my perfect, cross-referenced, long-term plan, I think the main reason I am having difficulty settling is that I am worried about the squad makeup not aligning. I am certain I want Jaal on the squad, but it looks like he is a sniper, which would make it tough to pair with Ryder as the same. Jaal could also be without biotics, and would potentially completely remove that tool from the team loadout. I also was an Engineer for the trilogy, so it might be time to try out biotics. Ah, decisions, decisions. Thanks for all the information that has been shared in general, and to my specific queries. You'll be able to respec, so my suggestion would be to just go with what you're most interested in initially. Once you meet Jaal you can check out what powers he has. If they don't fit with your current spec then you can decide whether to respec or go with different squadmates. Well, I slept on it, and came to the conclusion that I want my Ryder to be a "warrior." She will either use the Sentinel Profile or the Explorer Profile. If one of the biotic passives produces a stasis field or some other minor biotic, then I will use Sentinel, if not, then Explorer! With Infiltrator or Explorer being used for the alternate. I had considered using the Vanguard Profile, but I would have to give up one of the Tech abilities for my pair of characters. I would go Explorer for my alt, and could only fit two actives. I absolutely love Invasion, need to have Tactical Cloak, and also love summons! I suppose I could drop the construct active since my canon Shepard was an Engineer with multiple drone powers. |
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Post by Cypher on Mar 3, 2017 5:17:31 GMT
This thread makes me so very, very happy. Love seeing folks already trying to plot out optimal builds in the new system. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it! You're all excited about people plotting out optimal builds and I'm over here just thinking about the most random ass power combos imaginable, even though they won't work and will get me killed more often than not. Charge+Overload+Concussive Shot FTW. |
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Post by ProbeAway on Mar 3, 2017 6:18:01 GMT
This thread makes me so very, very happy. Love seeing folks already trying to plot out optimal builds in the new system. Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it! You're all excited about people plotting out optimal builds and I'm over here just thinking about the most random ass power combos imaginable, even though they won't work and will get me killed more often than not. Charge+Overload+Concussive Shot FTW. Lol I think that combo would work pretty well TBH. Overload to strip shields and prime, charge (and cc) to detonate, cc to keep rushing enemies off you! |
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Post by Cypher on Mar 3, 2017 6:21:20 GMT
You're all excited about people plotting out optimal builds and I'm over here just thinking about the most random ass power combos imaginable, even though they won't work and will get me killed more often than not. Charge+Overload+Concussive Shot FTW. Lol I think that combo would work pretty well TBH. Overload to strip shields and prime, charge (and cc) to detonate, cc to keep rushing enemies off you! No, it's too effective! Tactical Cloak+Shockwave+Cryo Blast. There! To be honest, I'll probably eat through a ridiculous amount of the 300+ ability loadouts before the game is even over. Marksman+Singularity+Sentry Turret! |
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Post by ProbeAway on Mar 3, 2017 6:29:04 GMT
Lol I think that combo would work pretty well TBH. Overload to strip shields and prime, charge (and cc) to detonate, cc to keep rushing enemies off you! No, it's too effective! Tactical Cloak+Shockwave+Cryo Blast. There! To be honest, I'll probably eat through a ridiculous amount of the 300+ ability loadouts before the game is even over. Marksman+Singularity+Sentry Turret! Those look useful too! I think finding incompatible skill combinations is going to be tough. ...Challenge accepted. |
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Post by Cypher on Mar 3, 2017 6:32:32 GMT
No, it's too effective! Tactical Cloak+Shockwave+Cryo Blast. There! To be honest, I'll probably eat through a ridiculous amount of the 300+ ability loadouts before the game is even over. Marksman+Singularity+Sentry Turret! Those look useful too! I think finding incompatible skill combinations is going to be tough. ...Challenge accepted. lol, not so much incompatible, but rather less optimal builds based on encounters. I'm one of those people who's use incinerate on shields and overload on everything. You know, like the IGN dude, except that I don't suck ass. Granted, a properly specc'd overload works on everything since it's how I rapidly kill everything in multiplayer, but I tend to use powers when I feel like it and not always because they're most effective on enemies, especially since Mass Effect isn't the type of game where using the wrong power ends up healing all of the jackasses you're currently fighting. |
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 3, 2017 7:17:34 GMT
No, it's too effective! Tactical Cloak+Shockwave+Cryo Blast. There! To be honest, I'll probably eat through a ridiculous amount of the 300+ ability loadouts before the game is even over. Marksman+Singularity+Sentry Turret! Those look useful too! I think finding incompatible skill combinations is going to be tough. ...Challenge accepted. This is going to be my new favorite way to pass the time in anticipation of ME:A. Example! Soldier with shockwave, invasion and annihilation field! ohhooh! vanguard with assault turret, remnant VI and barricade! Wait a minute... these both actually seem pretty playable... WHAT HAVE U DOEN BIOWER! You've created a game where no matter your build, you'll still be able to make it work! I feel like applause is appropriate here: *initiates slow clap* |
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Post by ProbeAway on Mar 3, 2017 7:28:01 GMT
Explorer with all passives, there, I win. Lol. Maybe this challenge needs some rules... |
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 3, 2017 7:30:08 GMT
Explorer with all passives, there, I win. That's basically the game Vanquish. That's probably the most overpowered build of all! You win NOTHING! Good. DAY! Sir. |
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Post by colfoley on Mar 3, 2017 7:38:54 GMT
Explorer with all passives, there, I win. Lol. Maybe this challenge needs some rules... In the spirit of the game I think the only 'rule' that makes sense is to come up with the weakest build for a particular play style. And generally speaking since I hate short range characters, well maybe hate is a strong word since I did run as a vanguard for a while, but since I prefer...greatly...characters at mid to long range...the worse build for me will probably be a soldier build with Charge/ Nova (specced to fully deplete shields) and either lance which fully deplets shields or...I think that may actually be it...with a sword. |
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