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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Aug 9, 2016 12:59:38 GMT
Plot holes? Or lying Reaper AI?
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Post by Deerber on Aug 9, 2016 13:47:41 GMT
Plot holes? Or lying Reaper AI? Plot holes so big that the Citadel is like a drop in the sea, in comparison...
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Post by themikefest on Aug 9, 2016 15:33:26 GMT
Not surprising to see destroy being chosen the most
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 9, 2016 16:44:45 GMT
Teehee, that poll's not loaded at ALL. Anyway, I've picked all of them. Paragon Blue's my favorite, though, and as far as I'm concerned, the Shepalyst functions as a reclusive galactic archive for the rest of her existence. A loaded poll is one that makes one option look better than the rest, not one that makes them all look like crap. You don't get to decide what Shepbinger does. Your Shepard is dead. That thing's not Shepard. It's not like we're going back to the Milky Way, so I think I can make an informed decision as to what my Shepard's personality imprint would lead to. It's not the same as Shepard, because she's super-dead, as mentioned. But the thing has her thoughts, her memories, and frankly, I'd rather assume positives instead of wallowing in gloom and doom. Granted, the endings never really filled me with ire. They're not good, either, but after the EC and Leviathan, they're passable. And the best thing about them for me continues to be that there's no one empirically right choice. All four have pros and cons, and I've picked them all on different Shepards. Including renegade control. Teehee.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 9, 2016 16:54:21 GMT
Destroy. I tried all endings, but this is the only one that I somehow like.
Though I like to pretend that nothing happened between opening the Citadel and Reapers' destruction. No Catalyst, no talk, no choice. Just Destroy.
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Post by dalinne on Aug 9, 2016 16:55:49 GMT
Destroy. And then, years later, quarians and engineers achived to recover the Geth and EDI.
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Post by Rifneno on Aug 9, 2016 18:18:02 GMT
It's not like we're going back to the Milky Way, so I think I can make an informed decision as to what my Shepard's personality imprint would lead to. It's not the same as Shepard, because she's super-dead, as mentioned. But the thing has her thoughts, her memories, and frankly, I'd rather assume positives instead of wallowing in gloom and doom. They leave a lot of things ambiguous. But what's not left ambiguous is that Shepbinger is taking a very active role in the galaxy. It's not going to be a recluse. If the real Shepard would have been in its place, well, looks like that infinite understanding has changed them. Wonder what else it's changed.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Aug 9, 2016 18:54:49 GMT
There's no guarantee that the Shepard AI won't be 'tweaked' (rewritten) in the process. That's the problem with an AI. It's a digital thing. It's out of your hands. Like we've seen with the Geth in ME2, it only takes a tiny alteration to make them come to different conclusions.
Too much risk.
DESTROY.
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Post by Natashina on Aug 9, 2016 19:45:56 GMT
Destroy for me. I picked Synthesis on accident with my first Shepard. The rest are all Destroy. She didn't come that far to be some sort of techno goddess. In her mind, it could be only a matter of time before she became as bad as the Starbrat. Synthesis was too much of a violation of free will in my opinion. The Shepards I played all liked and cared about EDI and the geth. Brokered peace between the quarians and the geth in every single session.
However, for the greater good, it had to end. In the eyes of the Shepards I've played, Reapers shouldn't be controlled or merged with. They just needed to be gone once and for all.
*shoots the tube*
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Post by Darth Dennis on Aug 9, 2016 19:49:34 GMT
Did somebody say elephant!?
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Post by kizanare on Aug 9, 2016 19:50:16 GMT
I don't think a reaper can atone or repent - it doesn't seem to have the capacity for that. No reaper has ever displayed the slightest doubt in what they are doing. Anything other than utter destruction is probably just a mere obstacle between them and the completion of the cycle. As long as a reaper exists, you'd have to prevent it from going back to murdering entire civilizations in some way. Reforming a reaper is like trying to teach a lawnmower to grow flowers. It won't happen. It's possible for them to repent.
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Post by outlaworacle on Aug 9, 2016 20:34:49 GMT
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Post by themikefest on Aug 9, 2016 20:50:07 GMT
Destroy for me. I picked Synthesis on accident with my first Shepard. I've read posts from folks who didn't want to pick the green, but because they had Shepard walk forward too far, the cutscene took over.
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Post by Rifneno on Aug 9, 2016 20:50:51 GMT
I don't think a reaper can atone or repent - it doesn't seem to have the capacity for that. No reaper has ever displayed the slightest doubt in what they are doing. Anything other than utter destruction is probably just a mere obstacle between them and the completion of the cycle. As long as a reaper exists, you'd have to prevent it from going back to murdering entire civilizations in some way. Reforming a reaper is like trying to teach a lawnmower to grow flowers. It won't happen. It's possible for them to repent. And again you've confused your headcanon with actual canon. Headcanons are fine, as long people realize that's all they are.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 9, 2016 21:12:01 GMT
It's possible for them to repent. And again you've confused your headcanon with actual canon. Headcanons are fine, as long people realize that's all they are. Ditto for your assumption that Control is a bad idea -- it's headcanon. Mine's a bit more chipper. Because why not? Might as well preserve all those past civilizations in SOME form, instead of just eradicating all that knowledge from the galaxy.
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Post by outlaworacle on Aug 9, 2016 21:23:39 GMT
Destroy for me. I picked Synthesis on accident with my first Shepard. I've read posts from folks who didn't want to pick the green, but because they had Shepard walk forward too far, the cutscene took over. This happened to me the first time. I was very confused and thought that maybe the game automatically decided your choice based on some accumulation of your past choices. There was much, much nerdrage until I reloaded and tried again.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Aug 9, 2016 21:26:02 GMT
The idea that control is a bad idea is not headcanon. Any attempt to control anything in the trilogy has backfired hopelessly. It's a valid consideration. It's something you can't be sure of. Unless you wholeheartedly trust what the Reaper Overlord has to say. Not exactly the most reliable narrator, I'd say. It's just as much headcanon to think it'll all be okay. You don't know.
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Post by Rifneno on Aug 9, 2016 21:54:16 GMT
Ditto for your assumption that Control is a bad idea -- it's headcanon. No. My notion that control might backfire is backed up by actual content and being able to put 2 and 2 together. Your headcanon that Shepard goes all reclusive is absolutely refuted by in-game evidence. There is 0% chance it's true. That's simply all there is to it. Yeah, and why not? It's not like Lovecraftian horror stories aren't chipper. The idea that control is a bad idea is not headcanon. Any attempt to control anything in the trilogy has backfired hopelessly. You mean like how Cerberus tried to control... anything, and they always broke free and went murdery on them? Or rewrite Shepard tried to control the geth and then they went back to the Reapers? Or how the Reapers tried to control the geth after that, but the geth broke free and started attacking them? Or how the Leviathans tried to control the Reapers, but they betrayed them and killed them? Or how TIM tried to control the Reapers and ended up indoctrinated? Or how the quarians tried to control the geth and wound up losing their homeworld and becoming space gypsies with space AIDS? Or... eh, screw it, you get the idea. Control constantly backfiring is a major theme of the series. There's a reason the one I used for control is "I have no pattern recognition." In before controllers insist that this is somehow different from every other instance because <arbitrary reason here>.
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Post by QU67 on Aug 9, 2016 23:42:24 GMT
Destroy. It breaks my heart knowing that Legion sacrifices itself for nothing (ultimately), but the Quarians could always recreate the Geth if they wished. Besides, Star **** seems deadset against destroying the Reapers, so why not say, "**** you, *****. I've been Paragon throughout this entire series, now I'm gonna go Renegade. **** YOU AND **** THIS ENDING!"
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 10, 2016 0:49:49 GMT
Look, when I upgrade my computer, it changes. And that's what you're doing. Shepard, the fallible human, is dead in control. What s/he's being replaced with is a program. What we see the Shepalyst doing is largely positive, and the ending breaks the fourth wall to tell you Shepard stopped the Reapers.
What happened afterwards is headcanon, and it's certainly headcanon to assume it all went terribly wrong.
And, again, there's a direct message from the writers telling you it stopped the Reapers, sooooooooo....
But if you insist on the glass being half empty, then I'm not going to stop you. I'm just saying, my view of the ending is just as valid and backed up by the game as yours is. Granted, I've always found "Man was not meant to know this" stories a bit trite and annoying. More knowledge is generally positive, and humanity hasn't killed itself peaking behind the curtain yet.
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Post by opuspace on Aug 10, 2016 3:16:10 GMT
There's no good way I can voice my thoughts on the ending without going into rant mode. I'll try to keep it brief. I had no problem with Shepard dying. I had a huge problem with the Catalyst's circular logic and self-fulfilling prophecy. I had a huge dislike of the attempts to convince me that the Reapers were benign, impartial caretakers after seeing the levels of sloppy psychological horror they inflicted when it could have been done a lot more efficiently. Control was being recommended by someone so far gone in the head that his thinking was very questionable. Synthesis was just insulting in its simplistic portrayal of people's reactions after an overwhelming amount of pain, fear, rage and stress. Destroy was the only option that actually respected the tone of the story. That ragged feel of victory where too many people died once the relief of winning wore off. The endings are such a mess that I feel like quoting Mythbusters when I say,"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
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Post by kizanare on Aug 10, 2016 5:40:29 GMT
Starchild was the type of person you could talk to, he said "my plan won't work anymore" it's almost like he's asking for a solution himself, on behalf of the Reapers.
They seem very receptive to change.
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 10, 2016 6:54:50 GMT
Starchild was the type of person you could talk to, he said "my plan won't work anymore" it's almost like he's asking for a solution himself, on behalf of the Reapers. They seem very receptive to change. That seems like
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Post by opuspace on Aug 10, 2016 7:01:57 GMT
Starchild was the type of person you could talk to, he said "my plan won't work anymore" it's almost like he's asking for a solution himself, on behalf of the Reapers. They seem very receptive to change. That seems like I think it's telling the truth, in a severe mentally ill kind of way. Like how some schizophrenics are convinced people are out to get them. For them, it's the truth even if you're trying to tell them you have no idea what they're talking about.
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 10, 2016 7:31:21 GMT
That seems like I think it's telling the truth, in a severe mentally ill kind of way. Like how some schizophrenics are convinced people are out to get them. For them, it's the truth even if you're trying to tell them you have no idea what they're talking about. that's why i shot it
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