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Post by Rifneno on Aug 10, 2016 10:47:23 GMT
Look, when I upgrade my computer, it changes. And that's what you're doing. Shepard, the fallible human, is dead in control. What s/he's being replaced with is a program. What we see the Shepalyst doing is largely positive, and the ending breaks the fourth wall to tell you Shepard stopped the Reapers. Oh yes. It's exactly the same as putting in an extra stick of RAM. Beautiful analogy that. It says something like it'll "protect the many". It does not go into what said "protection" is. Again, largely ambiguous. Largely positive? Oh, you mean the Reapers helping rebuild stuff? Yeah, that seems like a good idea. I mean it's not like their very presence drives other species mad or anything. You mean that "BUY DLC AND OVALTINE!" nonsense? Doesn't that even come up if you picked refuse and let the Reapers harvest this cycle? Hahaha. I take it you have no idea how many times civilization was almost obliterated during the cold war. Starchild was the type of person you could talk to, he said "my plan won't work anymore" it's almost like he's asking for a solution himself, on behalf of the Reapers. They seem very receptive to change. Wow. Just, just... wow.
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Post by Rifneno on Aug 10, 2016 11:01:54 GMT
Oppps, forgot to reply to this one. Starchild was the type of person you could talk to, he said "my plan won't work anymore" it's almost like he's asking for a solution himself, on behalf of the Reapers. They seem very receptive to change. That seems like A ruse? Why, whatever do you mean? What would that be? Getting Shepard to touch a Reaper artifact that shoots arcs of electricity everywhere when someone touches it -- -- And which turned them into a Reaper slave with gray skin that you could see wires beneath -- -- and which gave TIM his trademark eyes? Why, I don't remember anything like THAT in compromising with Starbinger!
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Post by opuspace on Aug 10, 2016 11:50:26 GMT
Starchild was the type of person you could talk to, he said "my plan won't work anymore" it's almost like he's asking for a solution himself, on behalf of the Reapers. They seem very receptive to change. There is dialogue with the starchild about the control option and if Shepard refuses the idea, the starchild will actually say they don't look forward to being replaced but they'd be forced to accept it.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 10, 2016 14:07:25 GMT
There is dialogue with the starchild about the control option and if Shepard refuses the idea, the starchild will actually say they don't look forward to being replaced but they'd be forced to accept it. It would seem that the thing doesn't want to be replaced suggesting it enjoyed playing with its toys every 50 000 years. Also the bolded part, the thing hesitates for a second when saying that. Why would a machine hesitate?
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Post by opuspace on Aug 10, 2016 14:09:46 GMT
There is dialogue with the starchild about the control option and if Shepard refuses the idea, the starchild will actually say they don't look forward to being replaced but they'd be forced to accept it. It would seem that the thing doesn't want to be replaced suggesting it enjoyed playing with its toys every 50 000 years. Also the bolded part, the thing hesitates for a second when saying that. Why would a machine hesitate? Careful, if it's a parody of Lovecraftian horror, our minds will explode from thinking about it too much!
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Post by Beregond5 on Aug 10, 2016 14:15:00 GMT
Starchild was the type of person you could talk to, he said "my plan won't work anymore" it's almost like he's asking for a solution himself, on behalf of the Reapers. They seem very receptive to change. There is dialogue with the starchild about the control option and if Shepard refuses the idea, the starchild will actually say they don't look forward to being replaced but they'd be forced to accept it. Shepard: Haaaaaarbinger... Harbinger: Shepard. Shepard: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL! Harbinger: Oh shi--! ...I regret nothing.
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Post by opuspace on Aug 10, 2016 14:43:29 GMT
There is dialogue with the starchild about the control option and if Shepard refuses the idea, the starchild will actually say they don't look forward to being replaced but they'd be forced to accept it. Shepard: Haaaaaarbinger... Harbinger: Shepard. Shepard: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL! Harbinger: Oh shi--! ...I regret nothing. If you're going to go out, go out with a bang! I gotta hand it to those who choose Control; If the intention is to troll the Reapers for the rest of eternity, I can see the appeal. Too bad it feels just too risky for me.
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Post by Rifneno on Aug 10, 2016 15:05:28 GMT
If you're going to go out, go out with a bang! I gotta hand it to those who choose Control; If the intention is to troll the Reapers for the rest of eternity, I can see the appeal. Too bad it feels just too risky for me. Yeah, that's exactly why I said if control was really Shepard, I'd march them into the supermassive black hole. Marching them into a star would insta-kill them. Black holes... well, there's a lot of theories on what happens to you when you fall into a black hole and exactly zero of them are in any way pleasant.
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Post by Beregond5 on Aug 10, 2016 15:38:30 GMT
If you're going to go out, go out with a bang! I gotta hand it to those who choose Control; If the intention is to troll the Reapers for the rest of eternity, I can see the appeal. Too bad it feels just too risky for me. And that's perfectly understandable. I choose Control, and yet I'd be lying if I said that there aren't any risks with the choice. Unfortunately, Destroy and especially Synthesis are more unappealing to me (I'm not even going to acknowledge Refuse). The best I can do is headcanon that nothing bad comes out of it. Of course, there's always ME3HEM mod... I'm starting to think that I should download it at some point.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 10, 2016 16:45:04 GMT
Hahaha. I take it you have no idea how many times civilization was almost obliterated during the cold war. I know -- and yet, here we are, generally in a better place, with more knowledge. Which is kind of my point. And I'm really glad the "Buy DLC" thing is gone. That was absolutely terrible, and its replacement is much classier. What the Shepalyst will do afterwards is completely ambiguous. There's no reason to assume it's gonna go all Skynet, though.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Aug 10, 2016 17:39:14 GMT
Plenty of reasons. More reasons in fact than for the opposite.
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Post by straykat on Aug 10, 2016 18:33:34 GMT
A lot more Destroyers than I expected. Good
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Post by Rifneno on Aug 10, 2016 18:42:20 GMT
I know -- and yet, here we are, generally in a better place, with more knowledge. Which is kind of my point. Do you really? Let me tell you a couple stories. One for each side to make it fair. Somebody tripped an alarm at an American nuclear site. They hit the high alert button so all the other bases knew to keep an eye out for Soviet spies. But some silly bastard wired the alarms wrong at one of the bases. That base didn't get the "watch for intruders" alarm, they got the DEFCON 1 alarm. DEFCON 1 is confirmed nuclear war. They went with the policy for this: make your peace with God, and unload on the USSR. A bomber was loaded with thermonuclear weapons. It was taxiing for take-off when the mistake was discovered and someone drove a car in front of the plane to prevent its takeoff. The bomber was ordered to maintain radio silence. If they had discovered the mistake a couple minutes later and the bomber was airborne, there would've been no way to stop the "counter"attack. Oh, remember the intruder? Just a fucking bear looking for food. Despite the cold war being over because the USSR collapsed a few years prior, Russia immediately shat itself when they detected what appeared to be an ICBM headed toward them. Then it got worse. The missile split off into multiple pieces. If you're not familiar with doomsday weapons, this is endemic of a MIRV, or (M)ultiple (I)ndependently targetable (R)eentry (V)ehicle. A type of ICBM that splits off into several smaller missiles in mid-air and each seeks out a different target. So Russia has what appears to be a MIRV headed for it. They had 10 minutes to make the call on whether to launch their own nukes back at the United States. See, you have to launch before the other guy nukes you because your ability to counterattack is removed along with tens of millions of lives. This is the only time the USSR/Russian "nuclear briefcase" was ever opened. That's how close they were. With less than a minute left to make the call, the incoming MIRV dropped harmlessly into the ocean. It was actually just a test rocket from NASA that was studying the northern lights. Why would NASA do something so stupid? Well they had warned the Russians, extensively, about it because they knew what it would look like. Somebody in the Russian chain of command thought this message wasn't worth passing along. There's quite a few more stories like this. We're not still here because mankind "peeking behind the curtain" isn't a bad idea. We're here because of sheer dumb LUCK and nothing else.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 10, 2016 18:49:58 GMT
A lot more Destroyers than I expected. Good Good? What do you mean good? Its more like excellent. hahahahaha
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Post by syllogi on Aug 10, 2016 19:09:12 GMT
Much like debates about Loghain, Anders, and Solas over on the Dragon Age side, I have tried to stay away from trying to justify my ME3 choice online, but for what it's worth, my only playthrough that was completed was Destroy. I felt like it was a fitting end, and since our choice doesn't matter, might as well walk away from an explosion like a badass. Well, metaphorically. And in the fanfiction I will probably never write.
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 10, 2016 19:23:25 GMT
There is dialogue with the starchild about the control option and if Shepard refuses the idea, the starchild will actually say they don't look forward to being replaced but they'd be forced to accept it. It would seem that the thing doesn't want to be replaced suggesting it enjoyed playing with its toys every 50 000 years. Also the bolded part, the thing hesitates for a second when saying that. Why would a machine hesitate? to fool you they didn't survive 37,000,000 years by being dumb
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Post by themikefest on Aug 10, 2016 19:29:24 GMT
It would seem that the thing doesn't want to be replaced suggesting it enjoyed playing with its toys every 50 000 years. Also the bolded part, the thing hesitates for a second when saying that. Why would a machine hesitate? to fool you they didn't survive 37,000,000 years by being dumb They were in this cycle for the galaxy to have a chance to defeat them
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 10, 2016 19:36:27 GMT
to fool you they didn't survive 37,000,000 years by being dumb They were in this cycle for the galaxy to have a chance to defeat them that's not why they came here
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Post by Rifneno on Aug 10, 2016 19:38:26 GMT
It would seem that the thing doesn't want to be replaced suggesting it enjoyed playing with its toys every 50 000 years. Also the bolded part, the thing hesitates for a second when saying that. Why would a machine hesitate? to fool you they didn't survive 37,000,000 years by being dumb *1,000,000,000+. That's how old the Leviathan of Dis was dated. They were in this cycle for the galaxy to have a chance to defeat them A shitload of stuff went wrong for them this cycle, without any number of unlikely scenarios in succession they'd have won. The Protheans hacking the keepers, Shepard turning out to be impossible to kill in combat and highly resistant to indoctrination, Sovereign getting bested at the Citadel, the Collectors being destroyed, the Alpha relay being destroyed... victory hinged on so many highly improbable events happening. Law of averages always wins in the end though.
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 10, 2016 19:45:30 GMT
to fool you they didn't survive 37,000,000 years by being dumb *1,000,000,000+. That's how old the Leviathan of Dis was dated. They were in this cycle for the galaxy to have a chance to defeat them A shitload of stuff went wrong for them this cycle, without any number of unlikely scenarios in succession they'd have won. The Protheans hacking the keepers, Shepard turning out to be impossible to kill in combat and highly resistant to indoctrination, Sovereign getting bested at the Citadel, the Collectors being destroyed, the Alpha relay being destroyed... victory hinged on so many highly improbable events happening. Law of averages always wins in the end though. Interesting aside I just thought of after reading this... in ME2 they said Cerberus put some "black box" devices in the new and improved Shepard body or something. I'd of course originally assumed it was Reaper Tech, and that eventually Shep would become Indoctrinated, but since that didn't happen... We know that TIM meant well, and really did want to defeat the Reapers somehow, before his Indoctrination became too strong for him to resist anymore. Perhaps that small part of him that was still trying to resist in ME2 (though it was becomming increasingly harder for him to do so as the game went on) had those black boxes installed as a means of ANTI-Indoctrination? He knew that he wasn't going to succeed in defeating the Reapers, and Shep was his Ace in the hole. He knew he was Indoctrinated, but perhaps he'd learned enough about how it worked that he could immunize Shep from it as his final act of defiance before completely losing his mind to Reaper control. Since that particular point was never mentioned again, we can only speculate.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 10, 2016 19:52:42 GMT
A shitload of stuff went wrong for them this cycle, without any number of unlikely scenarios in succession they'd have won. The Protheans hacking the keepers, Shepard turning out to be impossible to kill in combat and highly resistant to indoctrination, Sovereign getting bested at the Citadel, the Collectors being destroyed, the Alpha relay being destroyed... victory hinged on so many highly improbable events happening. Law of averages always wins in the end though. The reapers win by numbers alone even with the galaxy having the plans to the crucible - the detroyer destroying the two shuttles instead of the Normandy - the destroyer firing vertically instead of horizontally at Shepard on Tuchanka - the destroyer on Rannoch firing vertically instead of horizontally at Shepard - not shutting off the beam in London - not posting a few reapers to guard the relays - not going to the Citadel first For the reapers being so high and mighty, they sure come across as complete idiots The only way to defeat them is to find the plans to the device, build it, then use it before the reapers enter the galaxy
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 10, 2016 20:03:09 GMT
A shitload of stuff went wrong for them this cycle, without any number of unlikely scenarios in succession they'd have won. The Protheans hacking the keepers, Shepard turning out to be impossible to kill in combat and highly resistant to indoctrination, Sovereign getting bested at the Citadel, the Collectors being destroyed, the Alpha relay being destroyed... victory hinged on so many highly improbable events happening. Law of averages always wins in the end though. The reapers win by numbers alone even with the galaxy having the plans to the crucible - the detroyer destroying the two shuttles instead of the Normandy - the destroyer firing vertically instead of horizontally at Shepard on Tuchanka - the destroyer on Rannoch firing vertically instead of horizontally at Shepard - not shutting off the beam in London - not posting a few reapers to guard the relays - not going to the Citadel first For the reapers being so high and mighty, they sure come across as complete idiots The only way to defeat them is to find the plans to the device, build it, then use it before the reapers enter the galaxy
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Post by Rifneno on Aug 10, 2016 21:24:33 GMT
A shitload of stuff went wrong for them this cycle, without any number of unlikely scenarios in succession they'd have won. The Protheans hacking the keepers, Shepard turning out to be impossible to kill in combat and highly resistant to indoctrination, Sovereign getting bested at the Citadel, the Collectors being destroyed, the Alpha relay being destroyed... victory hinged on so many highly improbable events happening. Law of averages always wins in the end though. The reapers win by numbers alone even with the galaxy having the plans to the crucible - the detroyer destroying the two shuttles instead of the Normandy - the destroyer firing vertically instead of horizontally at Shepard on Tuchanka - the destroyer on Rannoch firing vertically instead of horizontally at Shepard - not shutting off the beam in London - not posting a few reapers to guard the relays - not going to the Citadel first For the reapers being so high and mighty, they sure come across as complete idiots The only way to defeat them is to find the plans to the device, build it, then use it before the reapers enter the galaxy A lot of them are fine if you figure that the Reapers don't want Shepard dead, they want him indoctrinated, they want him part of the human Reaper. I'm not saying IT, I'm just saying that they wanted to harness Shepard's power. Sure, they could kill him, but they want to give him a fighting chance. If he survives, he's worthy of being part of and perhaps leading the next Reaper. If he doesn't, "the dead are worthless." The biggest plothole then is the fact the Reapers never took back the Citadel to lock down the relays. They did say there was a mission to explain that but it got cut for time along with things like the alternate "if the rachni queen is dead" mission. We can only speculate on it but at least BW did acknowledge this flaw and had plans to fix it. I just headcanon that the Protheans broke it so badly that it'd take them a long time to fix it and they'd have subdued the major resistance by then anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 23:20:38 GMT
I barely remember what I picked for my first play ... Red ... it was within days of game release ... so no DLC.
I skipped out of any more SP and did MP for a long time.
Bought all the DLC, but didn't play SP.
Then installed MEHEM and that's the option I've done ever since.
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