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Post by qwib on Mar 19, 2017 14:06:28 GMT
Well we have to disagree on the ugly part then, everyone has different tastes. The age is a simple fix of adding more hair styles and implementing more skin textures. I think they are definetley going to do this or at least there will be some mods for PCs users. The DA:I CC is fantastic and simple to use, I totally agree on that, but DA always had more options and was much better. I don't know why, but with the CC in ME I always felt like they want to force people to use the default faces. Of course, tastes are different, that is why CC needs many options. I would add more diverse presets to this one, as they don't allow changing faces. Younger and better textures as well as more skin-tones and complexions will help, too. Removing genderlock from hair will add options. Hair textures also need reworking. As many others, I would gladly choose a preset for Alec Ryder from the list, it will let the CC not be tied to his appearance. As for the default faces in ME series, this is a good observation. Maybe the initial idea for ME was a game series with a set (male) protagonist and now they subtly try to implement this idea further. Honestly, if they borrowed a DAI CC (with improvements and minor changes), it would be so much better. Both games share the same engine. And yes, I am already looking forward for mods. I had two appearance mods for DAI (higher resolution eye texture and better lashes), I feel I will need a lot more for MEA. Removing the genderlock is actually a fantastic idea and such simple solution. I would be dissapointed if they don't make an update for the CC. I mean half the fun is to share your own version of your character in BW games...
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Post by vyshekryshi on Mar 19, 2017 14:15:59 GMT
It is my understanding that if you do not want to play the default Ryder, you must choose between one of 9-ish preset heads. Once you choose a head, you cannot choose a different nose type, eyebrow type, or eye type. Meaning, if your preset's nose has a bump on the bridge then that's what you get. You get a nose with a bump. You can change the width, height, and depth of the entire nose, but that's it. Right? And the same goes for the eyes, correct? And if, say, your preset has bushy eyebrows - that's what you get. Bushy eyebrows. You can't switch them out for thinner brows, right? And it is my understanding that you cannot bring up a menu of different preset noses, eyes, or brows and select from there, switching one type out for another. Right? All of this is true. You can change the size/position of some elements but not much.
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It is my understanding that if you do not want to play the default Ryder, you must choose between one of 9-ish preset heads. Once you choose a head, you cannot choose a different nose type, eyebrow type, or eye type. Meaning, if your preset's nose has a bump on the bridge then that's what you get. You get a nose with a bump. You can change the width, height, and depth of the entire nose, but that's it. Right? And the same goes for the eyes, correct? And if, say, your preset has bushy eyebrows - that's what you get. Bushy eyebrows. You can't switch them out for thinner brows, right? And it is my understanding that you cannot bring up a menu of different preset noses, eyes, or brows and select from there, switching one type out for another. Right? All of this is true. You can change the size/position of some elements but not much. Sigh. I feared as much. I have little hope they'll expand the CC, too. Looks like ME:A will be a bargain bin game for me. That's ok. I just started Horizon Zero Dawn, plus Persona 5 comes out next month.
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Post by Panda on Mar 19, 2017 15:10:28 GMT
Meaning, if your preset's nose has a bump on the bridge then that's what you get. You get a nose with a bump. You can change the width, height, and depth of the entire nose, but that's it. Right? And the same goes for the eyes, correct? Exactly my problem as well. I want to make Asian guy so I have to choose between preset 1 and preset 4. Preset 1 has "lazy eye" and facial shape I don't care about that much, preset 4 has rough skin texture and bushy eyebrowns. There isn't lot of room to modify the faces.
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Post by XKnight on Mar 19, 2017 15:56:19 GMT
So, I've been watching videos of players who have EA early access. The CC for Andromeda looks terrible. It is my understanding that if you do not want to play the default Ryder, you must choose between one of 9-ish preset heads. Once you choose a head, you cannot choose a different nose type, eyebrow type, or eye type. Meaning, if your preset's nose has a bump on the bridge then that's what you get. You get a nose with a bump. You can change the width, height, and depth of the entire nose, but that's it. Right? And the same goes for the eyes, correct? And if, say, your preset has bushy eyebrows - that's what you get. Bushy eyebrows. You can't switch them out for thinner brows, right? And it is my understanding that you cannot bring up a menu of different preset noses, eyes, or brows and select from there, switching one type out for another. Right? Anyway, this is a big disappointment if all of the above is true. I'm not purchasing ME:A day 1. I think I'll wait to get a used copy. I keep seeing a lot of complaints about bugs too. Ian Frazier's twitter is blowing up with tweets from him promising to "add things to the bug list" so that stuff can be "patched post-ship." That's terrible. Not his fault. But just terrible that EA is pushing them to release a broken game at full price. I really think a lot of people should put the brakes on and see what's what with reviews and whatnot before buying. Wait a few months so that all the patches are out and the game is fixed. EA will keep doing this stuff if people keep paying them. sadly, you are correct. the CC is very limited, especially when compared to DAI CC.
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Post by adasirin on Mar 19, 2017 16:03:24 GMT
Thanks for posting this, that's really interesting. I still don't understand BioWare's motivation for changing the face so dramatically, though. I really hope they add it back as an optional preset for those of us who like it. Alternatively, I guess if this face is literally built into the original installation of the game, then a modder could add it back into the patched game quite easily. At least, I hope so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 18:09:52 GMT
Meaning, if your preset's nose has a bump on the bridge then that's what you get. You get a nose with a bump. You can change the width, height, and depth of the entire nose, but that's it. Right? And the same goes for the eyes, correct? Exactly my problem as well. I want to make Asian guy so I have to choose between preset 1 and preset 4. Preset 1 has "lazy eye" and facial shape I don't care about that much, preset 4 has rough skin texture and bushy eyebrowns. There isn't lot of room to modify the faces. This is so disappointing. Yeah, I had a specific idea in mind for a male Ryder that I wanted to play right off the bat. It's not possible with this CC. Not even close. And trust me, I wasn't thinking of anything too "out there." I just had a specific guy's face in mind and some (longer but not too long) red hair. Between the face preset nonsense and the male hairstyles all being short and gender locked .......very upsetting.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 19, 2017 18:26:10 GMT
So, I've been watching videos of players who have EA early access. The CC for Andromeda looks terrible. It is my understanding that if you do not want to play the default Ryder, you must choose between one of 9-ish preset heads. Once you choose a head, you cannot choose a different nose type, eyebrow type, or eye type. Meaning, if your preset's nose has a bump on the bridge then that's what you get. You get a nose with a bump. You can change the width, height, and depth of the entire nose, but that's it. Right? And the same goes for the eyes, correct? And if, say, your preset has bushy eyebrows - that's what you get. Bushy eyebrows. You can't switch them out for thinner brows, right? And it is my understanding that you cannot bring up a menu of different preset noses, eyes, or brows and select from there, switching one type out for another. Right? Anyway, this is a big disappointment if all of the above is true. I'm not purchasing ME:A day 1. I think I'll wait to get a used copy. I keep seeing a lot of complaints about bugs too. Ian Frazier's twitter is blowing up with tweets from him promising to "add things to the bug list" so that stuff can be "patched post-ship." That's terrible. Not his fault. But just terrible that EA is pushing them to release a broken game at full price. I really think a lot of people should put the brakes on and see what's what with reviews and whatnot before buying. Wait a few months so that all the patches are out and the game is fixed. EA will keep doing this stuff if people keep paying them. I agree with everything in your post, except the part in which you seem to think this is EA's doing. BioWare has had 5 years to develop this game. The game has already been delayed at least once, from Holiday 2016 to March 2017. At some point, EA must get a return on investment. The game must be deemed "finished" and put on sale. It's definitely wise for customers to carefully weigh just how big a role they are willing to allow post-release patches to play in completing their full-price games. It's getting out of hand, in some cases. This is all on BioWare, though, not EA. BioWare went down too many developmental dead-ends, fell behind, and (maybe) failed to adequately finish the game within a 5 year timeframe. That's definitely not EA's fault.
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Post by Solas on Mar 19, 2017 19:05:23 GMT
lotta people complaining they feel that they can't make conventionally pretty/handsome characters in the CC - and I feel you, that's lame, I wish that the CC let you. the crux and root of the issue though is that you can't do like, anything at all... in CC. I like my characters to veer away from conventionally attractive (just different strokes for different folks is all), and while I know a game CC will never be able to recreate exactly the image you have of your character in your head (or drew, whatever), my problem is that I can't create anything even remotely close to it. "it" specifically aside, I can't create anything properly personalized or that I can look at and think "that's mine". I was able to do so with my Inquisitor, without mods. the CC is super limited and just plain out lacking in basic features on a fundamental level. how is it that I can't even do something so basic and simple as give my character a distinctive long nose? the only thing I can create is one of Ryder's 10537 twins, and that blows.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 19, 2017 19:08:36 GMT
lotta people complaining they feel that they can't make conventionally pretty/handsome characters in the CC - and I feel you, that's lame, I wish that the CC let you. the crux and root of the issue though is that you can't do like, anything at all... in CC. I like my characters to veer away from conventionally attractive (just different strokes for different folks is all), and while I know a game CC will never be able to recreate exactly the image you have of your character in your head (or drew, whatever), my problem is that I can't create anything even remotely close to it. "it" specifically aside, I can't create anything properly personalized or that I can look at and think "that's mine". I was able to do so with my Inquisitor, without mods. the CC is super limited and just plain out lacking in basic features on a fundamental level. how is it that I can't even do something so basic and simple as give my character a distinctive long nose? the only thing I can create is one of Ryder's 10537 twins, and that blows. I just want a selection of beards that i could hide a pyjack in!
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Post by sosolaris on Mar 19, 2017 19:09:53 GMT
I'll be tweaking every female preset once the full game launches, since I won't have to worry about a time limit. I'm especially keen on preset 7, since she has great facial structure, it's just that the default makeup and hairstyle aren't doing her any favors. She actually reminded me of Maya Brooks a tiny bit, and Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones from Doctor Who).
A lighter lip color would make her look more youthful, and a pulled back hairstyle and the winged eyeliner would really emphasize her facial structure... hmmm.
Yes, this CC is much too limited, and I would have preferred at the very least to be able to select individual features, but goddamn if I'm not going to make it work (#werk? ... sorry).
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Post by Sahl on Mar 19, 2017 19:46:32 GMT
The CC is so limited that they might as well have removed it and just presented us with a few "locked" presets. That would have been better. Its a sad development, but its one that will stay. It has more to do with the console marked, than actually spending time on it. I don't want to take the huge debate atm. (I've done so in countless games for countless years now)
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Post by GordianKnot on Mar 19, 2017 20:13:02 GMT
I did my Access trial last night. The CC is about what I'd expect from a game in ... 2006? IIRC even Oblivion let me customize my eyebrows too. I also ran into the bug of having an African/black father, even though I double-checked that I used a white preset (this isn't being racist; I'd simply expect my dad to look like me). There's a disparity between the lighting in the CC and in the game. I chose what looked like a "slightly tan" skin-tone in the CC; in the game, Ryder looks like someone who lives on a beach (or just spends too much time in tanning beds). All the blonde options for Scott make him look like a Backstreet Boy. On one hand, it's not a huge deal, I usually don't spend that much time customizing my protagonist, as long as she looks somewhat like me (mostly hair color/eye color/high cheekbones) and I have a hair-style that I like (no bobs, no bobs, no bobs). On the other hand, I'd expect something much better from an AAA game in 2017 that's been 5 years in the making.
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Post by President of Boom on Mar 19, 2017 20:22:31 GMT
lotta people complaining they feel that they can't make conventionally pretty/handsome characters in the CC - and I feel you, that's lame, I wish that the CC let you. the crux and root of the issue though is that you can't do like, anything at all... in CC. I like my characters to veer away from conventionally attractive (just different strokes for different folks is all), and while I know a game CC will never be able to recreate exactly the image you have of your character in your head (or drew, whatever), my problem is that I can't create anything even remotely close to it. "it" specifically aside, I can't create anything properly personalized or that I can look at and think "that's mine". I was able to do so with my Inquisitor, without mods. the CC is super limited and just plain out lacking in basic features on a fundamental level. how is it that I can't even do something so basic and simple as give my character a distinctive long nose? the only thing I can create is one of Ryder's 10537 twins, and that blows. One good thing that will probably come out of this situation: People will watch DA4's CC development like hawks, and as a result we'll probably end up with a CC that's even better than what we had in DAI .
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Post by PhantomJLK on Mar 19, 2017 20:24:42 GMT
I am new to this thread but does anyone know what DAI had a better character creator and better facial animations? Apologies if this has been discussed already but the thread is nigh on 70 pages long. In the DA:I character creator you could change the type of eyes, nose, ears, mouth, eye-brows, skin complexion, as well as change the color of the eye-brows. In the ME:A character creator you can do none of those things, also you can't lighten the skin tone beyond tan so its impossible to make a light skin character ( Irish, Nordic, etc.) Yah thats what really bugs me, something they could do to make the CC so much is better is not make every female custom character not black or caramel cause the of the skin tone slider.
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Post by PhantomJLK on Mar 19, 2017 20:41:14 GMT
I did my Access trial last night. The CC is about what I'd expect from a game in ... 2006? IIRC even Oblivion let me customize my eyebrows too. I also ran into the bug of having an African/black father, even though I double-checked that I used a white preset (this isn't being racist; I'd simply expect my dad to look like me). There's a disparity between the lighting in the CC and in the game. I chose what looked like a "slightly tan" skin-tone in the CC; in the game, Ryder looks like someone who lives on a beach (or just spends too much time in tanning beds). All the blonde options for Scott make him look like a Backstreet Boy. On one hand, it's not a huge deal, I usually don't spend that much time customizing my protagonist, as long as she looks somewhat like me (mostly hair color/eye color/high cheekbones) and I have a hair-style that I like (no bobs, no bobs, no bobs). On the other hand, I'd expect something much better from an AAA game in 2017 that's been 5 years in the making. Going off of your comments about skin tone, all of the skin tones including the lightest one 0.05, I believe it is make you look like a caramel color, there is not just "Nordic"/"Caucasian" skin tone, which is a bit weird.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 21:03:32 GMT
lotta people complaining they feel that they can't make conventionally pretty/handsome characters in the CC - and I feel you, that's lame, I wish that the CC let you. the crux and root of the issue though is that you can't do like, anything at all... in CC. I like my characters to veer away from conventionally attractive (just different strokes for different folks is all), and while I know a game CC will never be able to recreate exactly the image you have of your character in your head (or drew, whatever), my problem is that I can't create anything even remotely close to it. "it" specifically aside, I can't create anything properly personalized or that I can look at and think "that's mine". I was able to do so with my Inquisitor, without mods. the CC is super limited and just plain out lacking in basic features on a fundamental level. how is it that I can't even do something so basic and simple as give my character a distinctive long nose? the only thing I can create is one of Ryder's 10537 twins, and that blows. Agreed, friend Solas . The CC is so limited it hurts my heart. I wish I could make someone resembling me, but that's not possible, at all. Were you going for something like this?
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Post by Solas on Mar 19, 2017 21:16:00 GMT
lotta people complaining they feel that they can't make conventionally pretty/handsome characters in the CC - and I feel you, that's lame, I wish that the CC let you. the crux and root of the issue though is that you can't do like, anything at all... in CC. I like my characters to veer away from conventionally attractive (just different strokes for different folks is all), and while I know a game CC will never be able to recreate exactly the image you have of your character in your head (or drew, whatever), my problem is that I can't create anything even remotely close to it. "it" specifically aside, I can't create anything properly personalized or that I can look at and think "that's mine". I was able to do so with my Inquisitor, without mods. the CC is super limited and just plain out lacking in basic features on a fundamental level. how is it that I can't even do something so basic and simple as give my character a distinctive long nose? the only thing I can create is one of Ryder's 10537 twins, and that blows. Agreed, friend Solas . The CC is so limited it hurts my heart. I wish I could make someone resembling me, but that's not possible, at all. Were you going for something like this? the fact that I can't get SisRyder to look like this using the CC is a fucking OUTRAGE [banging pots and pans]
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Post by Deana on Mar 19, 2017 21:31:15 GMT
Agreed, friend Solas . The CC is so limited it hurts my heart. I wish I could make someone resembling me, but that's not possible, at all. Were you going for something like this? *snip* the fact that I can't get SisRyder to look like this using the CC is a fucking OUTRAGE [banging pots and pans] *joins in with a kazoo*
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 0:17:41 GMT
One good thing that will probably come out of this situation: People will watch DA4's CC development like hawks, and as a result we'll probably end up with a CC that's even better than what we had in DAI . Who knows when DA4 will happen. This was the response I got when I asked recently:
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 20, 2017 0:56:42 GMT
So you can't change feature shapes and once again it seems like black women won't be able to have black hairstyles since the hair is gender gated for some reason. I guess mixed characters are off the table unless you can change feature shapes and they just didn't show it. This is very disappointing It just seems to be a coincidence that BioWare have issues of black women with their natural hair. Now I'm starting to wonder why Manveer Heir is breaking balls.....
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 1:00:33 GMT
So you can't change feature shapes and once again it seems like black women won't be able to have black hairstyles since the hair is gender gated for some reason. I guess mixed characters are off the table unless you can change feature shapes and they just didn't show it. This is very disappointing It just seems to be a coincidence that BioWare have issues of black women with their natural hair. Now I'm starting to wonder why Manveer Heir is breaking balls..... He left Bioware, in any case.
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Post by tomcatn7 on Mar 20, 2017 1:02:30 GMT
If game gets character creation patch more options definitely needed .Be good idea have mirror in tempest to edit features without having to restart game. Just a idea
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Post by PhantomJLK on Mar 20, 2017 2:00:59 GMT
If game gets character creation patch more options definitely needed .Be good idea have mirror in tempest to edit features without having to restart game. Just a idea Yeah, I remember there was a tweet by a member of the bioware team, that said there wasn't gonna be a way to edit your character after the CC. When I read that I got super disappointing.
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by SKAR on Mar 20, 2017 2:35:07 GMT
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