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Post by Rivercurse on Dec 9, 2016 1:14:29 GMT
This stuff about the Nexus uprising, and the section that the OP has put in his spoiler tags.. Is this stuff all known to be true, deduced, or guesswork? I really feel like i'm missing something right now.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 9, 2016 1:17:12 GMT
This stuff about the Nexus uprising, and the section that the OP has put in his spoiler tags.. Is this stuff all known to be true, deduced, or guesswork? I really feel like i'm missing something right now. The section that I put in spoiler tags is true, it was a part of the gameplay video/ trailer they showed last week. As far as the rest I think it is just guesswork at this point in time. The book is not out yet and I have not seen too much press on it but the book is called Nexus: Uprising, so its likely we will not be getting a plot revolving around tea time with Director Garson.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 1:18:04 GMT
This stuff about the Nexus uprising, and the section that the OP has put in his spoiler tags.. Is this stuff all known to be true, deduced, or guesswork? I really feel like i'm missing something right now. "Nexus Uprising" is the name of the ME novel to be released on March 28. Sloane Kelley appears in both the gameplay trailer and the Ai website orientation video #2.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Dec 9, 2016 1:23:20 GMT
I was very gobsmacked to learn about Sloanne Kelly's little subplot in the latest promos and not in a good way.
I like the idea of having people go with the initiative to become deserters or have wishes of monarchy or whatever floats their boats, but the security chief? come on... That's too banal.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 1:25:33 GMT
About the "people's freedom", the second briefing does mention "waiting for a short time on the Nexus" until immigration assign people a new homeworld and the place is secured. I get the feeling that "short time" ended up not being that short and people got pissed and caused an uprising which ended with them losing and getting kicked out. This especially seems likely given that... story spoilers followArk Hyperion experiences issues, falling out of contact, and seemingly loses its way. The Asari Ark likewise may be lost, if hints prove the worst to be true. This could create a high-pressure situation, with an unsteady Security Chief. (Again, great hire, Jien!)
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 1:26:49 GMT
I was very gobsmacked to learn about Sloanne Kelly's little subplot in the latest promos and not in a good way. I like the idea of having people go with the initiative to become deserters or have wishes of monarchy or whatever floats their boats, but the security chief? come on... That's too banal. I definitely would've eliminated that application at stage zero.
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Post by Arcian on Dec 9, 2016 1:26:54 GMT
I was very gobsmacked to learn about Sloanne Kelly's little subplot in the latest promos and not in a good way. I like the idea of having people go with the initiative to become deserters or have wishes of monarchy or whatever floats their boats, but the security chief? come on... That's too banal. That's BanalWare for ya.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 9, 2016 1:27:18 GMT
I was very gobsmacked to learn about Sloanne Kelly's little subplot in the latest promos and not in a good way. I like the idea of having people go with the initiative to become deserters or have wishes of monarchy or whatever floats their boats, but the security chief? come on... That's too banal. I think its an interesting plot point, tid bit, that even someone that high up in the chain of command might be pissed off enough to do something about it. And it probably carries a lot more weight/ puts a face to something rather then 'mook 857-3 has decided to go off and form a colony somewhere'.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 9, 2016 1:28:24 GMT
About the "people's freedom", the second briefing does mention "waiting for a short time on the Nexus" until immigration assign people a new homeworld and the place is secured. I get the feeling that "short time" ended up not being that short and people got pissed and caused an uprising which ended with them losing and getting kicked out. This especially seems likely given that... story spoilers followArk Hyperion experiences issues, falling out of contact, and seemingly loses its way. The Asari Ark likewise may be lost, if hints prove the worst to be true. This could create a high-pressure situation, with an unsteady Security Chief. (Again, great hire, Jien!) What evidence do we have for the Asari arc may be lost?
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 1:33:46 GMT
This especially seems likely given that... story spoilers followArk Hyperion experiences issues, falling out of contact, and seemingly loses its way. The Asari Ark likewise may be lost, if hints prove the worst to be true. This could create a high-pressure situation, with an unsteady Security Chief. (Again, great hire, Jien!) What evidence do we have for the Asari arc may be lost? We're going to have a chain of spoiler blocks, soon. I'd have to dig for the references, now; but there are references to Asari escape pods that seemed to suggest that their Ark itself might've been lost.
It's entirely possible that this was taken way out of context. That's why I said, "If the worst proves true". It could just be a significant asari vessel that crashes. There may be some discussion of this is the PeeBee thread, but I'm not sure.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 9, 2016 1:37:51 GMT
What evidence do we have for the Asari arc may be lost? We're going to have a chain of spoiler blocks, soon. I'd have to dig for the references, now; but there are references to Asari escape pods that seemed to suggest that their Ark itself might've been lost.
It's entirely possible that this was taken way out of context. That's why I said, "If the worst proves true". It could just be a significant asari vessel that crashes.
There may be some discussion of this is the PeeBee thread, but I'm not sure. Ah thank you. Personally, I doubt the escape pods are from the ark. I doubt BioWare would nix the Asari entirely, or even draw them down to a hand full, given their popularity. I might cackle in glee if that were to happen to them but most fans love the Asari.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 9, 2016 1:40:03 GMT
Why spend billions of dollars to go into space when at the time people really didn't know if it was gonna be anything more the symbolic. Why travel to the bottom of the ocean and go so deep that it can destroy anything due to the insanely high PSI. People do stuff just to push the limits all the time. But I get your idea and in truth my whole thought about it was this was put together because people thought the reapers might win and decided to make sure humanity and other species didn't die out
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 1:41:38 GMT
We're going to have a chain of spoiler blocks, soon. I'd have to dig for the references, now; but there are references to Asari escape pods that seemed to suggest that their Ark itself might've been lost.
It's entirely possible that this was taken way out of context. That's why I said, "If the worst proves true". It could just be a significant asari vessel that crashes.
There may be some discussion of this is the PeeBee thread, but I'm not sure. Ah thank you. Personally, I doubt the escape pods are from the ark. I doubt BioWare would nix the Asari entirely, or even draw them down to a hand full, given their popularity. I might cackle in glee if that were to happen to them but most fans love the Asari. Another spoiler block... I don't think it would mean "near extinction" for them anymore than Ark Hyperion going down will mean that for humanity. It will be trouble, but we will overcome it.
I agree, though, that there are lots of other possible sources for those escape pods beyond their Ark.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 9, 2016 2:44:26 GMT
This especially seems likely given that... story spoilers followArk Hyperion experiences issues, falling out of contact, and seemingly loses its way. The Asari Ark likewise may be lost, if hints prove the worst to be true. This could create a high-pressure situation, with an unsteady Security Chief. (Again, great hire, Jien!) What evidence do we have for the Asari arc may be lost? The theory comes form something said (well written) during GameInformer coverage. I'm not sure why it is in spoiler block, GI didn't really hide that through the course of the game we discover what happens to the other arks and GI mention a mission to find Asari pods related to that. but GI could have misunderstood something, it wouldn't be the first time. In fact, GI says that the Hyperion destination is a planet, while the official briefing video about the Arks and the Nexus says that everyone hang out on the Nexus until immigration assign you a planet and the arks are supposed to get plugged to the Nexus. There is a contradiction here already. On another subject, I'm going to laugh if the person who hired Sloane Kelly was Alec Ryder.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 3:33:09 GMT
What evidence do we have for the Asari arc may be lost? The theory comes form something said (well written) during GameInformer coverage. I'm not sure why it is in spoiler block, GI didn't really hide that through the course of the game we discover what happens to the other arks and GI mention a mission to find Asari pods related to that. but GI could have misunderstood something, it wouldn't be the first time. In fact, GI says that the Hyperion destination is a planet, while the official briefing video about the Arks and the Nexus says that everyone hang out on the Nexus until immigration assign you a planet and the arks are supposed to get plugged to the Nexus. There is a contradiction here already. On another subject, I'm going to laugh if the person who hired Sloane Kelly was Alec Ryder. Agreed about the potential for misinterpretation concerning that bit of speculation. That's why I phrased it the way I did. It's in spoiler blocks because of the site's spoiler agreement, and where magazine content falls within that agreement. I don't necessarily believe there is any contradiction between the site of Hyperion's misfortunes, as described by GI, and the plan laid out in the Ai orientation video. That video presented the plan. Clearly, something went badly awry. We don't know how much, if any, of the plan Ark Hyperion was able to execute. I don't think BioWare would have their chosen channel for marketing hype badly botch an article. Intentional misinformation is one thing, but so badly skewing things is another. I think they told us the facts, just not all of the facts. Their account also matches the account of CD Action nearly exactly, which seems to lend it credence.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 9, 2016 6:59:08 GMT
What evidence do we have for the Asari arc may be lost? The theory comes form something said (well written) during GameInformer coverage. I'm not sure why it is in spoiler block, GI didn't really hide that through the course of the game we discover what happens to the other arks and GI mention a mission to find Asari pods related to that. but GI could have misunderstood something, it wouldn't be the first time. In fact, GI says that the Hyperion destination is a planet, while the official briefing video about the Arks and the Nexus says that everyone hang out on the Nexus until immigration assign you a planet and the arks are supposed to get plugged to the Nexus. There is a contradiction here already. Not necessary. This planet is probably their rendezvous point, where Nexus was supposed to wait them. Next time they should probably ask their future security chief if they ever dreamed of becoming a crime queen.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 9, 2016 8:01:36 GMT
It's an interesting idea, one tick against it is that Ryder has autodialogue about 'only seeing the trail of bodies' they left behind. Now that either means that Ryder doesn't know about the sketchiness (in which case, what was the rallying cry for the uprising?) or does and just doesn't care/agrees with the necessity. If it's meant to be a relatively big deal like the mages/templar polarizing thing I don't think it would've been auto-dialogue though.
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 9, 2016 8:03:23 GMT
On another subject, I'm going to laugh if the person who hired Sloane Kelly was Alec Ryder. ; Next time they should probably ask their future security chief if they ever dreamed of becoming a crime queen. Aren't we jumping to conclusions here? Kelly may have had very good reason to rebel - e.g. she discovered that the AI was corrupt and/or screwing over its people. I don't think we can conclude that she was a poor choice for security chief or that she has become a crime queen. Remember, the record we heard came from the AI itself so they might be making her sound worse than she is. Plus Kelly would have no reason to trust Ryder if Ryder is still a pathfinder with the AI.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 9, 2016 8:17:23 GMT
Next time they should probably ask their future security chief if they ever dreamed of becoming a crime queen. Aren't we jumping to conclusions here? Kelly may have had very good reason to rebel - e.g. she discovered that the AI was corrupt and/or screwing over its people. I don't think we can conclude that she was a poor choice for security chief or that she has become a crime queen. Remember, the record we heard came from the AI itself so they might be making her sound worse than she is. Plus Kelly would have no reason to trust Ryder if Ryder is still a pathfinder with the AI. I think the scene with her was pretty explanatory, she didn't exactly strike me as Robin Hood/George Washington kind of person. Being a crime queen is not something bad in ME universe though, as long as you keep "bad" bandits under control and work with "good" bandits.
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Post by javeart on Dec 9, 2016 9:12:36 GMT
Aren't we jumping to conclusions here? Kelly may have had very good reason to rebel - e.g. she discovered that the AI was corrupt and/or screwing over its people. I don't think we can conclude that she was a poor choice for security chief or that she has become a crime queen. Remember, the record we heard came from the AI itself so they might be making her sound worse than she is. Plus Kelly would have no reason to trust Ryder if Ryder is still a pathfinder with the AI. I think the scene with her was pretty explanatory, she didn't exactly strike me as Robin Hood/George Washington kind of person. Being a crime queen is not something bad in ME universe though, as long as you keep "bad" bandits under control and work with "good" bandits. Me too. They might be misleading us deliberately, but she couldn't look more like a crime queen, I mean, she even got herself a throne, what kind of person does that, not even Aria. It screems power hungry to me (and lack of subtlety)
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Post by helios969 on Dec 9, 2016 10:21:05 GMT
I thought about starting a similar thread but with a differing thought as to why the Helius cluster is lacking in resources. We know the sensor data is roughly 2.5 million years in the past. I'm thinking all these Remnant structures we see on pretty much every world has to do with terraforming technology. Initially I thought it pretty odd you'd see these hyper-advanced structures situated in some fairly hostile environments until I started thinking along those lines. Maybe 2.5 MY ago they were "golden worlds" but then the Remnant left or died out or whatever...and the technology sustaining these worlds as habitable fell into disrepair and the worlds returned to barren landscapes. It may be our primary role to reclaim this tech and turn it back on.
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 9, 2016 10:31:35 GMT
I think the scene with her was pretty explanatory, she didn't exactly strike me as Robin Hood/George Washington kind of person. Being a crime queen is not something bad in ME universe though, as long as you keep "bad" bandits under control and work with "good" bandits. Me too. They might be misleading us deliberately, but she couldn't look more like a crime queen, I mean, she even got herself a throne, what kind of person does that, not even Aria. It screems power hungry to me (and lack of subtlety) I'm not saying either of you are wrong, I just don't think you can draw any solid conclusions based on 30 seconds of a clip. If she sees herself as being on the right side of a war with the AI then how do you expect her to receive and treat one of their pathfinders? Make her comfortable with a refreshing beverage? Kelly's record is 'nearly spotless' with a few run-ins with officers. It's a massive fall from grace to go from that (and a security chief to boot) to a crime queen, particularly in what appears to be a short time frame. I just get the feeling there's much more to it than what we've seen. But by all means, jump to conclusions if you want! BTW, Aria had an entire couch overlooking Afterlife. Kelly is sitting on a pretty plain bench/chair in an empty room.
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 9, 2016 10:33:35 GMT
I thought about starting a similar thread but with a differing thought as to why the Helius cluster is lacking in resources. We know the sensor data is roughly 2.5 million years in the past. I'm thinking all these Remnant structures we see on pretty much every world has to do with terraforming technology. Initially I thought it pretty odd you'd see these hyper-advanced structures situated in some fairly hostile environments until I started thinking along those lines. Maybe 2.5 MY ago they were "golden worlds" but then the Remnant left or died out or whatever...and the technology sustaining these worlds as habitable fell into disrepair and the worlds returned to barren landscapes. It may be our primary role to reclaim this tech and turn it back on. That's a really good point. The resources might have been rich at one point, but then been seriously depleted by the Remnant and/or the Khet.
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Post by javeart on Dec 9, 2016 10:52:47 GMT
Me too. They might be misleading us deliberately, but she couldn't look more like a crime queen, I mean, she even got herself a throne, what kind of person does that, not even Aria. It screems power hungry to me (and lack of subtlety) I'm not saying either of you are wrong, I just don't think you can draw any solid conclusions based on 30 seconds of a clip. If she sees herself as being on the right side of a war with the AI then how do you expect her to receive and treat one of their pathfinders? Make her comfortable with a refreshing beverage? Kelly's record is 'nearly spotless' with a few run-ins with officers. It's a massive fall from grace to go from that (and a security chief to boot) to a crime queen, particularly in what appears to be a short time frame. I just get the feeling there's much more to it than what we've seen. But by all means, jump to conclusions if you want! BTW, Aria had an entire couch overlooking Afterlife. Kelly is sitting on a pretty plain bench/chair in an empty room. It's not about the size of the chair she sits on, obvioulsy, it's the disposition of said chair in the room as well as that of other objects (which are scarce, because the room seems to be almost empty except for her chair, s you said, and that's very telling) and people (a guard by her side) in it. And of course it's speculation, I'm not saying things can't turn out to be very different to what they look like (that's why I said they might be misleading us deliberately), and we all can have very different opinions of what it looks like. But to me, it clearly looks like she's turned into a crime queen, that's what that scene makes me think. Also, personally I think circumstances are extreme enough to justify radical changes in a character, if well done, I'd not consider that poor writing or anything necessarily. Having a record with a few run-ins with officers, in any case, could set the bases for such change. As with anything else, we'll see edit: thinking about Arya v Sloane and their representation (not really trying hard to prove my point, it's just that I find very interesting this kind of thing), the fact that Arya sits on a sofa while Sloane sits on an armchair, allows Shepard (or any other possible guest) to sit beside her when talking to her, while you have to stand in front of Sloane, and look at her from a slightly lower position, down-up, an arrangement that has always been used to remark the difference of power between one person and another. Arya staying in a reserved area overlooking the club it's more the usual representation of the club's owner, and it's more about controlling what's going on than about displaying your power, I 'd say
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 9, 2016 11:15:26 GMT
I'm not saying either of you are wrong, I just don't think you can draw any solid conclusions based on 30 seconds of a clip. If she sees herself as being on the right side of a war with the AI then how do you expect her to receive and treat one of their pathfinders? Make her comfortable with a refreshing beverage? Kelly's record is 'nearly spotless' with a few run-ins with officers. It's a massive fall from grace to go from that (and a security chief to boot) to a crime queen, particularly in what appears to be a short time frame. I just get the feeling there's much more to it than what we've seen. But by all means, jump to conclusions if you want! BTW, Aria had an entire couch overlooking Afterlife. Kelly is sitting on a pretty plain bench/chair in an empty room. It's not about the size of the chair she sits on, obvioulsy, it's the disposition of said chair in the room as well as that of other objects (which are scarce, because the room seems to be almost empty except for her chair, and that's very telling) and people (a guard by her side) in it. And of course it's speculation, I'm not saying things can't turn out to be very different as what they look like (that's why I said they might be misleading us deliberately), and we all can have very different opinions of what it looks like. But to me, it clearly looks like she's turned into a crime queen, that's what that scene makes me think. Also, personally I think circumstances are extreme enough as to justify radical changes in a character, if well done, I'd not consider that poor writing or anything necessarily. Having a record with a few run-ins with officers, in any case, could set the bases for such change. As with anything else, we'll see I saw it a bit differently. I mean, before Ryder arrives it's almost an empty room but for her, a chair and one guard. The only person she could really be trying to send a message to in that situation is Ryder. There simply isn't an audience. Whereas Aria could sit on her 'throne' in full view of her minions, Kelly is sitting in the dark with one guard. The label 'crime queen' doesn't sit well with me either. She threatens Ryder and is accused of holding someone called Vehn Terev, and that's all we know about anything criminal. She's certainly styled herself as some kind of underground leader, which is about as much as I think you can draw from this. But hey, I guess we'll find out.
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