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Post by Garo on Sept 10, 2016 21:22:37 GMT
Well, but it would be probably pretty scary in real life.
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 21:24:49 GMT
Well, but it would be probably pretty scary in real life. I don't mean it's not scary. I just mean it's the kind many would want to kill. There's a lot of things like that in reality, but it pushes you to fight back instead. I think the Catalyst knows this too. It's more successful at screwing with your mind (the child). And Bioware knows it - they're successful at creating pity via a Trojan horse, like EDI or Legion.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 13, 2016 1:44:42 GMT
Destroy. My survival and happiness is more important to me then the Geth and EDI.
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Post by kalvarez on Sept 13, 2016 2:12:54 GMT
After experiencing all the endings once, my canon ending is to not play the ending. Me too. ME for me ended after the citadel party. Reapers? Shep was too busy with Kaidan to care about such nonsense.
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Post by straykat on Sept 13, 2016 5:03:37 GMT
Destroy. My survival and happiness is more important to me then the Geth and EDI. So simple. I like it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 13, 2016 19:34:05 GMT
Destroy. My survival and happiness is more important to me then the Geth and EDI. So simple. I like it. I like it too. Plus, there's always some part of me that says "they're machines. we can rebuilt them."
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Post by TopTrog on Sept 15, 2016 2:05:21 GMT
Red was my choice. And it was a hard one to make as it involves genocide, which is justifiably called the "crime of crimes" in international law. Genocide is what the Reapers do (although they see it differently and they may actually have a point from their extreme perspective, more on that below), so they have to go. Irreversibly so, even if it involves committing the act myself in some variation of cosmic irony. Looking back, Synthesis actually looks like it was intended to be the "best" ending based on the cutscenes in the extended version. But that information is not available at the time of the decision, and there are more reasons against it than for it when the choice has to be made. I actually liked the reaper story and unlike many I don´t think that their point of view was just silly. The "salvation through destruction" theme for me was based on them seeing the purpose of life as the preservation of information. More specifically, the preservation of DNA. Putting any philosophical considerations aside for the moment, the data available to us and evolutionary theory consistent with it points into the direction that there is nothing magical about life at all, that living beings are basically serving the purpose of perpetuating the replicators inside (genes). Taking this basis to its extreme (as a purely logical machine without any philosophical considerations may be inclined to do), one may actually come to the conclusion that conserving those genes inside immortal, invincible machines may just be the best solution to the "problem" of preserving life given the game´s background of "organics creating synthetics and are inevitably being wiped out by them". Besides my disagreement about the inevitability of this (the past being able to predict the future with certaintly is a logical fallacy imo), this is just the kind of extreme viewpoint that an alien intelligence with zero grasp on what makes life meaningful to us might hold. Life is a journey and not simply a means to an end. It is stated very clearly throughout the series that the essence of what makes us human is merely viewed as an annoying "propensity for chaos" by the Reapers. If they had this simple insight into human nature, it would have been trivially easy for the catalyst to convey. This was not done, so I have to assume that this insight was either not there or it was not considered important even at the point when one of the simple organic beings in question is chosen to decide the fate of the galaxy and all its inhabitants. I like to view the fact that we were actually allowed by the catalyst to make the choice at the end as adding some value/sincerity to their overall motivations (besides being a plot device). But that is not nearly good enough to choose a "synthesis" ending that is recommended by someone who either does not grasp (bad) or does not acknowledge (worse) that there are things that make life worthwile for organics besides preserving genetic information. Blue is not an option. Playing god may sound nice on paper, but I see no way this could turn out well. So you´re asking a mere human like me to merge with an army of genocidal super-AIs to "guide" the galaxy ? Thanks, but "no, thanks". Please see yourself out while I push the "red" button .
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Post by dzejkob on Sept 15, 2016 2:32:20 GMT
Red.
Since blue seemed to be like a loaded weapon that you're aiming at your foot without safety on and green seemed to be like something from Disney...
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Post by naughtynomad on Sept 18, 2016 5:51:32 GMT
I've given this a great deal of thought. It's actually a pretty agonizing decision which in retrospect makes me think the ending of the ME milky way galaxy was well written.
Control is obviously not a good ending unless you're going for human supremacy.
But between destroy and synthesis, I was torn. Synthesis is the ending where everyone gets a happy ending except Shephard. He sacrifices himself to left every denizen of the Milky Way galaxy reach a higher level of evolution. Something possibly unique in the whole universe. Effectively stopping the wars between synthetics and organics which have raged for eons.
Initially I thought that's the best ending. But after choosing it something never quite sat right with me. And I've finally put my finger one why.
It is the nature of life, of humanity, to never give up. We never want to accept that just because there's the possibility of pain, that we won't fight for the opposite outcome. We have faith and spirit, that just because it happened on the past doesn't have to mean the future will go the same way.
This is why the "destroy" ending is actually the best. We keep fighting. We don't give up and accept the compromise. We have faith that we can make a better future.
Now the obvious drawbacks to this are the deaths of EDI and the whole Geth race. EDI already states that she is willing to sacrifice her life to protect Jeff and her friends. Just like Shephard is. So her death is understandable. The sacrifice of the Geth is what truly makes this difficult. But between all the options given, this seems to be the best one.
The epilogue showing how the United galaxy rebuilds the relays and citadel shows how Destroy works out for the best. I do feel badly for Joker, EDI, and the Geth, but for the overall fate of the galaxy it seems the most.... Hopeful.
Synthesis is nice...I'll probably keep both saves. But destroy really rings the most true for me. And as the one which requires the highest Ems score, the game itself kinda supports this as the best ending.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 18, 2016 7:15:49 GMT
I've given this a great deal of thought. It's actually a pretty agonizing decision which in retrospect makes me think the ending of the ME milky way galaxy was well written. Control is obviously not a good ending unless you're going for human supremacy. But between destroy and synthesis, I was torn. Synthesis is the ending where everyone gets a happy ending except Shephard. He sacrifices himself to left every denizen of the Milky Way galaxy reach a higher level of evolution. Something possibly unique in the whole universe. Effectively stopping the wars between synthetics and organics which have raged for eons. Initially I thought that's the best ending. But after choosing it something never quite sat right with me. And I've finally put my finger one why. I've done synthesis but I agree it's not necessarily the best outcome for any number of reasons. Realistically, just because machines and organics aren't fighting anymore doesn't mean the fighting stops. It just changes the "DNA" of who is fighting. Reapers could STILL choose to fight humans/asari/etc. if they want. It could change nothing. We just don't know at the time of making the choice. Destroy is obviously better.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 18, 2016 15:00:20 GMT
Synthesis. Jump the entire galaxy into the future past all the time and conflict that would develop not only between races but between organics and synthetics on the inevitable path towards that future.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 18, 2016 15:07:27 GMT
Well, but it would be probably pretty scary in real life. I don't mean it's not scary. I just mean it's the kind many would want to kill. There's a lot of things like that in reality, but it pushes you to fight back instead. I think the Catalyst knows this too. It's more successful at screwing with your mind (the child). And Bioware knows it - they're successful at creating pity via a Trojan horse, like EDI or Legion. That is because your not there and because for game play reason all husks and indeed all Reaper troops still look like their original selves. But due to game play reason trying to develop hundreds of unique models for players to shoot isn't viable option. And the Reaper method of warfare is constant attack using the populace as a ready and constant supply of troops. Meaning the constant husk attacks effects the soldiers mental capabilities though constant life or death attacks. Combine that with the multitude of victories that happen across the galaxy. You are not giving credit were credit is due.
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Post by joy on Sept 18, 2016 21:32:03 GMT
On my first playthrough I remember that I chose blue. I was so mad at the kid and at one point he said that if Shepard took control, He/she will take his spot and that he wasn't ok with that but he will have no other choice than to deal with it. So I took control to troll him since he ruined the ending for me, but destroy is the ideal ending because that what Shepard wanted to do since me1. Choosing control or synthesis will make Shepard a hypocrite since he/she fought saren and the illusive man who wanted to do those choices.
Even though destroy is the ideal, with the extended cut I choose a lot control since at the end it is my Shepard talking instead of Hackett and the dialogue slightly change depending of if I played with a renegade, paragon or neutral shepard.
I never chose Synthesis, it's the worst choice imo, why would you change the dna of everybody without their consent?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 19, 2016 1:38:57 GMT
Choosing control or synthesis will make Shepard a hypocrite since he/she fought saren and the illusive man who wanted to do those choices. Going to request how you came to that conclusion
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 19, 2016 2:03:40 GMT
Nah but for real tho. I chose it cause star brat did say it was inevitable. So why not speed it up and put an end to the reapers' genocidal tendencies? I never understood this logic. The Reapers (and that's what Starbrat is, the Reapers) said many things. They also said there can be no end to the cycles. Even ignoring the potential that they could be lying, they can't see the future. Just because they say something will happen doesn't mean it will. Like, it's a universe of endless possibilities. We could go to war with some other organic species on the same level or worse than the krogan or rachni and we're too busy to create killbots. Or there can be another machine uprising, but instead of organics getting wiped out, the machines are put down and they live to fight another millennia. Or the galaxy goes through heat death after eons of trucking on and the machine apocalypse fails to happen before that time.
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Post by joy on Sept 19, 2016 9:16:07 GMT
Choosing control or synthesis will make Shepard a hypocrite since he/she fought saren and the illusive man who wanted to do those choices. Going to request how you came to that conclusion Saren wanted to change the organics and synthetics by having a new race which, as he said, will have the strengh and the weaknesses of both. Which is exactly what synthesis do. The illusive man never hid that he wanted to control the reapers. In the case if Shepard chose synthesis or control, Shepard spent the 3 mass effect games fighting those ideas but 10 minutes before the end of the game, shepard is like finally those choices weren't wrong. That makes Shepard a hypocrite imo.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 19, 2016 13:12:01 GMT
Going to request how you came to that conclusion Saren wanted to change the organics and synthetics by having a new race which, as he said, will have the strengh and the weaknesses of both. Which is exactly what synthesis do. The illusive man never hid that he wanted to control the reapers. In the case if Shepard chose synthesis or control, Shepard spent the 3 mass effect games fighting those ideas but 10 minutes before the end of the game, shepard is like finally those choices weren't wrong. That makes Shepard a hypocrite imo. Looking that up Saren actually calls himself the future a true cyborg the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither. Saren himself doesn't seek to turn everyone into him. His actions are based around the thought that if he and organics prove themselves useful the Reapers won't kill them. Because machines only care about what is useful and not useful. In his mind anyways. Oh yes TIM was very open about how he wanted to control the Reapers. How certainly is important but why is sometimes even more important. And this seems to be a reoccurring theme I've noticed and not really sure of it's origin in our real world social set up. Shepard's actions for control are vastly different from TIM's. And just because they both involved gaining control of the Reapers doesn't mean it is exactly the same. You know the difference between a surgeon and a murder cutting someone open? The Surgeon is attempting to help the person they are cutting cutting apart. The murder simply wants to kill them.
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Post by joy on Sept 19, 2016 21:54:54 GMT
Saren wanted to change the organics and synthetics by having a new race which, as he said, will have the strengh and the weaknesses of both. Which is exactly what synthesis do. The illusive man never hid that he wanted to control the reapers. In the case if Shepard chose synthesis or control, Shepard spent the 3 mass effect games fighting those ideas but 10 minutes before the end of the game, shepard is like finally those choices weren't wrong. That makes Shepard a hypocrite imo. Looking that up Saren actually calls himself the future a true cyborg the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither. Saren himself doesn't seek to turn everyone into him. His actions are based around the thought that if he and organics prove themselves useful the Reapers won't kill them. Because machines only care about what is useful and not useful. In his mind anyways. Oh yes TIM was very open about how he wanted to control the Reapers. How certainly is important but why is sometimes even more important. And this seems to be a reoccurring theme I've noticed and not really sure of it's origin in our real world social set up. Shepard's actions for control are vastly different from TIM's. And just because they both involved gaining control of the Reapers doesn't mean it is exactly the same. You know the difference between a surgeon and a murder cutting someone open? The Surgeon is attempting to help the person they are cutting cutting apart. The murder simply wants to kill them. For the Saren part you're right i was mistaken that he didn't want "weak organics" with him, I haven't play me1 (because ps3), only watch some vids, so I'm not really familiar with him. A part of me still don't sit with well with choosing synthesis, i don't think Shepard should have the right to change everyone DNA without their consent. For the TIM part, it can be argue by the fact that we are not really sure of what TIM was planning to do if he was able to control the reaper. I'm going to play the devil advocate but all we know is that he wanted humanity ascension. For Shepard, it depends of how you play the whole trilogy. If you listen what renegade Shepard says during the speech he/she had on control, he/she can be worst than the illusive man.
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Sept 19, 2016 23:19:19 GMT
Red, for several years. Only recently did I choose Blue to keep the Geth around after I made peace with them and the Quarians.
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Post by isaidlunch on Sept 20, 2016 2:02:09 GMT
Green because I agreed with the Catalyst and I like the eerie feeling that it has. Seeing that Kasumi slide was my favorite moment in the trilogy.
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Post by Sweet FA on Sept 20, 2016 3:36:05 GMT
Choose destroy with a clear conscience, everybody knows that all synthetics go to silicon heaven.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 20, 2016 6:49:13 GMT
Choose destroy with a clear conscience, everybody knows that all synthetics go to silicon heaven. Even the toasters?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 20, 2016 15:14:39 GMT
Looking that up Saren actually calls himself the future a true cyborg the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither. Saren himself doesn't seek to turn everyone into him. His actions are based around the thought that if he and organics prove themselves useful the Reapers won't kill them. Because machines only care about what is useful and not useful. In his mind anyways. Oh yes TIM was very open about how he wanted to control the Reapers. How certainly is important but why is sometimes even more important. And this seems to be a reoccurring theme I've noticed and not really sure of it's origin in our real world social set up. Shepard's actions for control are vastly different from TIM's. And just because they both involved gaining control of the Reapers doesn't mean it is exactly the same. You know the difference between a surgeon and a murder cutting someone open? The Surgeon is attempting to help the person they are cutting cutting apart. The murder simply wants to kill them. For the Saren part you're right i was mistaken that he didn't want "weak organics" with him, I haven't play me1 (because ps3), only watch some vids, so I'm not really familiar with him. A part of me still don't sit with well with choosing synthesis, i don't think Shepard should have the right to change everyone DNA without their consent. For the TIM part, it can be argue by the fact that we are not really sure of what TIM was planning to do if he was able to control the reaper. I'm going to play the devil advocate but all we know is that he wanted humanity ascension. For Shepard, it depends of how you play the whole trilogy. If you listen what renegade Shepard says during the speech he/she had on control, he/she can be worst than the illusive man. Well with synthesis is kind of boils down to what makes a person a person. Is it their physical body? Their accumulated experiences? Would someone upgrading their body with cybernetic enhancements now becomes someone completely different? My general view is a person is the sum of their personal experiences not their DNA. Anyone with siblings can see this in action as even my twin sisters as they got older diverged further and further from each other. Separated only by their own personal unique experiences rather then DNA. So not only is it improving everyone with synthesis but it is also preventing a long and bloody war that would kill billions before it could be solved. And on top of that people objecting to it simply do so because it is change. In game so many people and groups show a desire to hold onto status quo without change. And any change that happens is viewed as bad instantly. Volus practically invented the galactic economy and they don't even get their own embassy. Batarians have access to advanced technology and drones and yet won't give up slavery because reasons. Asari hordes a Prothean computer because they have been lying so much if it were to ever be found out it would destroy the image and place in the galaxy. Turians are so obsessed about their Hierarchy they waged a bloody civil war between colonies. Salarains even after the effect of the Krogan uplift they still continue to meddle in the affairs of less developed races. TIM was pretty straight forward about how he would use the Repaers. Use them and their technology to ensure humanity became the dominate species and all other being subservient to them. This is stark contrast to what Shepard would do. Even renegade Shepard wouldn't be that much of a prick.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 20, 2016 16:06:40 GMT
Hahahahaha. My Shepard would use the reapers to advance humanity ahead of all the other species. That's not being a "prick". Its looking out for your own species. But that will never happen since I don't pick the blue.
I don't care about the green because its something that is forced
Just use the handgun. Its very simple. Walk forward a little bit. Turn right at the ramp. Walk up the ramp. Turn left. Walk forward until Bioware takes control of your Shepard since they don't want Shepard shooting at the tube from a distance. Aim the weapon at the tube. Pull trigger. Sit back and watch the reapers fall over. excellent
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 20, 2016 16:40:29 GMT
Looking that up Saren actually calls himself the future a true cyborg the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither. Saren himself doesn't seek to turn everyone into him. His actions are based around the thought that if he and organics prove themselves useful the Reapers won't kill them. Because machines only care about what is useful and not useful. In his mind anyways. Oh yes TIM was very open about how he wanted to control the Reapers. How certainly is important but why is sometimes even more important. And this seems to be a reoccurring theme I've noticed and not really sure of it's origin in our real world social set up. Shepard's actions for control are vastly different from TIM's. And just because they both involved gaining control of the Reapers doesn't mean it is exactly the same. You know the difference between a surgeon and a murder cutting someone open? The Surgeon is attempting to help the person they are cutting cutting apart. The murder simply wants to kill them. I guess I don't see it as terribly different if the oppressors suddenly become the oppressed - because that's what you get with mind control. My Shepard isn't about revenge, he's about making the galaxy safe from Reapers. The best way to do that is to not have Reapers in it anymore. You can play it anyway you want, and the ending scenes certainly do show what's in the foreseeable future, but dammit I don't want to waste my life directing the Reapers when I could be living it with my LI.
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