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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 1, 2017 3:44:17 GMT
That's amusing but I don't think it's the case. Otherwise, I think he'd comment on more things than defense of every aspect of ME3. For sure he'd be defending MEA for those who have issues with it. For whatever reason, we're not allowed by him to dislike anything at all in ME3 (which is funny because it's my favorite ME game) but no shits are given about what we think about ME1, ME2 or MEA. Perhaps we can parlay with him? Here's my olive-branch gothpunk: 1. You may attempt to control what we say and post about in this thread, but will it last? Will it create a utopia in which everyone finally realizes how glorious the ME3 endings truly are? 2. You may attempt to destroy any criticisms we bring up, but know that there will be casualties from the carnage you bring upon the forum thread. 3. You may attempt to combine your views of the ending with ours and achieve synthesis, the strengths of both views, the weaknesses of none, and a whole lot of confusion as to how that would actually work. 4. Or perhaps you value your opinions so much and others so little you opt to refuse our parlay, know that this choice will be in vain as we are the harbingers of Mass Effect ending perfection. Heck, there could be other options, this is a forum thread where creativity can flourish more than a hollywoodized franchise's writing staff meetings. Let's all make a better ending together. 1. You man attempt to control the reality of what happened in game but many things are explicitly said in game and those facts can not be altered because you don't like them. 2. You destroy any validity to your argument when you directly ignore valid points brought up. 3. We can synthesis with each other and have an open debate about our various opinions about the game and how much they are supported by events said in game. 4. Or perhaps you value your opinions to much and others so little you opt to refuse to accept other people will not agree with you. So you get upset and angry when people challenge your opinion. Heck, there could be other options, this is a forum thread were open mature debate can flourish more then a reddit thread ever could. Lets all make a better discussion sub forum for all. Now I will ask you again about my legitimate points I brought up about the Geth that were backed up by statements explicitly said in game. As they are very important because they are the basis for the Geth's action during the Rannoch Arc as well as if using the Reaper code was going back on their principle or an action born of self preservation when presented with an enemy that would destroy them other wise taking any other option including using technology they would normally reject as a means to ensure the survival of their race.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 1, 2017 4:52:52 GMT
SO BE IT
That's Harbinger killing people, right? We should make friends with that guy. I mean, he's only wiped out a significant portion (if not entire populations) of every planet it's sent forces. Clearly, we want to make friends. I remember Shepard asking Vigil why the Protheans didn't surrender. Vigil said it wasn't an option, that surrender wasn't something the Reapers wanted. You have to assume that if you walk up to Harbinger for a chat that a) he'll outright kill you, he'll indoctrinate you or c) he'll turn you into a husk. That's all he's ever done. So, yeah, kill him and every single Reaper in existence whose singular goal has been to kill us.
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Do you trust EDI? Or do you want to see her thrown out the airlock like Javik suggests and her systems purged on the Normandy? Because she to was a VI that became sentient, was then shut down by Shepard, recovered by Cerberus and upgraded using technology scavenged from Sovereign. If you even vaugly trust EDI but don't trust the Geth then it is a contradiction in logic because both follow the same path and both are the same risk. At any moment she could open all airlocks and accelerate to FTL speed and kill everyone on the ship, fly to an Alliance held area and open fire destroying ships before overloading the ship's engines and exploding in a hell fire taking out several more depending on how close and what their classification is. I don't avoid making comparisons with the real world because the real world is were game developers can and do draw inspiration from to form the stories told in their game. And Organic bigotry and fear of synthetic life has a lot of parallels to issues in the real world in some form or other. So when trying to explain something picking a parallel in the real world helps enforce my stance by using a real world example. Why do you think the Geth would have been able to survive the war without the Reaper upgrade? Because the game implies much differently. I trust EDI to an extent but I get Javik's point of view and I agree with him on most points. But I trusted Legion like I did EDI, until he decided to lie and choose to upload the Reaper code. EDI didn't make that choice. She could go on a killing rampage, that's a very viable risk but Shepard's squad just has immunity to all things Reaper really. Well Tali was saying that the Quarian fleet was being torn apart, Legion didn't seem to be in a hurry to save the geth or anything. I interpreted the situation as the geth having significantly improved firepower which is why the Quarians did surprise attacks and destroyed disabled or weakened ships. I never thought the game implied otherwise. It seemed to me that the geth wanted the code for more intelligence and to be 'alive' like humans or other aliens. I suppose it's all down to personal interpretation.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 1, 2017 12:21:39 GMT
Do you trust EDI? Or do you want to see her thrown out the airlock like Javik suggests and her systems purged on the Normandy? Because she to was a VI that became sentient, was then shut down by Shepard, recovered by Cerberus and upgraded using technology scavenged from Sovereign. If you even vaugly trust EDI but don't trust the Geth then it is a contradiction in logic because both follow the same path and both are the same risk. At any moment she could open all airlocks and accelerate to FTL speed and kill everyone on the ship, fly to an Alliance held area and open fire destroying ships before overloading the ship's engines and exploding in a hell fire taking out several more depending on how close and what their classification is. I don't avoid making comparisons with the real world because the real world is were game developers can and do draw inspiration from to form the stories told in their game. And Organic bigotry and fear of synthetic life has a lot of parallels to issues in the real world in some form or other. So when trying to explain something picking a parallel in the real world helps enforce my stance by using a real world example. Why do you think the Geth would have been able to survive the war without the Reaper upgrade? Because the game implies much differently. I trust EDI to an extent but I get Javik's point of view and I agree with him on most points. But I trusted Legion like I did EDI, until he decided to lie and choose to upload the Reaper code. EDI didn't make that choice. She could go on a killing rampage, that's a very viable risk but Shepard's squad just has immunity to all things Reaper really. Well Tali was saying that the Quarian fleet was being torn apart, Legion didn't seem to be in a hurry to save the geth or anything. I interpreted the situation as the geth having significantly improved firepower which is why the Quarians did surprise attacks and destroyed disabled or weakened ships. I never thought the game implied otherwise. It seemed to me that the geth wanted the code for more intelligence and to be 'alive' like humans or other aliens. I suppose it's all down to personal interpretation. I don't recall Legion ever directly lying to you in the game. Not telling the whole truth about it's goals yes. But that really isn't telling a lie unless you want to get into semantics of what constitutes a lie and what doesn't. That being said there are a lot of striking parallels between Legion's actions and Shepard's actions. Legion trusting the Reaper Code as a way to upgrade the Geth to allow them to survive the war is not much different then Shepard trusting that the Crucible is an anti Reaper weapons that will help them win the war. Both could just as easily be a trap that would simply end with the destruction of the galaxy as it is known as the Reapers continue another harvest. It is just a glaring contradiction for me to be pissed at Legion for doing something that I am doing as well. The Quarian Fleet were being torn apart because the Reapers used Legion to transmit a signal though the Geth Collective that improved them on par with what the Reaper Code does. That dramatic increase in intelligence and operation capability the Geth were able to turn the battle on the Quarians and trap them in Geth space. It is that signal code that Legion manipulates as a way to upload without the enslaving influence of the Reapers to improve the Geth and allow them to fight and survive. A side effect is the Geth develop a sense of individuality due to the fact they are no longer interdependent on each other for even basic intelligence. It is all down to personal interpenetration but it is an interpenetration that I have never been able to understand the basis of. Because it takes very basic set ups and declares they are human only qualities and anything that copies them are trying to be more human like. Frankly I want to see the copy right claim humanity has on an sense of individuality. As well as the copyright claim on improving their race's lives and chance to survive a war by adapting technology not their own into their lives.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 11:43:26 GMT
I trust EDI to an extent but I get Javik's point of view and I agree with him on most points. But I trusted Legion like I did EDI, until he decided to lie and choose to upload the Reaper code. EDI didn't make that choice. She could go on a killing rampage, that's a very viable risk but Shepard's squad just has immunity to all things Reaper really. Well Tali was saying that the Quarian fleet was being torn apart, Legion didn't seem to be in a hurry to save the geth or anything. I interpreted the situation as the geth having significantly improved firepower which is why the Quarians did surprise attacks and destroyed disabled or weakened ships. I never thought the game implied otherwise. It seemed to me that the geth wanted the code for more intelligence and to be 'alive' like humans or other aliens. I suppose it's all down to personal interpretation. I don't recall Legion ever directly lying to you in the game. Not telling the whole truth about it's goals yes. But that really isn't telling a lie unless you want to get into semantics of what constitutes a lie and what doesn't. That being said there are a lot of striking parallels between Legion's actions and Shepard's actions. Legion trusting the Reaper Code as a way to upgrade the Geth to allow them to survive the war is not much different then Shepard trusting that the Crucible is an anti Reaper weapons that will help them win the war. Both could just as easily be a trap that would simply end with the destruction of the galaxy as it is known as the Reapers continue another harvest. It is just a glaring contradiction for me to be pissed at Legion for doing something that I am doing as well. The Quarian Fleet were being torn apart because the Reapers used Legion to transmit a signal though the Geth Collective that improved them on par with what the Reaper Code does. That dramatic increase in intelligence and operation capability the Geth were able to turn the battle on the Quarians and trap them in Geth space. It is that signal code that Legion manipulates as a way to upload without the enslaving influence of the Reapers to improve the Geth and allow them to fight and survive. A side effect is the Geth develop a sense of individuality due to the fact they are no longer interdependent on each other for even basic intelligence. It is all down to personal interpenetration but it is an interpenetration that I have never been able to understand the basis of. Because it takes very basic set ups and declares they are human only qualities and anything that copies them are trying to be more human like. Frankly I want to see the copy right claim humanity has on an sense of individuality. As well as the copyright claim on improving their race's lives and chance to survive a war by adapting technology not their own into their lives. Fine, he withheld what I consider to be vital information, which lead to my distrust in him. Better? Your comparisons are very different things though. Legion wants to use something that he knows is from the Reapers and it's something that allowed them to be controlled before for more intelligence. Shepard is trusting what is believed to be a Prothean weapon to stop the Reapers. They're not the same or even similar really. Yes the improved intelligence did help them against the Quarians, again I made the assumption that they could have still held their own against the Quarians even without it. This mainly comes from talking to Quarians in ME2 and there doesn't seem to be anything in game to state otherwise. Well to me, this interpretation comes from the very different thinking of organics and synthetics. They're still very different things, unless you choose Synthesis of course. The geth rely on collective intelligence, their dream was to never be alone which made sense in the context of how the geth are. It seemed to me like this idea was completely left behind. I think this is less of an issue for EDI just because she was made to be intelligent on her own, she doesn't have to communicate with other synthetics for survival. A lot of the aspects in this game are based on personal interpretation, so we might as well leave it at that. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. And we might be derailing the thread somewhat at this point
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 4, 2017 5:12:05 GMT
I don't recall Legion ever directly lying to you in the game. Not telling the whole truth about it's goals yes. But that really isn't telling a lie unless you want to get into semantics of what constitutes a lie and what doesn't. That being said there are a lot of striking parallels between Legion's actions and Shepard's actions. Legion trusting the Reaper Code as a way to upgrade the Geth to allow them to survive the war is not much different then Shepard trusting that the Crucible is an anti Reaper weapons that will help them win the war. Both could just as easily be a trap that would simply end with the destruction of the galaxy as it is known as the Reapers continue another harvest. It is just a glaring contradiction for me to be pissed at Legion for doing something that I am doing as well. The Quarian Fleet were being torn apart because the Reapers used Legion to transmit a signal though the Geth Collective that improved them on par with what the Reaper Code does. That dramatic increase in intelligence and operation capability the Geth were able to turn the battle on the Quarians and trap them in Geth space. It is that signal code that Legion manipulates as a way to upload without the enslaving influence of the Reapers to improve the Geth and allow them to fight and survive. A side effect is the Geth develop a sense of individuality due to the fact they are no longer interdependent on each other for even basic intelligence. It is all down to personal interpenetration but it is an interpenetration that I have never been able to understand the basis of. Because it takes very basic set ups and declares they are human only qualities and anything that copies them are trying to be more human like. Frankly I want to see the copy right claim humanity has on an sense of individuality. As well as the copyright claim on improving their race's lives and chance to survive a war by adapting technology not their own into their lives. Fine, he withheld what I consider to be vital information, which lead to my distrust in him. Better? Your comparisons are very different things though. Legion wants to use something that he knows is from the Reapers and it's something that allowed them to be controlled before for more intelligence. Shepard is trusting what is believed to be a Prothean weapon to stop the Reapers. They're not the same or even similar really. Yes the improved intelligence did help them against the Quarians, again I made the assumption that they could have still held their own against the Quarians even without it. This mainly comes from talking to Quarians in ME2 and there doesn't seem to be anything in game to state otherwise. Well to me, this interpretation comes from the very different thinking of organics and synthetics. They're still very different things, unless you choose Synthesis of course. The geth rely on collective intelligence, their dream was to never be alone which made sense in the context of how the geth are. It seemed to me like this idea was completely left behind. I think this is less of an issue for EDI just because she was made to be intelligent on her own, she doesn't have to communicate with other synthetics for survival. A lot of the aspects in this game are based on personal interpretation, so we might as well leave it at that. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. And we might be derailing the thread somewhat at this point I'm not expecting to change your mind at all. If you feel your mind being changed about something then that is a side effect. Been alive on this world, on the internet in general and specifically on this forum for to long to ever even consider the possibility of the concept of changing someone's mind on something. If we could turn people's opinion about this game into a physical property a single round if fired from a Frigate would be so solid and unyielding it would have gutted Sovereign from stem to stern in one shot even when it was fully powered up. You could enclose a Mass Relay in it and detonate the Relay and while normally it would have the capability to wipe out a solar system wouldn't even cause a ripple in the metal and you would have no idea if the Relay was even gone or not. And that metal shell is so solid and unyielding that even after the heat death of the universe it will continue to exist unchanged and unchanging. Of course he withheld vital information he is in a room full of Quarians that with the exception of possibly Tali and maybe Admiral Koris would soon as give a lobotomy/dissect or simply blow into smoldering chunks of metal. And frankly would happily see the Geth burn into ashes then risk a single Quarian armpit hair to even vaugly help them. Geth keeping his cards close to it's chest while frustrating when Shepard is trying to help it and the Geth is kind of understandable to me. As for the upgrade the Reaper code is rather analogus to sodium and Chlorine. Separate they are toxic to you but combined and they become salt. Because Legion doesn't just take the code and copy paste it. Legion works with and alters the code to allow the upgrade effect but without the mind control portion of it. Reaper code (Chlorine) plus Legion modifying code (Sodium) makes salt. Events of ME 2 and ME 3 are slightly different. In ME 2 the Quarians never developed their anti Geth weapon which is basically a DDos attack on their visual capabilities. Legion explicitly tells you about the effect of the Quarian surprise attack. How so many programs were lost how the Geth's over all intelligence dropped how the inquiries about what to do became over whelming as the Geth started to panic over their very survival. That in that moment of panic and worry they turned to the Reapers in an attempt to save themselves from death at the hands of the Quarians. And the Reapers rather to form treated it like a monkey's paw effect. They made it so the Geth were able to fight back against the Quarians and win against them but at the cost of their free will. The Geth are enslaved by their need for collective intelligence. They want to build a Dyson sphere and have all Geth programs housed in it to fix this issues. It isn't that they don't want to be alone it is that they are incapable of being alone. Being alone means they know they becomes slower and stupider. I mean how would you react if your intelligence was directly related to how many people were around you? When you are at a convention full of people you are as smart as Albert Eisenstein and Steven Hawking. When you are alone in your house/appt you are about as smart as a bearded dragon. The Geth normally are ok with that. They accept it and are willing to make it work and then the Reapers show up and are capable of exploiting that weakness. That fighting them will result in the destruction of thousands of Geth programs. I asked vanity so I will ask you this question. How many lives is an idea worth? Because the Reaper conflict is an extinction level event and the choices are adapt to it abandoning your ideology to survive. Or keep your ideology in tact and die because it prevents you from acting in a way that would allow you to survive. I'm all big on non violence and a lot of that hippy crap because I think violence is how ignorant people solve problems. But if some people broke into my house and tried to kill my family and I had a gun and my two options were go against my ideology of being against violence to save them or stay true to my ideology against violence and lose my family. I would pull the trigger every god damn time. And I would do the same thing if it was random strangers as well. Because life is far more precious then any ideology ever will be. That is why I can't fault Legion or the Geth for taking the Reaper upgrade to allow them to fight and survive the Reaper War.
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gothpunkboy89And that's fine, I don't expect you to fault the geth. I do, you don't. Simple.
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gothpunkboy89 And that's fine, I don't expect you to fault the geth. I do, you don't. Simple. And that is the irony because the Reapers are hated for that same logic. They find fault with Organic life and give it the same chance you do. They even choose to destroy organic life because of the off chance something might go wrong. In that moment not only do you validate every single thing the Reapers stand for but you in fact follow the exact actions of the Reapers.
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gothpunkboy89 And that's fine, I don't expect you to fault the geth. I do, you don't. Simple. And that is the irony because the Reapers are hated for that same logic. They find fault with Organic life and give it the same chance you do. They even choose to destroy organic life because of the off chance something might go wrong. In that moment not only do you validate every single thing the Reapers stand for but you in fact follow the exact actions of the Reapers. Huh, well that might explain why I like Control so much.
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And that is the irony because the Reapers are hated for that same logic. They find fault with Organic life and give it the same chance you do. They even choose to destroy organic life because of the off chance something might go wrong. In that moment not only do you validate every single thing the Reapers stand for but you in fact follow the exact actions of the Reapers. Huh, well that might explain why I like Control so much. I like the Reapers dead. Not because I'm opposed to synthetic life. I like EDI, I push for her to have a romance with Joker, I also like Legion and take the road they seem to prefer in ME2 (kill the heretics). I also try to broker peace between the geth and the quarian. I feel loads of sympathy for the geth in watching the videos from the early days of the Morning War. Yet, the idea of keeping these killing machines around is just more than I can bear. I can only imagine that, after the war, people would be terrified seeing Reapers and husks still around in any capacity for any reason. The Catalyst says Synthesis will bring peace but how does he know? The Reapers still end up being more powerful than anyone and there's no reason that once freed of the Catalyst's control that they still won't be a threat to all life. The reasons would only be different. Mind you, I'm not saying they will be a threat; I'm simply saying that their belief in their superiority (which, as far as I can tell, would still be true) might lead them to be less than friendly toward lesser beings. Sure, they're all synthesized together, but that doesn't make them equal. As for Control, again there's these creepy Reapers around. Putting Shepard in charge doesn't necessarily put my mind at ease. Enforced peace sounds a lot like a dictatorship. Even if Shepard starts out nice, the longer s/he exists the less removed from the concerns of mortals s/he will be. Just sounds like a recipe for disaster. Refuse just kills everyone and everything we know. Sure, the Stargazer scene tells us that the Reapers are defeated in the next cycle but I hate the idea of life as we knew it being gone for good. That brings me to Destroy. The lack of Reapers would almost certainly put more minds at ease. The aftermath wouldn't be easy to overcome but we know we'd be safe from at least that threat. (Leviathan are still out there, though, which is a plus point for Control.) Also, I had no doubt more AI will be built in the future. It's futile to pretend otherwise. However, instead of constantly trying to subjugate and control them, why not encourage their growth and development? Welcome them into society? Not an easy task for sure but I think Alec Ryder was onto something when he felt integration was a better path. Sure, he meant it on a deeper level, but I figure that if you're a regular part of society you're going to find fewer reasons to rebel. Doesn't mean it won't happen but it also doesn't mean we can't try.
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dmc1001 I actually agree with all your points. Destroy is still the ending I chose the most. I still like it as an end. The only reason I changed from Destroy to Control in the first place is because my EMS was too high and Shepard survived. I always encourage Joker and EDI too and kill the heretics. I feel sympathy for the geth but I don't make peace mainly because Shepard just fixes that centuries long conflict with a few words, it's just for story purposes. Yeah synthesis never sat well with me either. The fact that they will be the same doesn't necessarily mean peace. Besides imagine how a husk would feel if it's aware of what it has become. Or cannibals or brutes? They have several aliens in them, how would that even work? It's just not something I'm comfortable with. Yeah Control definitely has a creepy tone to it. Especially since I chose it with my Renegade Shepard but I actually like the somewhat darker implications of it. Again I like it for story purposes and I can easily roleplay that Shepard picking Control. But I get why not many would choose it, it's not really what I would call a happy end. Especially in comparison to the other ones. I chose Refuse once because I wanted to shoot the child. I couldn't sleep with that though. It doesn't feel like a proper end to me. Yeah I think people would learn from the Reaper war and try to integrate synthetics into society without causing the need for rebellion. I'm afraid I don't know anything about Alec Ryder's ideas on this subject, haven't played Andromeda yet, but yeah AIs are inevitable, people might as well do what they can to have peace with them.
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the thing says "synthesis is the final evolution of all life". How would it know that? Did the crucible tell it to say that? Did Leviathan put that in its programming so that when it was talking to an organic it would say that? Or did it say that to butter up the ending so that it remains instead of being destroyed or replaced? Don't know. Don't care.
Destroy the reapers. Let the galaxy have a future without the threat of the reapers. If problems arise in the future, let the galaxy deal with them. Don't need the reapers. Never did.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 5, 2017 1:21:50 GMT
Besides imagine how a husk would feel if it's aware of what it has become. Or cannibals or brutes? They have several aliens in them, how would that even work? It's just not something I'm comfortable with. Umm about the same as you feel. Because they wouldn't know anything other then what they are and it would be normal for them.
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Besides imagine how a husk would feel if it's aware of what it has become. Or cannibals or brutes? They have several aliens in them, how would that even work? It's just not something I'm comfortable with. Umm about the same as you feel. Because they wouldn't know anything other then what they are and it would be normal for them. Do you not think they'd be aware of what happened to them? Of what they were and how they were turned? I mean it's not like how the collectors were changed thousands of years ago where it could be considered normal, these are all recent changes.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 5, 2017 12:16:58 GMT
Umm about the same as you feel. Because they wouldn't know anything other then what they are and it would be normal for them. Do you not think they'd be aware of what happened to them? Of what they were and how they were turned? I mean it's not like how the collectors were changed thousands of years ago where it could be considered normal, these are all recent changes. Besides the hints that being such as husks retain their original human features rather then become a copy paste generic enemy there is nothing to suggest that they retain any memory or thoughts of who they were before they were changed. And why would they? What point would it server the Reaper's plan to do that? Husks and the such are noting more then disposable troops. The physiological impact of their existence is the knowledge that they were once the same as the people fighting. There are a number of actions the Reapers take that many will find less then palatable. How ever the Reapers never do that out of any sadistic pleasure of tormenting.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 14:26:17 GMT
Do you not think they'd be aware of what happened to them? Of what they were and how they were turned? I mean it's not like how the collectors were changed thousands of years ago where it could be considered normal, these are all recent changes. Besides the hints that being such as husks retain their original human features rather then become a copy paste generic enemy there is nothing to suggest that they retain any memory or thoughts of who they were before they were changed. And why would they? What point would it server the Reaper's plan to do that? Husks and the such are noting more then disposable troops. The physiological impact of their existence is the knowledge that they were once the same as the people fighting. There are a number of actions the Reapers take that many will find less then palatable. How ever the Reapers never do that out of any sadistic pleasure of tormenting. Throughout the trilogy they are essentially mindless, I'm 99% sure they're not aware of what they are or were. What I'm saying is that if Synthesis is chosen, then the result could be that they all do become aware, husks, brutes, cannibals, all of them could realise what they were and what happened to them.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 5, 2017 15:14:54 GMT
Besides the hints that being such as husks retain their original human features rather then become a copy paste generic enemy there is nothing to suggest that they retain any memory or thoughts of who they were before they were changed. And why would they? What point would it server the Reaper's plan to do that? Husks and the such are noting more then disposable troops. The physiological impact of their existence is the knowledge that they were once the same as the people fighting. There are a number of actions the Reapers take that many will find less then palatable. How ever the Reapers never do that out of any sadistic pleasure of tormenting. Throughout the trilogy they are essentially mindless, I'm 99% sure they're not aware of what they are or were. What I'm saying is that if Synthesis is chosen, then the result could be that they all do become aware, husks, brutes, cannibals, all of them could realise what they were and what happened to them. It depends on the mind that is formed. A husk might learn that it once was human and was changed into that form but to the newly awakened husk that is all they know being like that. There would be no emotional connection to make them upset anymore then someone with a physical or mental disability looking at what people without those are like and knowing they could have been like that. There is also the fact that if the Reapers have the capability to change people into that they also would have the ability to alter them back to more normal looks. A full reverse I doubt would happen but bringing them more in line with the race they identify as would be possible. Only really the Brutes would be screwed on that but no doubt the Krogan would welcome them.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 5, 2017 16:25:50 GMT
Cannibals, scions and praetorians are also disgusting, borderline horror shows. I'm not talking just looks but actual composition. They were designed to induce fear because, yes, the Reapers wanted us to be terrified. They wanted to mentally torture us by putting these things around us.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 5, 2017 17:21:25 GMT
Cannibals, scions and praetorians are also disgusting, borderline horror shows. I'm not talking just looks but actual composition. They were designed to induce fear because, yes, the Reapers wanted us to be terrified. They wanted to mentally torture us by putting these things around us. Ugly SOBs I will give you that. But the whole death part I think is more the effecting aspect then any look. Because if you took a bunch of clones of Hulk Hogan in his prime and gave them all chain guns and hand them roaming at will killing at will it wouldn't matter how they look considering the physiological damage is the result of them killing people. A never ending wave of death when you kill one Hogan clone 2 more take it's place, no sense of self preservation will come at you in wave after wave till you are dead. Now you could argue that based on their look it is suppose to be terrifying but considering how malleable reality is that isn't a very decent argument to attempt outside of a single person (Shepard's case) view that doesn't extend to the rest of the galaxy.
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Post by themikefest on May 5, 2017 17:33:41 GMT
Keep up with the analogies. I enjoy a good laugh
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 19:59:15 GMT
gothpunkboy89 Right but that's nothing more than speculation. The fact of it is we don't know what happens to the Reaper creatures. It could be all fine and happy like you said or they could end up with a horrible fate like I think.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 5, 2017 20:25:20 GMT
Keep up with the analogies. I enjoy a good laugh Yes I do laugh at the concept of an army of Hulk Hogans spouting well known lines from his time in professional wrestling walking around machine gunning people down left and right. The whole concept is so out there and ridiculous. Much like the Skyrim mod that replaces dragons with Thomas the Tank Engine. Yet it is an apt analogy for how the Reaper troops operate.
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