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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 7, 2017 1:11:06 GMT
They could do something like the Dragon Age Keep and let the players import what they want to have happened. Bioware is in a fortunate position in this regard because they can control whoever or whatever comes from the Milky Way to Andromeda, making it a lot easier to respect choices than if we were in the Milky Way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 1:50:41 GMT
Regardless, some people did select it. If Bioware is going to create a canon ending, there is nothing stopping them from making that ending refuse or even any other ending not offered at all to the public. People are not only trying to force Bioware into making one ending canon... they won't be happy unless Bioware makes they're personally preferred ending canon. Whatever Bioware does, whatever canon they might make up now or select, they WILL piss off a huge portion of their fanbase. This is true. But nevertheless does not make it any less accurate that Bioware is running away from their endings. They were problematic beyond simply being unpopular. Where did I state that there weren't other problems with the endings?... and what if Bioware is, in part, "running away from their endings?" It doesn't make it any less accurate that they don't want to step on the toes of the people who selected any of the various endings by declaring one of them canon or by writing an "off-the-wall" new ending to become canon. I'm still at a loss as to what you possibly hope to gain by persisting with this insistence that Bioware "deal with" their endings. Writing a new one now won't solve anything BECAUSE there are also just too many people out there who have adopted one or all of the old endings as an ending to their own personal playthroughs of this game. However, please, carry on. I'm just totally pessimistic that you'll ever succeed in your quest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 1:54:17 GMT
They could do something like the Dragon Age Keep and let the players import what they want to have happened. Bioware is in a fortunate position in this regard because they can control whoever or whatever comes from the Milky Way to Andromeda, making it a lot easier to respect choices than if we were in the Milky Way. Yes, they could... but only if the events in Andromeda weren't in any way contingent on any of the choices the player dumps into the keep. So then, it begs the question, what would really be the point? - Since the player would not experience anything "meaningful" in Andromeda with respect to those choices. The keep would just be taking up a number of tags that could instead be used to keep track of decisions relevant to deepening the new story in Andromeda. |
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Post by armass81 on Jan 7, 2017 2:11:14 GMT
Theres not gonna be a connection after that rgb mess, you have to respect the players choices after all.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 7, 2017 2:18:09 GMT
This is true. But nevertheless does not make it any less accurate that Bioware is running away from their endings. They were problematic beyond simply being unpopular. Where did I state that there weren't other problems with the endings?... and what if Bioware is, in part, "running away from their endings?" It doesn't make it any less accurate that they don't want to step on the toes of the people who selected any of the various endings by declaring one of them canon or by writing an "off-the-wall" new ending to become canon. I'm still at a loss as to what you possibly hope to gain by persisting with this insistence that Bioware "deal with" their endings. Writing a new one now won't solve anything BECAUSE there are also just too many people out there who have adopted one or all of the old endings as an ending to their own personal playthroughs of this game. However, please, carry on. I'm just totally pessimistic that you'll ever succeed in your quest. You didn't. Believe it or not I was actually somewhat agreeing with you. The problems with the endings go beyond the backlash. Whether you loved them or hated them, they rendered the Milky Way unusable as a setting. And while yes in my fondest dreams Bioware would retcon them out of existence, at this point I'd just like to see them admit they frakked up. And not in a weaselly "Player choice is SOOOOOO important to us" |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 7, 2017 2:20:38 GMT
what i mean is this franchise needs to leave the past behind and evolve and change so it can have a fresh start oh yeah and Bioware should have murdered Shepard in a way where it was clear so they could move on Shepard becoming Space Jesus wasn't enough? I hope not too much for then it would not be Mass Effect. If element zero is not native to Andromeda and has to be produced by some other means. Maybe via organic means; maybe it is harvested there from bodies of corpses and would as such become known as Corpse Effect.....NO. Also I don't get the analogy Iakus if it is an analogy.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 2:31:48 GMT
Where did I state that there weren't other problems with the endings?... and what if Bioware is, in part, "running away from their endings?" It doesn't make it any less accurate that they don't want to step on the toes of the people who selected any of the various endings by declaring one of them canon or by writing an "off-the-wall" new ending to become canon. I'm still at a loss as to what you possibly hope to gain by persisting with this insistence that Bioware "deal with" their endings. Writing a new one now won't solve anything BECAUSE there are also just too many people out there who have adopted one or all of the old endings as an ending to their own personal playthroughs of this game. However, please, carry on. I'm just totally pessimistic that you'll ever succeed in your quest. You didn't. Believe it or not I was actually somewhat agreeing with you. The problems with the endings go beyond the backlash. Whether you loved them or hated them, they rendered the Milky Way unusable as a setting. And while yes in my fondest dreams Bioware would retcon them out of existence, at this point I'd just like to see them admit they frakked up. And not in a weaselly "Player choice is SOOOOOO important to us" ... and what would you gain if they did that? Nothing, right? |
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Post by Iakus on Jan 7, 2017 3:31:12 GMT
You didn't. Believe it or not I was actually somewhat agreeing with you. The problems with the endings go beyond the backlash. Whether you loved them or hated them, they rendered the Milky Way unusable as a setting. And while yes in my fondest dreams Bioware would retcon them out of existence, at this point I'd just like to see them admit they frakked up. And not in a weaselly "Player choice is SOOOOOO important to us" ... and what would you gain if they did that? Nothing, right? Hope. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 7, 2017 3:54:51 GMT
ys, Liara could be alive and appear in Andromeda, but there is no need to going back to milky way or revisit that galaxy, Liara culd just travel to Andromeda and forget the milky way (this sounds so sad...) She could but I'd find that pointless. Assuming she remains the Shadow Broker, after 600 years she must be so knee-deep in info that it wouldn't make sense to toss it out in favor of new territory. Unless she wanted to be an archaeologist again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 3:58:04 GMT
ys, Liara could be alive and appear in Andromeda, but there is no need to going back to milky way or revisit that galaxy, Liara culd just travel to Andromeda and forget the milky way (this sounds so sad...) She could but I'd find that pointless. Assuming she remains the Shadow Broker, after 600 years she must be so knee-deep in info that it wouldn't make sense to toss it out in favor of new territory. Unless she wanted to be an archaeologist again. Please no! No more Liara! Ever again! Besides, if they do that, they will be canonizing some of the player's choices, which they said previously they wouldn't do. After all, she can be killed in ME3, rather explicitly. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 7, 2017 4:01:20 GMT
They already said that some minor characters from the trilogy might appear. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
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Minor characters (NPCs most likely) are annoyances and aren't worth remembering. The major ones are with Shep. Those are the ones I'm thinking of.
Intellectually, I'd be interested in how / explanation they found themselves with the Initiative. ... them being the "rejects" of the main story arc. Even why the Initiative accepted them. Was the Initiative so pressed for volunteers?
Given that they "laughed the blue off of" Aethyta's ass for suggesting building new mass relays, I'd say they might very well have been pressed. After all, new colonies were still being created in the Milky Way. That's frontier enough without totally cutting oneself off. There'd have to be serious incentive to go. The Reapers could be one such incentive. And willingness enough might not cut it. Qualifications presumably are factors. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 7, 2017 4:10:57 GMT
What does it matter? The Milky Way Galaxy is just a 'husk' of the galaxy it was. So many planets burned and charred either way. Let the Andromeda colonist return; there is nothing for them here anyway. what i mean is this franchise needs to leave the past behind and evolve and change so it can have a fresh start oh yeah and Bioware should have murdered Shepard in a way where it was clear so they could move on My Shepard always survives. So... |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 7, 2017 4:13:05 GMT
I bet that one of the roles of the Nexus is that it would be the Mass Relay that connects Andromeda to a sibling Mass Relay in the Milky Way. That could be why we build part of the Nexus in the Milky Way so it can link to its sibling before departing. I admit it would be nice if that were the case. But it's pretty clear from the ME trilogy that no one has a frakking clue how to build relays and can't even be bothered to do the research. Protheans figured it out. They built a mini relay right on the Citadel. We actually don't know what they figured out. We only know that they haven't built other relays. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 7, 2017 4:21:06 GMT
They could do something like the Dragon Age Keep and let the players import what they want to have happened. Bioware is in a fortunate position in this regard because they can control whoever or whatever comes from the Milky Way to Andromeda, making it a lot easier to respect choices than if we were in the Milky Way. True. Based on the universe choices you select, characters may or may not survive. Like if Grunt died or his pod was never opened we still get Dagg. Similar things could happen to either have a character or a replacement depending on events of MET. I'm not talking anything major but maybe some brief communication or, in the event that a trade route is established, a tiny glimpse of the MW "today". |
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