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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 9, 2016 9:03:02 GMT
Such uninformed much confused very sensitive wow. - Denuvo is made by the same people that did SecuROM.
- Denuvo is advertised as "Anti-Tamper" that protects existing DRM, but Denuvo requires it's own online activation for each game.
- Denuvo is Windows OS 64bit exclusive, games that use Denuvo but port to Linux/Mac do not have Denuvo on the Linux/Mac version of the game, sometimes they also include VMProtect to prevent emulation, which is also incompatible with Wine and other Windows emulating programs, this further deters publishers from releasing a Linux/Mac port the same date as Windows.
- Denuvo remains in the system even after the application that uses it is uninstalled.
- Denuvo creates a unique hardware key for each game by collecting information on the purchase and hardware it's done from.
- Denuvo doesn't constantly read/write to storage, it uses 64bit encryption and obfuscation techniques to hide it's code from debugging within the executable of the game, Microsoft uses UWP in Windows Store games, another similar DRM to Denuvo called Arxan used in a few games but easier to crack.
- Changing hardware can temporarily lock you out of all your Denuvo games for 24 hours, wherein it recollects hardware information again and requires online activation again.
- Denuvo games can be played only temporarily offline, it requires a online re-authentication after an unspecified amount of time, which after you can play offline again till the next re-authentication.
- Booting your system while it's offline makes Denuvo games unplayable until you reconnect back to the internet for Denuvo to re-authenticate, even if you activated the game before booting.
- Performance impact of Denuvo is unknown, there is no published benchmark of a game before and after Denuvo removal.
- Denuvo doesn't prevent modding, it only affects the executable.
- 13/53 (24.53%) games that use Denuvo are cracked.
- Fastest Denuvo game cracked in 1-2 days, longest 6 months.
- Despite being used since 2014 on games, no company has published sales figures.
- It's unknown if Denuvo will be compatible on newer systems after/if they go out of business, publishers won't waste time and money on removing DRM from old games, they didn't bother with SecuROM/GFWL games, which now require cracks and other workaround to be playable on newer PCs.
- There are websites specifically dedicated to unlocking Denuvo games for $1-$5, which work, there are also sites where people sell keys to all games which were bought using stolen credit cards, reselling them for a little less than other official sites, which means the publishers/developers don't get the money.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 13:45:29 GMT
It makes me laugh the way PC users complain they always get shitty ports and wonder why. This is why. Console piracy is much less frequent than PC games. You're only hurting yourselves. Batman Arkham Knight was a classic example of why developers spend the bare minimum on PC development. Ah well, there's always Star Citizen haha! Are you seriously blaming PC users who pay full price on games and DON'T pirate games for the fact that piracy exists? What the fuck kind of backward logic is that? Want to play on inferior outdated machines which are locked to the whims of their respective producers? Be my guest. I on the other hand, am going to continue enjoying the many advantages of my PC, not the least of which is the ability to mod or use KB+M. If there's a shitty console port I will avoid buying it and bash it like it deserves. And considering that PC sales numbers are rising rather than falling, your point is moot anyway. Listen sunshine you clearly need an education that isn't written on a wikipedia page for you. So here goes. Piracy is more prevelant on PC than console. That is a fact. You can call yourselves whatever race you choose to but the fact still remains that piracy is the number one cause of PC users getting inferior ports. I'm not saying everyone pirates I'm saying that its a serious enough financial problem to warrant this kind of action. My machine is not inferior. I still get to play and enjoy the game the way it was designed and i dont need to change lines of code to do so.(Mods) Keyboard and mouse makes your machine better than mine? How? since we both have to use both hands to operate them? unless somehow you can do both with one hand...no? didnt think so. So why dont you sit down over there in the corner and have a cup of shut the fuck up. I think you seriously need to go out and educate yourself on whats really happening instead of screaming about how you can run a game at 60 fps. Now off you go to tell the internet how Dark Souls has the greates combat ever designed. I also suggest you go and look the word moot up since it doesnt mean what you think it means. Whether numbers are rising or falling that doesnt mean the quality of your PC games are getting any better it just means people dont fucking care about getting a shitty port.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 14:00:30 GMT
...My machine is not inferior... Keep telling that to yourself "sunshine"... Who didnt get The Last of Us?... you. Who didnt get Red Dead Redemption on PC? You. Who got GTA V months after console users were finished and had moved on to greener pastures?... You. Who got a crappy Arkham Knight port? ... Checking..... oh you again. Who got the mobile phone version of Civ? Downgraded version of Watch Dogs? I have to stop here because I dont have the time to educate you on the history of video games. Would you like to explain to me again how exactly your machine is superior to mine since devs seem to favour my machine over yours? Yeah thats what I thought.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 9, 2016 14:43:39 GMT
Keep telling that to yourself "sunshine"... Who didnt get The Last of Us?... you. Who didnt get Red Dead Redemption on PC? You. Who got GTA V months after console users were finished and had moved on to greener pastures?... You. Who got a crappy Arkham Knight port? ... Checking..... oh you again. Who got the mobile phone version of Civ? Downgraded version of Watch Dogs? I have to stop here because I dont have the time to educate you on the history of video games. Would you like to explain to me again how exactly your machine is superior to mine since devs seem to favour my machine over yours? Yeah thats what I thought. 1) We don't know what platform has more piracy, but we know it exists everywhere. 2) Comparing a few games between platforms doesn't make one superior then the other it becomes about preference to the individual on the platform. For me PC is a better platform because I have more options I can play the games I bought in the 90s, use a Kb/M or a controller if I want, use mods to customize the gameplay experience or fix a problem with the game, I can play the game at a constant framerate (which is why I stopped console gaming), or adjust my PC settings to match my personal preferences.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 19:27:58 GMT
Who didnt get The Last of Us?... you. Who didnt get Red Dead Redemption on PC? You. Who got GTA V months after console users were finished and had moved on to greener pastures?... You. Who got a crappy Arkham Knight port? ... Checking..... oh you again. Who got the mobile phone version of Civ? Downgraded version of Watch Dogs? I have to stop here because I dont have the time to educate you on the history of video games. Would you like to explain to me again how exactly your machine is superior to mine since devs seem to favour my machine over yours? Yeah thats what I thought. 1) We don't know what platform has more piracy, but we know it exists everywhere. 2) Comparing a few games between platforms doesn't make one superior then the other it becomes about preference to the individual on the platform. For me PC is a better platform because I have more options I can play the games I bought in the 90s, use a Kb/M or a controller if I want, use mods to customize the gameplay experience or fix a problem with the game, I can play the game at a constant framerate (which is why I stopped console gaming), or adjust my PC settings to match my personal preferences. 1) Yes we do, look at the numbers, they are out there. 2) Yes it does. Devs are always in favour of a platform they are going to lose LESS money on. Your argument is akin to an F-16 pilot and an F1 driver arguing who has the better mechanics for operating their vehicle. You picked the wrong side son. Consoles are where the money is at. Unless you count Star Citizen. I know its something you might not want to think about but its the truth. The only difference is that the developers cant say anything because they would lose what little money they already get from PC titles.
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Post by Kantr on Dec 9, 2016 19:53:10 GMT
1) We don't know what platform has more piracy, but we know it exists everywhere. 2) Comparing a few games between platforms doesn't make one superior then the other it becomes about preference to the individual on the platform. For me PC is a better platform because I have more options I can play the games I bought in the 90s, use a Kb/M or a controller if I want, use mods to customize the gameplay experience or fix a problem with the game, I can play the game at a constant framerate (which is why I stopped console gaming), or adjust my PC settings to match my personal preferences. 1) Yes we do, look at the numbers, they are out there. 2) Yes it does. Devs are always in favour of a platform they are going to lose LESS money on. Your argument is akin to an F-16 pilot and an F1 driver arguing who has the better mechanics for operating their vehicle. You picked the wrong side son. Consoles are where the money is at. Unless you count Star Citizen. I know its something you might not want to think about but its the truth. The only difference is that the developers cant say anything because they would lose what little money they already get from PC titles. Denuvo and piracy weren't the reason for crappy ports. As for your points. Publishers want to make the most money so some will stick to what they can do (pc or consoles) while others will do both.
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Post by Argahawk on Dec 9, 2016 22:04:45 GMT
I'm not a fan on Denuvo but I hope they will use the newest version of it so everyone who want to get for free will have to wait at least couple weeks/months before someone crack it.
Ps. but to be honest I hope that this time they will invest more money in better MP protection as we all know we will have cheaters in almost every match.
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Post by thedarkprince on Dec 10, 2016 6:25:32 GMT
Why would anyone but pirates care?...
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Post by thedarkprince on Dec 10, 2016 6:27:32 GMT
The best protection against piracy is to make a game so good people want to buy it. You sound very naive my friend. Pirates do what they do because they can. The game can literally he perfect, and pirates will still pirate the game. The Witcher 3 was voted the best PC game ever. And yes it has been pirated a lot.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 10, 2016 7:37:53 GMT
Are you seriously blaming PC users who pay full price on games and DON'T pirate games for the fact that piracy exists? What the fuck kind of backward logic is that? Want to play on inferior outdated machines which are locked to the whims of their respective producers? Be my guest. I on the other hand, am going to continue enjoying the many advantages of my PC, not the least of which is the ability to mod or use KB+M. If there's a shitty console port I will avoid buying it and bash it like it deserves. And considering that PC sales numbers are rising rather than falling, your point is moot anyway. Listen sunshine you clearly need an education that isn't written on a wikipedia page for you. So here goes. Piracy is more prevelant on PC than console. That is a fact. You can call yourselves whatever race you choose to but the fact still remains that piracy is the number one cause of PC users getting inferior ports. I'm not saying everyone pirates I'm saying that its a serious enough financial problem to warrant this kind of action. My machine is not inferior. I still get to play and enjoy the game the way it was designed and i dont need to change lines of code to do so.(Mods) Keyboard and mouse makes your machine better than mine? How? since we both have to use both hands to operate them? unless somehow you can do both with one hand...no? didnt think so. So why dont you sit down over there in the corner and have a cup of shut the fuck up. I think you seriously need to go out and educate yourself on whats really happening instead of screaming about how you can run a game at 60 fps. Now off you go to tell the internet how Dark Souls has the greates combat ever designed. I also suggest you go and look the word moot up since it doesnt mean what you think it means. Whether numbers are rising or falling that doesnt mean the quality of your PC games are getting any better it just means people dont fucking care about getting a shitty port. If you can't tell the difference between keyboard/mouse controls and a game controller, there is no help for you. Nobody needs a mod to play a game on the PC. And... mods add value to a games longevity. Doubt me? Look at Skyrim. No wait, look at the nexus page that hosts mods for game after game after game. Mods have become so popular that the gaming industry is trying to integrate them into their consoles. Games not only get more framerates on the PC, they can be modded to look better than the console version. A couple examples, I can play Mass Effect 1 with high resolution mods and no jaggies. I can also play it with uniforms modded for the Alliance that look the way they did in ME3. You just can't get that kind of experience on a console. Mods also offer bugfixes that console games never see from their publisher. Even UI improvements for both gamepad and keyboard/mouse users. People don't care about getting a shitty port? Make assumptions much? Even better question... make stupid assumptions much? Have you even paid attention to this forum? To any forum? That's all people do is scrutinize their gaming experience. It's become a hobby ever since the invention of the forum. Step out and educate yourself. Look at what the console industry is doing. They're doing their best to emulate the PC experience. Both Microsoft and Sony are quickly upgrading their hardware for both platforms. That's to simulate the video card experience that we've enjoyed in the PC market for over a decade. On the PC I can play games that I used to play on my old Sega Genesis or Intellivision. Emulators abound. The simple fact is there's just far more power and flexibility with the PC than there is with any console. Your machine is inferior. It's just a fact. All that said, more power to ya if you want to play on consoles. I don't judge. Your gaming experience and what you want is all up to you. I don't think anyone is stupid for buying consoles or liking them. They're offering a better and better experience as our technology improves.
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Post by Verro on Dec 10, 2016 7:46:25 GMT
The best protection against piracy is to make a game so good people want to buy it. That is a falsehood there might be people that feel that way, but people are still going to pirate for other reasons. Such as "Screw BioWare Mass Effect 3 killed my childhood" or "AAA games are not worth $80" another "I want to play it now, but I only way to pay a sale price" or "I want to demo the game for two months and then I will decide if I want to pay for it". So? Those people would have never bought the game anyway.
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Post by fredvdp on Dec 10, 2016 9:44:24 GMT
Denuvo isn't secuROM. It's been years, bring in solid proof or stfu about the dangers of it. The only downside for end users i have read was high HDD/SSD disk read/write problems, but this argument is now 2 years old and i havent heard from newer releases that they cause problems. I believe this was debunked. The argument was that the application rewrites itself to prevent tampering, but Windows doesn't allow a running executable to rewrite itself. I don't know how much of this is true, but you could monitor disk reads and writes while running an application. Here's a thread of someone who did this.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 10, 2016 10:20:35 GMT
Whilst probably a digression, I like playing games on my Xbox from my sofa because: - No installation issues
- No 'dodgy ports'
- No worries about whether my machine will run it
- No Denuvo debate
- No piracy debate
Sure, games are likely marginally prettier (which I have trouble differentiating), higher frame rate, and (depending on when I buy) certainly cheaper than a digital Xbox download.
But PC players experience some considerable hassle for their advantages.
(and why all the angst and controversy? )
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Post by Kantr on Dec 10, 2016 11:41:37 GMT
Whilst probably a digression, I like playing games on my Xbox from my sofa because: - No installation issues
- No 'dodgy ports'
- No worries about whether my machine will run it
- No Denuvo debate
- No piracy debate
Sure, games are likely marginally prettier (which I have trouble differentiating), higher frame rate, and (depending on when I buy) certainly cheaper than a digital Xbox download.
But PC players experience some considerable hassle for their advantages.
(and why all the angst and controversy? ) It's controversial because people feel it has an impact on performance despite there not being any evidence. I can understand the allure of the convenience of console games (particulaily as my system is bit below the lowest specs for Dishonored 2)and some really good exclusives (The last of us & halo). I think despite steam sometimes being a pita about downloading pc gaming is still much more convenient than consoles for me. Anything that stops piracy is great but it can't come at a cost of making games trickier to play. Steam and Origin just about manage it. Uplay doesn't, particularly as any games sold by ubisoft on steam have to use steam and then uplay to launch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 12:38:10 GMT
If you can't tell the difference between keyboard/mouse controls and a game controller, there is no help for you. Nobody needs a mod to play a game on the PC. And... mods add value to a games longevity. Doubt me? Look at Skyrim. No wait, look at the nexus page that hosts mods for game after game after game. Mods have become so popular that the gaming industry is trying to integrate them into their consoles. Games not only get more framerates on the PC, they can be modded to look better than the console version. A couple examples, I can play Mass Effect 1 with high resolution mods and no jaggies. I can also play it with uniforms modded for the Alliance that look the way they did in ME3. You just can't get that kind of experience on a console. Mods also offer bugfixes that console games never see from their publisher. Even UI improvements for both gamepad and keyboard/mouse users. People don't care about getting a shitty port? Make assumptions much? Even better question... make stupid assumptions much? Have you even paid attention to this forum? To any forum? That's all people do is scrutinize their gaming experience. It's become a hobby ever since the invention of the forum. Step out and educate yourself. Look at what the console industry is doing. They're doing their best to emulate the PC experience. Both Microsoft and Sony are quickly upgrading their hardware for both platforms. That's to simulate the video card experience that we've enjoyed in the PC market for over a decade. On the PC I can play games that I used to play on my old Sega Genesis or Intellivision. Emulators abound. The simple fact is there's just far more power and flexibility with the PC than there is with any console. Your machine is inferior. It's just a fact. All that said, more power to ya if you want to play on consoles. I don't judge. Your gaming experience and what you want is all up to you. I don't think anyone is stupid for buying consoles or liking them. They're offering a better and better experience as our technology improves. First of all, I didnt say there wasnt a difference visually. I said a keyboard and mouse isnt superior over a controller. they both require two hands to operate. Mods add longevity and not actual gameplay... yeah of course.....NOT. I never said people dont care I said they need to admit the reasons why they get them on PC. Consoles are not trying to emulate PC's. Upgrading your hardware has nothing to do with emulating anything. where are you getting this from? 4 iterations of Playstation in 20 years compared to how many new graphics cards? How many new processors? and you still get games released at 30 fps. what does that tell you? That developers dont respect you. Sony started releasing old classics like Renegade etc on the PSN store. Emulations are theft by the way just so you're clear on that. Again, im not saying your machine isnt more powerful. I'm saying your machine isnt superior to mine. Devs hate you. you are the absolute cancer of the gaming world. Look at the examples ive given you and tell me I'm wrong? Why if PC gaming was so much better and brought in so much more money would a dev like Rockstar choose not to bring a game to that platform? Piracy plain and simple. Criminals dont exactly carry a sack with the word swag written on it these days do they? You sir, need to educate yourself of business (and law) instead of trouting the same old shit that people are sick and tired of hearing about how your PC is more powerful. Devs dont care about that shit when they are losing money to theft and illegal copyright infringments. I play on a console because I dont care about 60 fps or how shiny stuff looks. Games relax me. You should try it sometime.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 10, 2016 13:25:00 GMT
Whilst probably a digression, I like playing games on my Xbox from my sofa because: - No installation issues
- No 'dodgy ports'
- No worries about whether my machine will run it
- No Denuvo debate
- No piracy debate
Sure, games are likely marginally prettier (which I have trouble differentiating), higher frame rate, and (depending on when I buy) certainly cheaper than a digital Xbox download.
But PC players experience some considerable hassle for their advantages.
(and why all the angst and controversy? ) As I was trying to say before it really becomes about personal preference and what trade-offs a player prefers over another. Right now I think part of the problem is that PC users are tired of getting tired of broken ports, but at the same time I know console users (and I am not saying all) are tired of chasing PC buzzwords such as the latest 4K pipe dream. So then instead of pointing at a solution people blaming the other platform for what they don't like about their platform.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 10, 2016 15:06:05 GMT
yes, Andromeda will have Denuvo, as DA:I has, if it gets cracked a month a year or more, it doesn't matter, it will not be cracked at launch that's for sure i don't like denuvo, for it affects performance negatively, and it's very intrussive, Please stop perpetuating that myth you can't detect the effects of it. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 10, 2016 15:33:03 GMT
yes, Andromeda will have Denuvo, as DA:I has, if it gets cracked a month a year or more, it doesn't matter, it will not be cracked at launch that's for sure i don't like denuvo, for it affects performance negatively, and it's very intrussive, Denuvo's performance impact has never been proven. Please stop spouting the "anti-piracy measures negatively impact performance and are intrusive" rhetoric without any evidence. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
LOL Ditto for you. On a technical level, the addition of Denuvo constitutes additional resource requirements, in terms of memory, CPU utilization and disk I/O. This is self evident. We may argue over the percentage of the negative performance impact.... but there is one, nevertheless. For OneDenuvo is additional program code baked into the main Andromeda execution file. Thus the exec memory footprint increased. For TwoDenuvo is designed to check for memory tampering. This requires CPU cycles. The code itself may encrypt the variables being monitored. From an anti-tampering point of view these variables need to be encrypted. To monitor for possible tampering the memory values are compared to backup encrypted ones. Since monitored values legally change over time (ie: think XP) they must be encrypted, backed up and decrypted when called for. Denuvo, then, is constantly on the lookout for tampering. For Three
Depending on the design, encrypted values may be stored on disk, then retrieved when a value check is required. Depending how often this is done the disk may be inundated with both Read and Write I/O requests. Bottom LineBasically, any additional program code other than the vanilla game code is an overhead that affects performance.The real question is how much of a negative impact.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Dec 10, 2016 20:59:46 GMT
Console or PC, DRM or no, forums rules and expectations still apply folks. Do not use personal attacks against other users. Keep it clean.
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Post by Natashina on Dec 10, 2016 22:32:09 GMT
<puts on mod hat>
To add to what Cricket said:
There is nothing in the rules that says that folks cannot debate about platforms. Personal attacks aren't tolerated, but being sarcasic to a poster is not against the rules. Calling someone "sunshine" in sarcasm is well within the rules. The occasional bit of snark is fine, but a heated debate isn't automatically trolling. The mods work as a team to make sure that we are fair but consistent. Any and all reports are reviewed by us to verify context. None of us work in a vacuum.
Discussing the differences between PC and console are fine provided that a level of civility is maintained. Reports regarding the debate will be disregarded if there is no personal attacks, spam or adult material. Calling a stance or a point of view stupid is allowed. Saying that someone is stupid is not.
Thank you.
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Post by cryptic137 on Dec 11, 2016 12:56:02 GMT
You sir, need to educate yourself of business (and law) instead of trouting the same old shit that people are sick and tired of hearing about how your PC is more powerful. Devs dont care about that shit when they are losing money to theft and illegal copyright infringments. I play on a console because I dont care about 60 fps or how shiny stuff looks. Games relax me. You should try it sometime. while this pc masterrace stuff is really getting annoying, there is an important thing to say: People like what they like and right now in the current industry, its a fact that pc gamers are screwed over and over again by bad porting, but in many cases its "just" the controls and in other cases it gets borderline unplayable. Fact is that companies make most money on consoles but that has nothing to do with piracy. in the last 2 years piracy became somewhat of a joke due to copy protections and other tricks (like ubisoft destroying their savegames when its a pirated game). piracy, especially with denuvo now is nothing more but a stigmata and an excuse to ride on the assumption train to say that pc gamers are all pirates. yes there are people who pirate, but there also are many people who pirate and little later buy the game, granted its still piracy but they still support their game developer. there was a study and if i find it i will provide the link later, that GAME piracy is taking a huge step back. piracy was a trend over 10 years ago but the mostly younger people grew up and can afford to buy games now was the TL:DR version of that article. In fact the only real problem with piracy is with movies and TV series, thus netflix and other streaming platform were born and they had an impact, since many pirates wanted to support what they loved to watch. now onto the pc/console thingy: Consoles dominate the market, thus PCs are only as good as the current consoles. if there was a graphics card that adds 1000% performance from the current best performung GPU, it would simply have no reason to exist. before the new console gen was released the PC hardware stagnated for years. my hardware was 5 years old when the next gen came out and i was still able to play almost all games on their highest settings with no fps impact whatsoever. So even if PC people (like myself) dont like it, we are dependand on console development. This pc masterrace thing is a joke and it was inteded to be a joke, but people went over the top. when a new console hardware is released, you as a pc player have to be happy because you finally dont get year old technology in games. yes PC hardware can be better but its no use to be better when the softwaretechnology is old. and the fps settings are purely a habit. personally i like watching movies on ~35 fps because its displayed like this in cinemas as well, so i think that watching a movie on a 100hz TV is ugly and unnatural. as a console player you are limited to 30 fps, but 30 fps is enough for many games (although i must say, dark souls 3 with 60 fps looked way more beautiful ) there are downsides to PC and there are downsides to console, yet these systems are intertwined..... so i dont get all the hate. Is it exclusive gaming? Is it forcing your will onto other because you think you are right? A person can make their own choices and telling people to be wrong without an argument that is not "my schlong is longer than yours" is just wrong and disrepsectful. but then again, the online gaming trend shows that people are just disrespectful in general. TL;DR: Piracy isnt what it once was, main problem is not with gaming but movies. PCs & Consoles are dependant so a masterrace discussion is wasting time.
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Post by Kantr on Dec 11, 2016 19:04:50 GMT
Denuvo's performance impact has never been proven. Please stop spouting the "anti-piracy measures negatively impact performance and are intrusive" rhetoric without any evidence. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
LOL Ditto for you. On a technical level, the addition of Denuvo constitutes additional resource requirements, in terms of memory, CPU utilization and disk I/O. This is self evident. We may argue over the percentage of the negative performance impact.... but there is one, nevertheless. For OneDenuvo is additional program code baked into the main Andromeda execution file. Thus the exec memory footprint increased. For TwoDenuvo is designed to check for memory tampering. This requires CPU cycles. The code itself may encrypt the variables being monitored. From an anti-tampering point of view these variables need to be encrypted. To monitor for possible tampering the memory values are compared to backup encrypted ones. Since monitored values legally change over time (ie: think XP) they must be encrypted, backed up and decrypted when called for. Denuvo, then, is constantly on the lookout for tampering. For Three
Depending on the design, encrypted values may be stored on disk, then retrieved when a value check is required. Depending how often this is done the disk may be inundated with both Read and Write I/O requests. Bottom LineBasically, any additional program code other than the vanilla game code is an overhead that affects performance.The real question is how much of a negative impact. IF there was a big performance hit though, there would have been howls of outrage. Doom would be a game to test it against if someone had the game before it was updated to remove it and the non denuvo version on the same machine then it could be tested to see how much of a performance hit. On modern systems there's a lot going on even when a game is running (you've got steam or Origin doing their thing in the background (and even more). Honestly I think this topic has been argued to the death now.
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Post by MasterJukes on Dec 11, 2016 19:51:32 GMT
yes, Andromeda will have Denuvo, as DA:I has, if it gets cracked a month a year or more, it doesn't matter, it will not be cracked at launch that's for sure i don't like denuvo, for it affects performance negatively, and it's very intrussive, I have played all the game that have been released using Denuvo as DRM and NEVER had any performance issues. I really believe this was a myth created by people with computers that aren't strong enough to get the game to run on Ultra Settings and stable 60 fps or the game was simply badly optmized at release and they were blaming on Denuvo. When Inquisition was released I used to have some frame drops, but nothing very aggressive, it was like from 60 frames to 55 or 52 and that's considering I was playing on Ultra Settings, Rise of the Tomb Raider never gave me any performance issues and it was released with Denuvo, even before the game got its updates I was running it at 60 frames even with the PureHair effects activated.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 12, 2016 1:59:05 GMT
*´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
LOL Ditto for you. On a technical level, the addition of Denuvo constitutes additional resource requirements, in terms of memory, CPU utilization and disk I/O. This is self evident. We may argue over the percentage of the negative performance impact.... but there is one, nevertheless. For OneDenuvo is additional program code baked into the main Andromeda execution file. Thus the exec memory footprint increased. For TwoDenuvo is designed to check for memory tampering. This requires CPU cycles. The code itself may encrypt the variables being monitored. From an anti-tampering point of view these variables need to be encrypted. To monitor for possible tampering the memory values are compared to backup encrypted ones. Since monitored values legally change over time (ie: think XP) they must be encrypted, backed up and decrypted when called for. Denuvo, then, is constantly on the lookout for tampering. For Three
Depending on the design, encrypted values may be stored on disk, then retrieved when a value check is required. Depending how often this is done the disk may be inundated with both Read and Write I/O requests. Bottom LineBasically, any additional program code other than the vanilla game code is an overhead that affects performance.The real question is how much of a negative impact. IF there was a big performance hit though, there would have been howls of outrage. Doom would be a game to test it against if someone had the game before it was updated to remove it and the non denuvo version on the same machine then it could be tested to see how much of a performance hit. On modern systems there's a lot going on even when a game is running (you've got steam or Origin doing their thing in the background (and even more). Honestly I think this topic has been argued to the death now. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Hmm.. argued by who? In any case, I find it interesting that Bio is setting FPS at 30.
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Post by Kantr on Dec 12, 2016 10:40:34 GMT
IF there was a big performance hit though, there would have been howls of outrage. Doom would be a game to test it against if someone had the game before it was updated to remove it and the non denuvo version on the same machine then it could be tested to see how much of a performance hit. On modern systems there's a lot going on even when a game is running (you've got steam or Origin doing their thing in the background (and even more). Honestly I think this topic has been argued to the death now. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Hmm.. argued by who? In any case, I find it interesting that Bio is setting FPS at 30. By everyone. How do you know that Mass Effect Andromeda will be limited to 30 FPS? Is that something they've announced or something you've made up because they'll probably be using Denuvo. Consoles (and shoddy ports) are always limited at 30pfs (mafia 3....)
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