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Post by Fogg on Oct 13, 2016 12:06:10 GMT
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Also, nothing in Mass Effect 3 is made with a sequal in mind. Let alone oen that would take place in Andromeda.
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Post by Arcian on Oct 13, 2016 12:14:33 GMT
Hmm, either they wanted to release the novels this way or the prequel took a little longer than expected to finish. Not that the latter's a bad thing, quality's better than timeliness, just it crashes my book-release theory. I don't know, guess i was hoping to read the prequel to give me something to obsess about before the game's release. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
The prequel is supposed to answer many fan questions including how we got the tech to take us to Andromeda. Some fans will gnash their teeth at breaking possible written in stone Mass Effect Lore. If it turns out to be a silly or superficial explanation, I'll be disgusted and probably won't finish the book.
However, there is a scene with Shep and the Asari Matriarch were she talks about plans for race continuity. Can't remember if it was in ME2.
"Some fans" is not my name, Sartoz.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 13, 2016 12:52:04 GMT
It was ME3. Since it looks like the ships leave before the events of ME3, her words are meaningless ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Ha! I wonder how Flynn explains ".. those races that contributed, we took along...". Of course, a modest contribution in the ARKCON project before the events in ME3 is possible.
My question is "Is the number of individual colonists from each "contributing" race proportional to the "contribution"?
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 13, 2016 13:16:07 GMT
Hmm, either they wanted to release the novels this way or the prequel took a little longer than expected to finish. Not that the latter's a bad thing, quality's better than timeliness, just it crashes my book-release theory. I don't know, guess i was hoping to read the prequel to give me something to obsess about before the game's release. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Jemisin's prequel book coming out after the game is a bummer. I was looking forward to Bio's explanation for some, eh.. "irregularities" concerning intergalactic travel tech to see if my theories have any solidity. The fact is, we left and we arrived centuries later. The game starts, and I'll be ready to play without worrying about how we got there. Frankly, the game has to stand on its own.
Normally, these books have little to do with the actual game events. As a prequel novel, it may deal with how the ARKCON project got started and who the major players are. Throw in some race politics, colonisation goals, training criteria and mission support requirements. The Ryders will not feature in a prominent way, imo.
On a side note. I wonder if Flynn and co. will explain the book delay
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Post by shechinah on Oct 13, 2016 13:37:01 GMT
Hmm, either they wanted to release the novels this way or the prequel took a little longer than expected to finish. Not that the latter's a bad thing, quality's better than timeliness, just it crashes my book-release theory. I don't know, guess i was hoping to read the prequel to give me something to obsess about before the game's release. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Jemisin's prequel book coming out after the game is a bummer. I was looking forward to Bio's explanation for some, eh.. "irregularities" concerning intergalactic travel tech to see if my theories have any solidity. The fact is, we left and we arrived centuries later. The game starts, and I'll be ready to play without worrying about how we got there. Frankly, the game has to stand on its own.
Normally, these books have little to do with the actual game events. As a prequel novel, it may deal with how the ARKCON project got started and who the major players are. Throw in some race politics, colonisation goals, training criteria and mission support requirements. The Ryders will not feature in a prominent way, imo.
On a side note. I wonder if Flynn and co. will explain the book delay
I'll be honest and say that how we got there is not something that bothers me. This is likely because the technology for the most part is a portion of the Mass Effect lore that I am not... protective of for the lack of a better word. I'm more invested in the lore about the races, their cultures and their histories. As far as I can remember, the comics will also have to do with why characters decided to go to Andromeda like their personal reasons so I wouldn't consider it out of bounds that the books or comics will touch upon how the Project got started and possibly have a story pertaining to the ARKs development. I suspect that if there is a Ryder in the books or comics, it'll more than likely be the father. It may mention some details about our Ryder's background like that they did well in Pathfinder school or something but I think it'll mostly remain vague on them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 14:27:17 GMT
I'm really excited about these new books to tie-in with Andromeda, and from good authors such as these, I'm hopeful they may improve on the previous novels by Drew Karpyshyn.
Don't get me wrong, his books Revelation, Ascension and Retribution were good and nicely woven into the trilogy overall, but I found some of his choice of adjectives troubling, and overall his prose wasn't great, but as a storyteller, especially in Ascension which i think is the best one in the series, he is solid.
(yeah not mentioning Deception)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 20:34:14 GMT
I'm really excited about these new books to tie-in with Andromeda, and from good authors such as these, I'm hopeful they may improve on the previous novels by Drew Karpyshyn. Don't get me wrong, his books Revelation, Ascension and Retribution were good and nicely woven into the trilogy overall, but I found some of his choice of adjectives troubling, and overall his prose wasn't great, but as a storyteller, especially in Ascension which i think is the best one in the series, he is solid. (yeah not mentioning Deception) Honestly, Revelation literally bored me to tears. It's pretty bad if I can only remember the Saren and Anderson stuff, and not give a rat's ass about what is in-between. Avoided Ascension and Retribution because of it.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 13, 2016 21:24:31 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Since the prequel novel is coming out AFTER the game launches, does anyone here believe the book will have more on the Ryder family and other squad mates? Let's face it, the book will have no spoilers. It can't talk about Andromeda so what else can Jemisin put into the story besides the major characters?
Come to think about it, is it really worth buying this Not-So-Prequel of a novel.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 13, 2016 22:43:59 GMT
It can't talk about Andromeda so what else can Jemisin put into the story besides the major characters?
My guess is the goings-on in the Milky Way that lead to the Andromeda expedition, and maybe a little bit about what happens after the expedition departs, hooking it back into the lore we know. Setting it entirely in the Milky Way with stay-behind POV characters makes it easier to avoid accidental retcons or conflicts with canon. When Sis Ryder wakes up and says, "We made it," is that just relief about the distance traveled, or was Cerberus trying to blow up the whole thing just as they were departing? Actually, a running conflict with Cerberus that culminates in a premature launch just to avoid getting blown up would explain a lot, like why Mom Ryder isn't on board. Hell, the whole thing could be from the POV of a Cerberus agent. How "Initiation" relates to all that, who knows?
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Post by themikefest on Oct 13, 2016 23:44:04 GMT
Come to think about it, is it really worth buying this Not-So-Prequel of a novel. No.
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Post by bshep on Oct 13, 2016 23:51:11 GMT
It can't talk about Andromeda so what else can Jemisin put into the story besides the major characters?
My guess is the goings-on in the Milky Way that lead to the Andromeda expedition, and maybe a little bit about what happens after the expedition departs, hooking it back into the lore we know. Setting it entirely in the Milky Way with stay-behind POV characters makes it easier to avoid accidental retcons or conflicts with canon. When Sis Ryder wakes up and says, "We made it," is that just relief about the distance traveled, or was Cerberus trying to blow up the whole thing just as they were departing? Actually, a running conflict with Cerberus that culminates in a premature launch just to avoid getting blown up would explain a lot, like why Mom Ryder isn't on board. Hell, the whole thing could be from the POV of a Cerberus agent. How "Initiation" relates to all that, who knows? Did i miss something in the last few days? Cerberus? Or is just some weird idea without evidence that you had?
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Post by shechinah on Oct 14, 2016 0:03:31 GMT
My guess is the goings-on in the Milky Way that lead to the Andromeda expedition, and maybe a little bit about what happens after the expedition departs, hooking it back into the lore we know. Setting it entirely in the Milky Way with stay-behind POV characters makes it easier to avoid accidental retcons or conflicts with canon. When Sis Ryder wakes up and says, "We made it," is that just relief about the distance traveled, or was Cerberus trying to blow up the whole thing just as they were departing? Actually, a running conflict with Cerberus that culminates in a premature launch just to avoid getting blown up would explain a lot, like why Mom Ryder isn't on board. Hell, the whole thing could be from the POV of a Cerberus agent. How "Initiation" relates to all that, who knows? Did i miss something in the last few days? Cerberus? Or is just some weird idea without evidence that you had? Just fun speculation and idea. We haven't heard anything about Cerberus.
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Post by Arcian on Oct 14, 2016 9:14:49 GMT
Did i miss something in the last few days? Cerberus? Or is just some weird idea without evidence that you had? Just fun speculation and idea. We haven't heard anything about Cerberus. Except that part in the leak that mentioned Cerberus ships dropping off enemies.
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Post by Monk on Oct 14, 2016 15:44:27 GMT
This makes Cerberus sound like a bad case of dandruff. And maybe they are at that, a case of technological dandruff, scattered everywhere and we're hoping this time the Sheploo worked in curing it.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 14, 2016 17:47:38 GMT
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I can't decide whether to laugh or cry if Cerberus is in the story. The writers have enough material with the colonisation efforts and surviving the local unfriendlies plus all the other challenges. I don't see the need to introduce old conflicts.
Things change from initial story concepts. Imo, they won't be there.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 14, 2016 22:03:03 GMT
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I can't decide whether to laugh or cry if Cerberus is in the story. The writers have enough material with the colonisation efforts and surviving the local unfriendlies plus all the other challenges. I don't see the need to introduce old conflicts.
I'm not too worried about it. It would be weird to beat their chests about Andromeda being this totally clean slate, fresh start, and then have Cerberus tagging along for a joyride. Talk about old baggage. Of all the things in that alleged leak, the Cerberus stuff sounds the most hoaxy. But for NKJ's prequel book, Cerberus would be totally fair game, if it takes place entirely in the Milky Way, as I speculated.
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Post by legbamel on Oct 15, 2016 0:50:27 GMT
If there's a Cerberus conflict in the game, I hope I get a "renegade interrupt" type of option that allows me to round them up and launch them all out of an airlock, thus deleting any content that forces me to deal with them again.
If they're part of a backstory that explains something about our departure from the Milky Way, I guess I could live with that as long as they get soundly beaten or toasted in the wash of our exhaust. I still haven't gotten over being forced to work for those psychos in ME2.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 15, 2016 14:31:12 GMT
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I can't decide whether to laugh or cry if Cerberus is in the story. The writers have enough material with the colonisation efforts and surviving the local unfriendlies plus all the other challenges. I don't see the need to introduce old conflicts.
I'm not too worried about it. It would be weird to beat their chests about Andromeda being this totally clean slate, fresh start, and then have Cerberus tagging along for a joyride. Talk about old baggage. Of all the things in that alleged leak, the Cerberus stuff sounds the most hoaxy. But for NKJ's prequel book, Cerberus would be totally fair game, if it takes place entirely in the Milky Way, as I speculated. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-. Point.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 18, 2016 20:39:53 GMT
I'm pretty disappointed by the delays, but not surprised. The lack of solid information all but confirmed this long ago. Thanks, Fogg , for keeping abreast of the news. I know you check all the time for new stories and info. Reading is one of the few things I enjoy even more than a good RPG, so I'm sure I'll read these at some point. I'd like to have read them before the game's release, though, to "gather intel" and set the stage. Do they really believe anyone will be putting aside the game to read its companion novel within the first several months after release? I won't buy anything until I am ready to read it. I'd also like to have read them "in order", chronologically speaking. I suspect Ms. Jemisin's novel simply won't be ready in time, thus the change in order of release, and possibly the choice to release at launch, instead of slightly before with the prequel novel. At any rate, I may wait until at least two of these have been released before starting to read, but I'm sure I'll read them at some point. I'm most looking forward to the prequel novel, but it seems that one is still about a year away. 😒 Sigh. I wanted to read about the Andromeda Initiative, ole N7 dad on the cover, and so on. It will be a bit less exciting a year from now-- still interesting, perhaps, but less urgently so. I'm a bit torn between hoping the novels are still relevant by then, and hoping they don't contain a bunch of info that should've just been included in the game's narrative. "Mass Effect: Revelation" had a good balance in this regard. It's info didn't Impact ME's narrative, but enriched the setting and characters if you read it.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 19, 2016 5:51:02 GMT
[...] I'm a bit torn between hoping the novels are still relevant by then, and hoping they don't contain a bunch of info that should've just been included in the game's narrative. "Mass Effect: Revelation" had a good balance in this regard. It's info didn't Impact ME's narrative, but enriched the setting and characters if you read it. Does it really matter from where you get your narrative from? As long as its an official Mass Effect story, it should all come together. I trust Bioware to be able to balance it all, just like you said back then with the ME Revelation book.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 21, 2016 3:59:33 GMT
[...] I'm a bit torn between hoping the novels are still relevant by then, and hoping they don't contain a bunch of info that should've just been included in the game's narrative. "Mass Effect: Revelation" had a good balance in this regard. It's info didn't Impact ME's narrative, but enriched the setting and characters if you read it. Does it really matter from where you get your narrative from? As long as its an official Mass Effect story, it should all come together. I trust Bioware to be able to balance it all, just like you said back then with the ME Revelation book. It matters a bit since the timing is now thrown out of sorts. Our prequel is now arriving no sooner than 6 months post-game, which kind of stinks. It's not a huge deal, but it's unfortunate that the original plan couldn't be realized. As you say, since I'll eventually read the novels anyway, it won't make too big a difference. I, too, am fairly confident that they'll execute it well. DAI did a terrible job of tying the novels into its narrative, but that's the DA team. The ME and DA team have each proven to have differing strengths and weaknesses, over the years. I've not read any novels from these writers, as of yet; but I'm excited that they come so highly recommended and with accolades. I'm eager to read these stories.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 21, 2016 15:20:27 GMT
Does it really matter from where you get your narrative from? As long as its an official Mass Effect story, it should all come together. I trust Bioware to be able to balance it all, just like you said back then with the ME Revelation book. It matters a bit since the timing is now thrown out of sorts. Our prequel is now arriving no sooner than 6 months post-game, which kind of stinks. It's not a huge deal, but it's unfortunate that the original plan couldn't be realized. As you say, since I'll eventually read the novels anyway, it won't make too big a difference. I, too, am fairly confident that they'll execute it well. DAI did a terrible job of tying the novels into its narrative, but that's the DA team. The ME and DA team have each proven to have differing strengths and weaknesses, over the years. I've not read any novels from these writers, as of yet; but I'm excited that they come so highly recommended and with accolades. I'm eager to read these stories. Yeah, I know what you mean. As I've written earlier, I read ME: Revelation even before playing ME1 (due to all sorts of reasons, mainly technical) and I had a really good time going through the story in order...
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 21, 2016 15:26:14 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Jemisin, with a nod from Bio, could say in the prequel novel that the Alliance scientists or the Salarians discovered a new property from Ooooozo, experimentation. This new property allowed them to build a trans-galactic drive that took about 600 years to get to Andromeda. After all, it doesn't mean that ALL SCIENCE was discovered by the Protheans.
I can accept if she just sticks with character development and how the ARKCON project came to be and leaves the ARK's engine tech to be mentioned in the game, if at all. The latter makes sense because Flynn mentioned Andromeda opens up with use fleeing the MW. This allows Jemisin to fill in the details that lead up to the ARK fleet escaping from the Reaper threat. The player takes control, once Ryder says "we made it". After the CC options are done, it's game on.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 21, 2016 15:34:22 GMT
Has anyone ever read the book that came with the game "Homeworld"? I remember I read it all and the level of depth they went with it was awe inspiring. They told the entire pre-story of how they developed their technology and joined together from being separated clans to building their mothership. I just hope they do that same for the new ME game...
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
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Post by goishen on Oct 21, 2016 15:59:43 GMT
Hmm, either they wanted to release the novels this way or the prequel took a little longer than expected to finish. Not that the latter's a bad thing, quality's better than timeliness, just it crashes my book-release theory. I don't know, guess i was hoping to read the prequel to give me something to obsess about before the game's release. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Jemisin's prequel book coming out after the game is a bummer. I was looking forward to Bio's explanation for some, eh.. "irregularities" concerning intergalactic travel tech to see if my theories have any solidity. The fact is, we left and we arrived centuries later. The game starts, and I'll be ready to play without worrying about how we got there. Frankly, the game has to stand on its own.
Normally, these books have little to do with the actual game events. As a prequel novel, it may deal with how the ARKCON project got started and who the major players are. Throw in some race politics, colonisation goals, training criteria and mission support requirements. The Ryders will not feature in a prominent way, imo.
On a side note. I wonder if Flynn and co. will explain the book delay
Actually, I'm not convinced it will be a prequel now.
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