The elephant in the room

I would say with all reapers being destroyed, the threat of any indoctrination is removed. I wouldn't worry about being near them. As I said above. Most likely they will be melted down to be used to build parts for rebuilding the galaxy.

It's ambiguous.  They talk about it being a "dead god" that still dreams.  Like, obviously, Cthulhu.  My interpretation of "dead" was that maybe the "consciousness" was no longer functioning but the autonomous stuff still worked.  

Like I said, better safe than sorry.  Completely destroy the Reapers.  Others have suggested melting them down to use for rebuilding.  I would say that would work just as well since I don't think the materials themselves cause indoctrination, just the technology.

I'd be okay with Control if I could still be human Shepard controlling "immortal" Reapers that I sent into the nearest star.   Not really looking to spend eternity as a Reaper.

Oh Reaper technology would definitely give the galaxy an advantage, but they might suffer from it still. Like the Krogan did when they were given technology that they weren't ready for. 

That's exactly what I'm saying about the geth. Even if they have memories they could interpret them in several different ways. I'm sure the synthetics wouldn't trust organics after their genocide, and they would be right but personally I stopped trusting the geth when they wanted to upload that Reaper code to all their units. Ashley wasn't actually wrong, even the other organics didn't want to help each other, like the Asari, so it's not surprising that the same would apply to the synthetics. I never actually spared the geth on Rannoch so I committed genocide early in the game.

Yeah the relations with synthetics would be bad, but they probably won't be rebuilt with the Reaper code, so they could be less intelligent like before, or the organics could wipe all memory of their genocide to avoid this conflict. I'm not saying it's ethical but it could happen.

Rapid technological advancements that out pace their social ability to use them is a very strong possibility.

The thing with synthetic life is they are almost an eventuality with the continual development of technology. The Geth are idiots compared to the VI technology that would be possible using reverse engineered Reaper Tech and we already know the Geth gained sentience all on their own without the Quarians even attempting to vaugly program such into them. It isn't like reading some pressure gauge that you know the pipe will burst at 100 PSI so you purposefully keep it at 95 PSI and never have to worry.

Ashley was and wasn't entirely wrong. Races were hesitant to pledge support to Shepard but not because they were selfish and didn't care about themselves. But a combination of Shepard being  a total dick about how he wanted to get their help and the fact they had nothing to spare. Next time you replay the trilogy actually pay attention to how Shepard acts when trying to gain support. He goes about it in the same diplomatic way as a ham sandwich.  As every race is fighting with all they have Shepard walks in and demands they redirect troops, supplies and resources towards the Alliance to help retake Earth.  WTF makes Earth any more special then Palavin or Thessia or Tuchunka or Sur'Kes? It is only after Shepard steps in and provides them with the needed extra resources to allow them to divert some troops, ships, resources that they willingly do so. There is a very big difference between purposefully screwing other people over for your own gain and simply not being able to help them without hurting yourself. Not picking a friend up from work at 10pm at night because you met someone at a bar and think you might get lucky isn't the same as working 2 jobs and needing to be a sleep by 9pm to wake up to go to your job at 7am then your next job at 3pm and having a 16 hour work day so you need your rest. 

It is an interesting distinction to not trust the Geth for wanting to use the Reaper code to upgrade themselves but you apparently trust the rest of the races in the galaxy to make use of the reverse engineered Reaper tech that we have like Thanix cannons (penetrate all known shielding) and Hydra Missile Launchers (perfect friend/foe detection) and I'm sure there were other items created though reverse engineering Reaper tech that was used to improve the combat capabilities and technology of some race in some fashion. But when the Geth do the same it is a big nope, kill them all.

You seem to forget both the Geth and EDI's origins. They were never created on purpose to become self aware and self actualizing. EDI was an advanced combat training VI program that became self aware all on it's own. The Geth were created as a servant class to do menial and dangerous tasks for the Quarians. In both cases the VI programs all on their own formed their own self awareness. Primitive as it might be or have been at the time as technology advances it will happen again and again with even smarter beings coming into play. It would require a total halt to technological development and/or the actions and treatment of synthetic beings that were they organic would be considered a hate crime/crime against humanity/war crime.

All of history would have to be rewritten and that is creating a very dangerous set up with combination of you already mentioned set up.  Enslaving them and forcibly keeping them stupid will rile them up but the fact you hid that you wiped out all synthetic life in the galaxy to save your own rear. But to then hide the fact you willingly wiped out all previous synthetic life to save your own rear. That is war my friend pure and simple.

That isn't a giant wall of text. I have seen true giant walls of text before.

Well more dialogue there is the less each choice actually means. There are only so many paths you can take and the more paths you have the less each actually mean. So less dialogue options to me aren't necessarily a bad thing because it means each responds matters more. With there still being enough for you to make your Shepard yours. As well as at least it moves the plot along at a nice pace.   I mean as it is ME 3 has enough potential content to be 1.5 games anyways so some brevity is needed.  It is just something I have always found amusing both in how it happens in game and people's attempt to use the other race's hesitance to support Shepard as proof of some negative aspect of them. While they ignore the context of how Shepard asked for that support. 


Well the Reaper's ability to "hack" The Geth and take control extends to all technology used by any race. Any computer system that isn't completely isolated and not connected by wire to any other computer runs the risk of being hacked.  The concept of one code means break into one all others are compromised is true of a standard computer system. But only because our computers are unable to respond to hacks in any way. The code would jump them up to arguably similar levels as the Reapers so hacking them even for the Reapers would be difficult and each individual Geth being able to respond to hack attempts and alter their programing in responds to prevent it from happening means a hack one Geth and all Geth are hacked isn't necessarily true.  Why would the Geth betray anyone in the middle of the Reaper war? After the war is over I could see an argument for that. But the Reapers want to wipe out all advance life including the Geth. Betraying the races of the galaxy and leaving them to stand alone against the Reapers would be one of the single most stupid move to ever make in the history of everything.

Organic life and given the track record of races shown in game and our own real world history accepting things or people that are different is not a strong point of organic life. When you add in the fact that synthetic life evolves at a near exponential rate their rate of development would put them decades if not centuries a head of organic life given the same time frame. Each new generation of AI created would be faster, smarter and longer lasting then the last generation.  No need to eat or sleep, building custom made bodies that can withstand impacts from low orbit drops and the strength to crush boulders.  The fact they can process information at speeds we can not even hope to.  It is a very lop sided race with synthetics having almost all the advantages. That is why the conflict starts and why it ends badly for organic life.  I've never seen anything in game that I can remember that says the conflict is completely and only started by Synthetics because based on the Geth and Quarians it is a bit of fault on both ends.  As for the actions of the Geth in ME 3 nothing about it is contradictory to their stated intentions in ME 2 by Legion. The fact is they had 1 of 2 options. Accept the upgrade and possibly survive the war or reject the upgrade and certainly die.

Remember the Quarians had already exploited their weaknesses to land a devastating surprise attack on the Geth. Destroying thousands of programs and reducing the Geth's intelligence by a fair number. Then the Reapers did the exact same thing using their weakness of their interdependence on each other to forcibly enslave the Geth and turn them into a new attack force for the Reapers. It was adapt or die and their actions were based on their wish to survive. And individual or a group willing to die for their beliefs is one thing. But an entire race/species? That is something completely different and their actions are completely understandable when the context is given.

I'm not a destroy fan personally. My official ending if you can call any ending official is synthesis because it actually harnesses the potential good the Reapers have as well as advancing and improving all life.  Being given the option to stop the war and improve the life of everyone in the galaxy and rejecting it choosing to destroy it based on short petty emotional reasoning is stupid to me. The destruction of the Reapers will not bring the dead back to life, will not rebuild the shattered families they created.  Having them rebuild what they have destroyed. Having them improve the lives of those they have effected. That is truly how you get vengeance. Buy turning what was once used to destroy into something that is used to create.  Kind of like how they are taking decommissioned nuclear weapons and using the uranium as a low cost fuel rod for power planets to general electricity. Turning something that was intended to destroy into something positive and helpful.

From the start of ME 1 it is shown that AI's and even VI's are inherently superior to organic life. Hence why the Quarians were nearly wiped out by the Geth even though they struck first and had access to heavy military hardware. Not to mention Hackett's little speech before the Luna mission about how important VI's are to the military due to their ability to receive hundreds of messages at once and respond to them in seconds. An act that a human operator would be incapable of. In ME 2 Legion directly says that the Geth do not understand the Quarian's logic and their actions. They have been studying organic life for hundreds of years and still don't understand the logic behind the Quarians.




So why are the other ones lack implied utopian set up? All of them are fairly guilty about that bit. Were does it say they are holding hands and pretending the whole genocide thing didn't happen? Because there is a large difference between pretending it didn't happen and moving on from it and rebuilding society from the ashes with the Reapers now helping rebuild and sharing their knowledge with the rest of the galaxy. It is a lot of stretching to reach that point from the video.



Because it would have meant death for the Geth as each unit destroyed would slowly reduce their over all intelligence until they would be unable to put up an even basic defense becoming more of a liability then an asset in the war. Not to mention their interdependence would allow the Reaper to again try the Rannoch method of taking control of one and broadcasting the control signal to all. Since they have to work with each other to have any sort of intelligence it would allow them to hijack all the Geth again and used them as soldiers on their side.



They did want to forge their own path. Then the Quarains manipulated their weakness to deal a critical blow to the Geth crippling them and causing their over all intelligence to drop significantly. Then the Reapers also utilized their weakness to forcibly control all Geth and turn them into mindless puppets for the Reapers to use as weapons. Not to mention the Heretics were able to using Reaper technology create a virus that would allow them to alter the rest of the Geth to come to the same conclusion as them. The only emotional reaction was self preservation which is a fundamental part of any sentient being that has any form of self awareness. Even jelly fish that are just a bundle of nerve endings has self preservation as it will attempt to swim away if damaged.

Not really. If I recall, ME 1 showed me that AI's steal people's credit card money and can be blown up by shooting the console to the left of its mainframe. That's some spicey superiority there.



Paragon Control, I concede, is partially utopian. Renegade Control seems more dystopian if Shepard's monologue is anything to go by, considering that's all Bioware gives us rather than a longer extended monologue showing us the actual ramifications of our choices. Also i'd say the glowing green eyes, Reapers in the background and relative lack of any indicator of future conflict or tension. 



Or you know, Shepard could have talked the Quarians out of attacking and the Geth could have developed their own countermeasures now that they're aware of what the Reapers can do? That's more on Mac Walters and the writing team for not developing that as a solution.



Again though, they're machines, they don't have a sense of self preservation. If anything, they have a logical argument for self-preservation but the game did not portray it that way. You also assume that sentience means they instantly have that emotional reaction and that Geth are the same as big stupid jellyfish. If anything, the game should have presented options after the control signal was destroyed as the Heretics virus would have been overcome and an opportunity would have been present for a different outcome than the one the game forced on players for dramatic effect.

Its too bad there wasn't an option for Shepard to throw the hologram turned platform out the airlock. No reason to have it for a squadmate

Yeah. About that reaper code. I have no reason to trust the geth to let them upload it. I have no proof they won't start attacking Shepard and others again once that code is uploaded. The only reason the geth have that opportunity is because the reapers interfered. The quarians were destroying the geth. Not letting the geth upload the code, lets the quarians finish the job

Shepard shut down the Luna Base VI only after it kills off everyone else in it. Shepard kills some Geth but they were still capable of attacking and taking control of the Citadel's main systems. As well as the Geth Fleet was still capable of pushing the the Citadel Fleet back. The Alliance takes out a few from behind but the fact is the Geth Fleet was enough of a threat to potentially take out the largest most powerful warship ever created by organic hands. And the defeat of the Geth Fleet is glossed over. So glossed over they don't even address it. Just one moment they are attacking and causing problems and the next they simply are not.

What do you think an AI is? It is the equivalent of an artificial human mind. Combining a human mind with a VI is how you would create an AI equivalent. The VI translating the impulses in the brain into electrical signals to interact with technology. Not a true true AI but still the same hallmarks and basic capabilities that an AI would have. Including the act of taking control of any and all technology and having it directed against you. In fact David at the time was more of an AI then the Geth because he was actually able to take control of the downed Geth ship and control them


Interpenetration argument can only be used so far. You can't show a video of a cat being hit by a car then declare the cat was suicidal. Your going to have to show some proof to back up that claim. No I'm not making false comparisons that come from an objective stand point.  Your logic is that because the Reapers are helping the galaxy rebuild post Synthesis that it some how means they are ignoring the attempted genocide of the races of the galaxy.  The only difference between the Reapers and Nazi Germany was the scale. And yet in both cases after the war when peace was created everyone worked together to rebuild everything destroyed by the war.

They don't need any explanation for anything. The fact you jump right to they must be denying the genocide ever happen speaks more for yourself then any writing good or bad by BioWare. Because that is a lot of mental gymnastics needed to reach that point. Since you know there isn't a single shred of anything to support that idea.

How many lives is an idea worth? 1, 10, 100, 1,000, 1,000,000, an entire race? 

I bring up legitimate concerns about the Geth and you completely ignore them.  Why is that?


Lack of emotional responds doesn't negate the fact self preservation still exists.

You can like or dislike what you want. But when your complaint is based on personal opinion that defies what the game explicitly tells you. I'm going to say something.  In this case I have brought up legitimate concerns bout the Geth and their ability to wage war against the Reapers. And in return every single one of my valid points that are backed up by things explicitly stated in game are ignored.