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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 26, 2018 4:24:25 GMT
I prefer red and blue because the speeches make sense and feel rewarding enough. Pre-EC I did prefer Synthesis just because i like the idea os something completely galaxy-changing happening. Not saying it was justified though. I hated the ending and the Catalyst's arguments didn't estavlish the need for it whatsoever but the other two choices are suboptimal outcomes by either supporting what Cerberus stood for or sacrificing your synthetic friends in the name of victory. I don't get why synthetics can't coexist just because Reapers came to be when it seemed to develop just fine after Rannoch and it's some ass-backwards storytelling but fwiw i admired synthesis the most orgiinally. The speech for it in EC is trash though. It was done by Sylvia and i feel like Mac Walters or Casey must've been like "lol let's just throw this impossible idea at our seniors. Here u go, find out what we meant, Sylvia LOL!"
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 26, 2018 6:02:56 GMT
I mainly use modded endings because it avoids the Catalyst. I could live with the geth and EDI dying as a result of my choice.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jan 28, 2018 21:58:52 GMT
Red is what Hackett and Anderson sent me to do, so I did it.
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Post by jtav on Jan 29, 2018 1:13:37 GMT
Depends on the Shep. Did a self-insert run that was mostly Paragon and picked Destroy because the others seemed so invasive given the galaxy had solved most of its problems. Thinking Control on the RenShep because the overriding thread is being forceful and dictatirial works in that timeline and democracy and diplomacy don't. My actual favorite aesthetically is Synthesis.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 8, 2018 19:02:52 GMT
Red because it ends the problem for good.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 11, 2018 19:48:06 GMT
Red because it ends the problem for good. Quarians would be dead. I don't know if that is good to you or not.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 11, 2018 21:35:14 GMT
The only way the quarians are dead is if they were wiped out by the geth over Rannoch. Destroy has nothing to do with that
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Post by Warrick on Feb 11, 2018 22:27:29 GMT
Red, the robots can suck it.
None of them makes sense anyway so you may pick anything. I normally don't even get to London, I just do Citadel and consider the playthrough done.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 11, 2018 22:51:08 GMT
The only way the quarians are dead is if they were wiped out by the geth over Rannoch. Destroy has nothing to do with that Well yes and no both cases. The statement is assuming the only problem was the Reapers existing. Without the Reapers there are no Mass Relay networks. Without the Mass Relay networks the Quarians post Morning War would take a good 2 years if not more to reach the next populated area. Maybe even longer since their home planet is pretty far away from the home planet of the other races. Destroy targets all electronics though if I remember right EC kind of changed that to only Reapers because players got upset that there was consequences to the destroy option. Either way Quarians suits rely on electronics to filter the air and keep them alert of any possible suit breaches. A pulse that takes them out even if they can be repaired would still put them at risk until every suit was repaired. There would be fatalities. Maybe not all of them but since being in the same room as another Quarian during birth was enough to cause a heavy reaction. If they are in the presence of other non Quarians or even on Rannoch there could be a fair amount of fatalities. And that isn't even taking into account if the whole integrates technology into their very bodies as stated in ME 1 was kept up or dropped quietly. That stuff being disrupted would defiantly cause a lot of fatalities when stacked with suits. Which is why the Shepard breath scene is the single most stupidest thing in the game that has ever or will ever happen in a Mass Effect game. Even if Shepard didn't bleed out from the beam run. Even if he was able to survive a point blank explosion and survive the resulting energy wave released. The effect of the tech destroying wave would have fired every single cybernetic implant in Shepard. Those very implants are the things that are keeping him alive due to Cerberus pretty much rebuilding his body. Best case scenario he is a vegetative state for the rest of his short life in no pain. Worse case he is conscious but unable to move or speak and in constant searing pain. In either cases post Reaper War the galaxy would not have the time, money or man power to spare to rebuild him. And the nicest thing you could do is put a bullet between his eyes to end his pain.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 20, 2018 15:30:12 GMT
Destroy for me. I picked Synthesis on accident with my first Shepard. I've read posts from folks who didn't want to pick the green, but because they had Shepard walk forward too far, the cutscene took over. Clearly, they were just indoctrinated. Hence proving that green is a terrible choice. It's what the reapers want!
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Post by jukaga on Feb 21, 2018 19:53:30 GMT
I like to go renegade control these days, the creepy music gives me chills. Also, I wonder what Miranda is planning from that slide showing her studying Reapers. And if you're romancing Traynor, the relationship can continue as well, dating AI is her thing. Normally, and personal canon wise I go Destroy.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Feb 21, 2018 21:47:39 GMT
I've read posts from folks who didn't want to pick the green, but because they had Shepard walk forward too far, the cutscene took over. Clearly, they were just indoctrinated. Hence proving that green is a terrible choice. It's what the reapers want! I didn't really know going left or right was an option, assumed you were meant to go forward and that there'd be some way to choose at the end of the room. Cue Shepard committing suicide and me reloading to the last autosave (which was quite some way back).
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 21, 2018 23:11:02 GMT
Haha, i went green on my very first playthrough. After the TIM conversation and the Catalyst conversation I was so confused, I just stumbled forward until Shepard fell into the beam. Cue the (non EC at the time) green ending, which just carried on with the confusing stuff. In a way, after those two conversations, it was the perfect ending.
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Post by larsdt on Feb 22, 2018 2:13:25 GMT
My game endings have been mostly blue with a bit of red
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Feb 28, 2018 19:27:56 GMT
Well... Destroy is the only sane and moral ending no matter how you look at it. From Shepard's (sanity) perspective: - Shooting the thing that triggers Reaper destruction sounds less false since the Reaper Boss wants you to consider other options.
- Grabbing a conduit with massive amounts of energy is a suicidal move and you have no reason to trust the Reaper Boss on letting you replace him.
- Jumping on an energy beam in space is an even more blatant suicidal move and you still have no reason to trust the Reaper Boss about anything he says.
- Not doing anything or ragequitting after going through hell just to get to this point is pure OOC weak-willedness for COMMANDER SHEPARD.
From the Galaxy's (moral) perspective: - Getting every other current AI liveform wiped out alongside the Reapers prevents their flawed tech from turning against organics again while organics can use their knowledge of Reapers to prevent new AIs build from following such path, unless they are suicidally stupid.
- The Geth and EDI had already signed down for a suicidal battle against the Reapers, they had no regrets.
- Nobody knows that Shepard became the new Reaper Boss and it would suck to live in a galactic dictactorship where giant metal cuttlefish with unknown intentions can watch your every move and control your mind without your knowledge.
- Synthesis is stupid space magic rape: a cyborg jumped into a beam of space magic that exploded into a wave of magical DNA surgery invading the bodies of every living being in the Galaxy without their consent.
- If the Crucible doesn't fire then we all died in battle for nothing and the Yagh will be laughing at our remains.
The only ending in which Commander Shepard doesn't commit suicide on a prayer and which doesn't result in everyone being robbed of their freedom and inviduality is Destroy. Every other ending just screws everybody.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 1, 2018 4:51:50 GMT
bloodmagereaver : I can see we're going to get along just fine. We see things the same from an "in the moment" perspective (that is, as Shepard, without knowing how it'll all turn out and not having one damn reason to trust the Reapers) as well as from an "after the fact" perspective. Whether or not you care about synthetic beings is irrelevant since either a) you don't care, so won't give a shit whether or not geth and EDI survive (assuming the geth even exist at this point) or b ) you do care but the geth and EDI are both willing to sacrifice their existence to put a final end to the Reapers. Even EDI, in London, discusses how putting a final end to the Reapers is of extreme importance; she'd be willing to cease existing if it meant knowing the Reapers would never again threaten current or future sapient entities in the galaxy. (Of course, the SAMs are on their way to Andromeda, but *shrug* that's someone else's potential problem.)
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 1, 2018 13:58:01 GMT
Well... Destroy is the only sane and moral ending no matter how you look at it. Only if you view it from the sanitized Disney style ending that removes all consequences of your choice creating an even more fairy tale ending then refuse, control or synthesis.
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Post by azuremazey on Mar 8, 2018 5:03:14 GMT
I've done multiple playthroughs and picked each ending, but Red felt the best for me and the story I wanted as my "canon". I wanted to completely destroy them. That was also my Garrus romance playthrough, so that one little scene at the very end of Red gave me hope.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 8, 2018 5:32:41 GMT
Well... Destroy is the only sane and moral ending no matter how you look at it. Only if you view it from the sanitized Disney style ending that removes all consequences of your choice creating an even more fairy tale ending then refuse, control or synthesis. Um, if anything is a sanitized Disney style ending it's Synthesis, right down to the glowing people and everyone being happy and shiny, as if they hadn't just had a war. To make is more clear, EDI and the geth are LITERALLY Pinocchio and are granted life by the fairy godmother at the end.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2018 20:21:04 GMT
Since the thing says that synthesis is the final evolution of all life and it will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework, a new dna, what exactly does that mean? Is the person different from what he/she was a few moments ago?
That's one of many reasons why I don't choose the green. I don't understand it, plus I like my dna the way it is. Destroy is and always will be the best choice.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 9, 2018 5:50:56 GMT
Reality is that evolution isn't some end point. It's an ongoing thing. When it stops it's because we're dying. This means the thing is most likely lying to get you choose the outcome it wants.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 10, 2018 13:32:35 GMT
Only if you view it from the sanitized Disney style ending that removes all consequences of your choice creating an even more fairy tale ending then refuse, control or synthesis. Um, if anything is a sanitized Disney style ending it's Synthesis, right down to the glowing people and everyone being happy and shiny, as if they hadn't just had a war. To make is more clear, EDI and the geth are LITERALLY Pinocchio and are granted life by the fairy godmother at the end. EDI and the Geth already had life before the end. Being upgraded to a more complex and advanced version of themselves isn't fairy god mother giving life. You might as well be saying that when someone upgrades their PC it is magical fairy god mother. Also there is no destruction of society. No suddenly understanding technology it has been shown we don't understand out of the blue. For all your disagreement about this you continue to fail to supply the argument to support your reasoning. I gave plenty of arguments and reasons why destroy is so bad in this aspect. You seem to only be able to respond in false equivalences.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2018 22:15:25 GMT
Um, if anything is a sanitized Disney style ending it's Synthesis, right down to the glowing people and everyone being happy and shiny, as if they hadn't just had a war. To make is more clear, EDI and the geth are LITERALLY Pinocchio and are granted life by the fairy godmother at the end. EDI and the Geth already had life before the end. Being upgraded to a more complex and advanced version of themselves isn't fairy god mother giving life. You might as well be saying that when someone upgrades their PC it is magical fairy god mother. Also there is no destruction of society. No suddenly understanding technology it has been shown we don't understand out of the blue. For all your disagreement about this you continue to fail to supply the argument to support your reasoning. I gave plenty of arguments and reasons why destroy is so bad in this aspect. You seem to only be able to respond in false equivalences. Yes, but not their some kind of synthetic/organic thing - everyone is, at the alleged "final stage of evolution" (talk about false statements). So, yes, it is magic. You just like to pretend otherwise. You have actually failed to provide anything resembling reason and argument for transforming inorganic material into somehow "living" material. EDI somehow now has organs and cells - things which were never present before. You fail over and over to explain how that is possible. For my part, all I've said is that things get destroyed, such as Reapers and (based on the game itself) their technology. You just don't like that it pokes holes in your argument. You just don't want to accept that the Catalyst lied to Shepard so that it would get the outcome it wanted. Finally, you fail to grasp evolution if you believe what it says.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 11, 2018 0:54:49 GMT
EDI and the Geth already had life before the end. Being upgraded to a more complex and advanced version of themselves isn't fairy god mother giving life. You might as well be saying that when someone upgrades their PC it is magical fairy god mother. Also there is no destruction of society. No suddenly understanding technology it has been shown we don't understand out of the blue. For all your disagreement about this you continue to fail to supply the argument to support your reasoning. I gave plenty of arguments and reasons why destroy is so bad in this aspect. You seem to only be able to respond in false equivalences. Yes, but not their some kind of synthetic/organic thing - everyone is, at the alleged "final stage of evolution" (talk about false statements). So, yes, it is magic. You just like to pretend otherwise. You have actually failed to provide anything resembling reason and argument for transforming inorganic material into somehow "living" material. EDI somehow now has organs and cells - things which were never present before. You fail over and over to explain how that is possible. For my part, all I've said is that things get destroyed, such as Reapers and (based on the game itself) their technology. You just don't like that it pokes holes in your argument. You just don't want to accept that the Catalyst lied to Shepard so that it would get the outcome it wanted. Finally, you fail to grasp evolution if you believe what it says. The only change that is shown to happen to be synth-organic are organic life. Also it always amuses me when people try to use wording which was chosen to convey complex set ups in simple terms for anyone and everyone to grasp the basic concept of it. Final evolution of life might not be entirely accurate but it provides a sufficient explanation that anyone can grasp. Show me were it says that inorganic material is transformed into living materials? EDI only mentions that organic and synthetic life has been changed. The DNA sequence pulls out to a human eye on a human. It is just as much space magic as a galaxy wide wave of energy that only effects a very very specific set of technology that some how doesn't effect all others.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 11, 2018 17:44:39 GMT
Yes, but not their some kind of synthetic/organic thing - everyone is, at the alleged "final stage of evolution" (talk about false statements). So, yes, it is magic. You just like to pretend otherwise. You have actually failed to provide anything resembling reason and argument for transforming inorganic material into somehow "living" material. EDI somehow now has organs and cells - things which were never present before. You fail over and over to explain how that is possible. For my part, all I've said is that things get destroyed, such as Reapers and (based on the game itself) their technology. You just don't like that it pokes holes in your argument. You just don't want to accept that the Catalyst lied to Shepard so that it would get the outcome it wanted. Finally, you fail to grasp evolution if you believe what it says. The only change that is shown to happen to be synth-organic are organic life. Also it always amuses me when people try to use wording which was chosen to convey complex set ups in simple terms for anyone and everyone to grasp the basic concept of it. Final evolution of life might not be entirely accurate but it provides a sufficient explanation that anyone can grasp. Show me were it says that inorganic material is transformed into living materials? EDI only mentions that organic and synthetic life has been changed. The DNA sequence pulls out to a human eye on a human. It is just as much space magic as a galaxy wide wave of energy that only effects a very very specific set of technology that some how doesn't effect all others. There was definitely something in that eye that looked organic rather than synthetic. Like something you'd find in a living being rather than a robot. Also, it very definitely shows the Reapers getting off without even a hint of punishment for killing uncounted TRILLIONS of beings. Finally, let's be clear. Reaper tech emits an energy that causes indoctrination. Very easy to hone in on that energy and destroy whatever emits it.
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