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Post by The Joe-Man on Mar 16, 2017 16:51:34 GMT
We really have to call it what it is. This isn't a character creator. It's a race chooser. Different hairstyles and clown makeup are "a bonus". I hate to be "that guy" but this has social justice written all over it. It's more about being inclusive than being good. The previous games' CC were terrible if you wanted to create anything other than a Caucasian Shepard- the fact they've actually done something about that is excellent. It's not a one or the other situation, they could have made improvements for creating POC and made a great CC ..but they didn't. See the real problem is not that they were "more about being inclusive" it's that they thought using facescans was a good improvement, despite it seemingly being the reason we lost the most basic of features (changing eyes, lips and nose shapes). It's not excellent if this was their solution.
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Post by adasirin on Mar 16, 2017 16:55:38 GMT
We really have to call it what it is. This isn't a character creator. It's a race chooser. Different hairstyles and clown makeup are "a bonus". I hate to be "that guy" but this has social justice written all over it. It's more about being inclusive than being good. The previous games' CC were terrible if you wanted to create anything other than a Caucasian Shepard- the fact they've actually done something about that is excellent. It's not a one or the other situation, they could have made improvements for creating POC and made a great CC ..but they didn't. See the real problem is not that they were "more about being inclusive" it's that they thought using facescans was a good improvement, despite it seemingly being the reason we lost the most basic of features (changing eyes, lips and nose shapes). I agree with you for the most part. But the simple fact is that, at least for female characters, caucasians seem to have gotten the sh*tty end of the stick this time around. I have still yet to see a single female caucasian character that I think is attractive (yes, I know it's subjective), and I've looked at a lot of attempts. This is basically what people have to use as a starting point if you want a pale-skinned character: i.ytimg.com/vi/CbV0QGpCCDA/sddefault.jpgIt's...not great, to say the least. Especially since the sliders are so limiting. They could have given us this instead, from the MP: i.imgur.com/WbrSbCZ.pngBut they didn't for some bizarre reason. All of the good looking characters I've seen made with this CC have been of other ethnicities. So yes, I can understand the frustration people are having when it comes to creating good looking caucasian females, and I feel the same way.
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Post by Mintty on Mar 16, 2017 17:09:57 GMT
The previous games' CC were terrible if you wanted to create anything other than a Caucasian Shepard- the fact they've actually done something about that is excellent. It's not a one or the other situation, they could have made improvements for creating POC and made a great CC ..but they didn't. See the real problem is not that they were "more about being inclusive" it's that they thought using facescans was a good improvement, despite it seemingly being the reason we lost the most basic of features (changing eyes, lips and nose shapes). I agree with you for the most part. But the simple fact is that, at least for female characters, caucasians seem to have gotten the sh*tty end of the stick this time around. I have still yet to see a single female caucasian character that I think is attractive (yes, I know it's subjective), and I've looked at a lot of attempts. This is basically what people have to use as a starting point if you want a pale-skinned character: i.ytimg.com/vi/CbV0QGpCCDA/sddefault.jpgIt's...not great, to say the least. Especially since the sliders are so limiting. They could have given us this instead, from the MP: i.imgur.com/WbrSbCZ.pngBut they didn't for some bizarre reason. All of the good looking characters I've seen made with this CC have been of other ethnicities. So yes, I can understand the frustration people are having when it comes to creating good looking caucasian females, and I feel the same way. Oh I do agree that it's hard to make an attractive Caucasian character- I just don't think being able to make an attractive POC is the cause of that. I have tried to recreate myself and being babyfaced and extremely pale- there was simply no way.. I'm hoping that with the possible CC patch there will be an improvement (even if small) in that regard.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 16, 2017 17:13:48 GMT
Watch how people who claimed racial representation in video games don't matter since all races are equal start crawling out of the woodwork now that their options have been constrained. :heh:
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Post by Dazzle on Mar 16, 2017 17:14:09 GMT
You know, if they would even just toss in 2 or 3 more presets that have pale skin and different complexions, I would be placated!
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Post by jli84 on Mar 16, 2017 17:14:10 GMT
Think I found my Ryder. Looks like the bottom preset can make a decent caucasian:
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Post by adasirin on Mar 16, 2017 17:18:31 GMT
Watch how people who claimed racial representation in video games don't matter since all races are equal start crawling out of the woodwork now that their options have been constrained. :heh: Are you aiming that comment at anyone in particular, or are you just making baseless generalisations?
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Post by jjdani on Mar 16, 2017 17:23:21 GMT
This is the first I've ever had to pretty much rant about a cc, wow this is bad I'm so damn upset. I was dead set on my ryders being poc but the hairstyles are not at all what I wanted. I figured Id use the buzz cut then because I pretty much expected that but they even fucked up the buzz cut, It looks like he's balding. How TF do you fuck up a buzz cut? It really makes no sense to me how the cc could be this bad It just feels like pure laziness. It seems like they didn't wanna spend time on a detailed cc so they just decided to give us some scanned faces that we could sorta tweak and call it a day and not to mention most of the male presents look old. How is ryder suppose to be 22 with wrinkles? the male presents look like their 32 some of them look 42. Oh and don't get me started on Alec. So Alec could be black, but he has silky straight hair WTF? Is that suppose to be a perm or something like I don't get it. I mean bethesda was infamous for having terrible cc but they made up for it. Even if the graphics weren't great, they gave us a really great cc in fo4.
And ppl saying it doesnt matter it's just cc, it does matter. If you don't care about cc or don't use it fine, but don't tell ppl that want to use it they shouldn't complain and accept this mediocrity. All we're asking for is basic fucking features and that's apparently too much to ask. I've definitely seen some good looking ryders but, to me most of them look the same. I can tell which presents were used just by looking at the eyebrows, so what's the point of uploading characters anyway. Bioware is known for normally having cc in their games that's like the first thing you can do. This game is a 2017 triple a game and the cc is worse than games that came out in 2012. Honestly, to me and I stress to me, this is one of the worst cc's I've ever had to use. Older cc's are excusable, but for a 2017 game this is terrible. I don't just play these games because of cc, but it's one of the most enjoyable parts for me. I don't even know what Im gonna do with my characters now. I'll definitely make acceptable ryders but they will:
a. most likey look like someone else's ryder b. still won't look even close to what I wanted them to look like.
First big disspointment of this game so far.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 16, 2017 17:23:38 GMT
Are you aiming that comment at anyone in particular No[t yet].
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Post by Forsythia on Mar 16, 2017 17:23:48 GMT
I'm playing the trial with default Sara. It is almost impossible to create a good looking character. And the ones I've seen all look the same anyway. It's really sad. Can't even make a hot ginger lol.
Loving the game a lot, but the cc really is a downer.
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Post by jeir on Mar 16, 2017 17:24:01 GMT
Think I found my Ryder. Looks like the bottom preset can make a decent caucasian: <snippic> Technically, given that there are only three anthropological 'races' (caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid), a 'caucasian' person could have practically any skin tone - from the almost-white of north Europeans to the almost-black of some Indians (dots, not feathers). We're talking about the lack of representation of the former. While your character certainly is 'caucasian', she is still very darkly toned compared to what I (and many others) would like. =/
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Post by adasirin on Mar 16, 2017 17:26:07 GMT
Are you aiming that comment at anyone in particular No[t yet]. Great, so I guess the answer is you were "just making baseless generalisations", then.
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Post by XKnight on Mar 16, 2017 17:31:08 GMT
Think I found my Ryder. Looks like the bottom preset can make a decent caucasian: I've noticed that in looking at various creations. Preset #9 can go somewhat lighter skin, though not full white/pale caucasian. However, even if you manage with preset #9, isn't the Alec Ryder who's tied to #9 black with non-caucasian features?
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Post by Fredward on Mar 16, 2017 17:32:18 GMT
Great, so I guess the answer is you were "just making baseless generalisations", then. If you like. It was really more of a prediction. Because this happens every time an issue of representation comes up. First its laughable. Then it's "We're all equal so you should be fine with no black/gay/women heroes!" Then when they do get included it suddenly is an issue and symptomatic of politics which "don't belong" in games. I apologize if you felt personally affronted though.
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Post by XKnight on Mar 16, 2017 17:33:27 GMT
Think I found my Ryder. Looks like the bottom preset can make a decent caucasian: <snippic> Technically, given that there are only three anthropological 'races' (caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid), a 'caucasian' person could have practically any skin tone - from the almost-white of north Europeans to the almost-black of some Indians (dots, not feathers). We're talking about the lack of representation of the former. While your character certainly is 'caucasian', she is still very darkly toned compared to what I (and many others) would like. =/ when I see that pic of that light skinned MP female, I do want to flip tables because that should have been one of the CC presets.
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Post by rebelishgirl on Mar 16, 2017 17:34:44 GMT
I hope that they somehow work in that you have all skin options for all presets and can choose eye size and select different brows in the patch. I don't get why they didn't put in the eye size when there is one for mouth and nose :DD:
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Post by exo on Mar 16, 2017 17:35:23 GMT
I wish instead of Alec being tied to the preset we choose, that we could select Alec from a set of presets. I mean, depending on how much you change your Ryder, Alec can end up not matching them at all. ThisMy Alec looks like a neanderthal and is dark skinned with dark hair. I used the default brother and my Ryder is light skinned and has nearly-white blonde hair. How does that make sense? The default Alec would've fitted perfectly.
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Post by jli84 on Mar 16, 2017 17:35:57 GMT
Think I found my Ryder. Looks like the bottom preset can make a decent caucasian: <snippic> Technically, given that there are only three anthropological 'races' (caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid), a 'caucasian' person could have practically any skin tone - from the almost-white of north Europeans to the almost-black of some Indians (dots, not feathers). We're talking about the lack of representation of the former. While your character certainly is 'caucasian', she is still very darkly toned compared to what I (and many others) would like. =/ The lighting in that scene doesn't help. She's not that much darker than Cora: Having said that I agree that there should be lighter tones (even much lighter). Just found that I could make a decent looking Ryder that could pass as north european using preset 8 and tought I'd let people know.
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Post by jli84 on Mar 16, 2017 17:36:57 GMT
Think I found my Ryder. Looks like the bottom preset can make a decent caucasian: I've noticed that in looking at various creations. Preset #9 can go somewhat lighter skin, though not full white/pale caucasian. However, even if you manage with preset #9, isn't the Alec Ryder who's tied to #9 black with non-caucasian features? Yes he is. But I can live with that.
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Post by pixiqui on Mar 16, 2017 17:37:38 GMT
This is the first I've ever had to pretty much rant about a cc, wow this is bad I'm so damn upset. I was dead set on my ryders being poc but the hairstyles are not at all what I wanted. I figured Id use the buzz cut then because I pretty much expected that but they even fucked up the buzz cut, It looks like he's balding. How TF do you fuck up a buzz cut? It really makes no sense to me how the cc could be this bad It just feels like pure laziness. It seems like they didn't wanna spend time on a detailed cc so they just decided to give us some scanned faces that we could sorta tweek and call it a day and not to mention most of the male presents look old. How is ryder suppose to be 22 with wrinkles? the male presents look like their 32 some of them look 42. Oh and don't get me started on Alec. So Alec could be black, but he has silky straight hair WTF? Is that suppose to be a perm or something like I don't get it. I mean bestheda was infamous for having terrible cc but they made up for it. Even if the graphics weren't great, they gave us a really great cc in fo4. And ppl saying it doesnt matter it's just cc, it does matter. If you don't care about cc or don't use it fine, but don't tell ppl that want to use it they shouldn't complain and accept this mediocrity. All we're asking for is basic fucking features and that's apparently too much to ask. I've definitely seen some good looking ryders but, to me most of them look the same. I can tell which presents were used just by looking at the eyebrows, so what's the point of uploading characters anyway. Bioware is known for normally having cc in their games that's like the first thing you can do. This game is a 2017 triple a game and the cc is worse than games that came out in 2012. Honestly, to me and I stress to me, this is one of the worst cc's I've ever had to use. Older cc's are excusable, but for a 2017 game this is terrible. I don't just play these games because of cc, but it's one of the most enjoyable parts for me. I don't even know what Im gonna do with my characters now. I'll definitely make acceptable ryders but they will: a. most likey look like someone else's ryder b. still won't look even close to want I wanted them to look like. First big disspointment of this game so far. Your post made me laugh a little lol but yeah the character creation is awful I had to quit the trial last night after about 2-3 hours of restarting and I still couldn't make a ryder I liked. Can I make a good looking ryder? Yes but they don't look like what I want. For the first time I may just have to go with the defaults.
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Post by Gilsa on Mar 16, 2017 17:40:26 GMT
OK. Spent some time in the CC. My thoughts: The CC is more limited in scope than I realized. The lack of mouth/nose/eye shapes is obviously the biggest blow to customization. I felt limited in hair colors since we cannot change eyebrow colors at all. If a hairstyle is too high on the forehead, there is not much to be done to close the gap. The eyebrows and eyes can only go up so far. The ears can't be adjusted at all. I do not think it's possible to modify the CC in a way that we want because once I started playing the game, I could see that the animations were better with fixed features. Yes, there were derpy moments, but I think that applies to all of the presets and the default Sara. There are also some nice moments, too. Anyway, I ended up going with preset #5. Despite the lack of customization (apart from makeup and hair), she really does look like a real person and blends in with the NPCs around her. A few non-spoiler screenshots from the game: Even though I'm dismayed that I still know that's the #5 pixie cut preset, I'm elated that it actually took me like 5 seconds this time to figure that out. You did an AMAZING job with limited tools, tbh. And that preset at least has some freckles. Was that the lightest skin tone you could choose or just a little off the middle? I love it, in any case. If she was an option, I'd choose her over the others immediately. Now I at least have a tiny bit of hope I can make something I won't hate looking at. Thank you. Re: lightest skin tone -- this is 0.10, meaning the slider can go left two more clicks to 0.00. So this is pretty close to the lightest tone, but not quite. I didn't change default Scott and he's pale compared to her. Just one more thing to tease him about. I did forget to include a side picture of this preset so here's how she looks from the side in-game (non-spoiler):
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Post by rebelishgirl on Mar 16, 2017 17:43:16 GMT
I made a caucasian that looks really cute and feminie (at least in my eyes) The picture is a little blurry and she was in the middle of talking so her mouths in action haha :dumb:
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Post by rebelishgirl on Mar 16, 2017 17:51:05 GMT
Even though I'm dismayed that I still know that's the #5 pixie cut preset, I'm elated that it actually took me like 5 seconds this time to figure that out. You did an AMAZING job with limited tools, tbh. And that preset at least has some freckles. Was that the lightest skin tone you could choose or just a little off the middle? I love it, in any case. If she was an option, I'd choose her over the others immediately. Now I at least have a tiny bit of hope I can make something I won't hate looking at. Thank you. Re: lightest skin tone -- this is 0.10, meaning the slider can go left two more clicks to 0.00. So this is pretty close to the lightest tone, but not quite. I didn't change default Scott and he's pale compared to her. Just one more thing to tease him about. I did forget to include a side picture of this preset so here's how she looks from the side in-game (non-spoiler): You have a pretty Ryder! I like the fact that I used the same preset and hairstyle but they don't look like each other. Funny how just a few changes make a new face.
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Post by XKnight on Mar 16, 2017 17:51:50 GMT
I made a caucasian that looks really cute and feminie (at least in my eyes) The picture is a little blurry and she was in the middle of talking so her mouths in action haha :dumb: what preset did you use?
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Post by rebelishgirl on Mar 16, 2017 17:54:07 GMT
I made a caucasian that looks really cute and feminie (at least in my eyes) The picture is a little blurry and she was in the middle of talking so her mouths in action haha :dumb: what preset did you use? I believe it was preset 5
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