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Post by Ahriman on Dec 9, 2016 11:25:56 GMT
Me too. They might be misleading us deliberately, but she couldn't look more like a crime queen, I mean, she even got herself a throne, what kind of person does that, not even Aria. It screems power hungry to me (and lack of subtlety) Kelly's record is 'nearly spotless' with a few run-ins with officers. It's a massive fall from grace to go from that (and a security chief to boot) to a crime queen, particularly in what appears to be a short time frame. I just get the feeling there's much more to it than what we've seen. Nearly spotless record when there was entire Alliance machine over her, such temper can lead to all kinds of things in Wild Space. There clearly wasn't anything dangerous or dramatic on Nexus for her personality to change that much, since mercs mention it being safe and fed. Any hints on rebellious behavior may turn into a big problem under such circumstances. Don't tell me what to do! You don't run my life! Maybe she had a good reason for all that.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 9, 2016 11:27:37 GMT
Any form of deception and broken promises would make me very happy. I like the idea of conflict among the colonists about how this new society should function. It's realistic that some would seek total freedom from restrictions and leave the Nexus, those old power structures of the Milky Way council races might feel outdated. Problem is, the underdog races weren't invited to the party in the first place. The Ai looks very much like the galaxy's country club. Would have been really cool to support the batarians and even krogan, and fight for a more equal treatment. A fresh start without prejudice.
As long as the writing doesn't sink to Walking Dead level of stupid juvenile rebel community leaders. Kind of got that vibe from the girl we saw in the gameplay trailer. I hope there will be a real moral dilemma between these factions that all have valid arguments. I don't want to fight scumbag rebels the whole game. I want to help create an environment that most find agreeable. OR build a functional alternative society to the Nexus.
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Post by javeart on Dec 9, 2016 11:28:35 GMT
It's not about the size of the chair she sits on, obvioulsy, it's the disposition of said chair in the room as well as that of other objects (which are scarce, because the room seems to be almost empty except for her chair, and that's very telling) and people (a guard by her side) in it. And of course it's speculation, I'm not saying things can't turn out to be very different as what they look like (that's why I said they might be misleading us deliberately), and we all can have very different opinions of what it looks like. But to me, it clearly looks like she's turned into a crime queen, that's what that scene makes me think. Also, personally I think circumstances are extreme enough as to justify radical changes in a character, if well done, I'd not consider that poor writing or anything necessarily. Having a record with a few run-ins with officers, in any case, could set the bases for such change. As with anything else, we'll see I saw it a bit differently. I mean, before Ryder arrives it's almost an empty room but for her, a chair and one guard. The only person she could really be trying to send a message to in that situation is Ryder. There simply isn't an audience. Whereas Aria could sit on her 'throne' in full view of her minions, Kelly is sitting in the dark with one guard. The label 'crime queen' doesn't sit well with me either. She threatens Ryder and is accused of holding someone called Vehn Terev, and that's all we know about anything criminal. She's certainly styled herself as some kind of underground leader, which is about as much as I think you can draw from this. But hey, I guess we'll find out. She has less minions, I can agree on that. Also, what I said in the edit on the other post (I'm sorry, I write very slowly in english ). In any case, yes, we'll find out
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 9, 2016 11:46:18 GMT
I saw it a bit differently. I mean, before Ryder arrives it's almost an empty room but for her, a chair and one guard. The only person she could really be trying to send a message to in that situation is Ryder. There simply isn't an audience. Whereas Aria could sit on her 'throne' in full view of her minions, Kelly is sitting in the dark with one guard. The label 'crime queen' doesn't sit well with me either. She threatens Ryder and is accused of holding someone called Vehn Terev, and that's all we know about anything criminal. She's certainly styled herself as some kind of underground leader, which is about as much as I think you can draw from this. But hey, I guess we'll find out. She has less minions, I can agree on that. Also, what I said in the edit on the other post (I'm sorry, I write very slowly in english ). In any case, yes, we'll find out Haha all good! Your edit makes sense and I agree that she is trying to show Ryder who's boss. I just got the impression that it was a bit staged for Ryder's benefit. I can imagine Aria sitting on her couch all evening but I don't see Kelly doing the same in her empty room. Maybe I'm reading too much into it tho!
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Post by javeart on Dec 9, 2016 11:55:05 GMT
Any form of deception and broken promises would make me very happy. I like the idea of conflict among the colonists about how this new society should function. It's realistic that some would seek total freedom from restrictions and leave the Nexus, those old power structures of the Milky Way council races might feel outdated. Problem is, the underdog races weren't invited to the party in the first place. The Ai looks very much like the galaxy's country club. Would have been really cool to support the batarians and even krogan, and fight for a more equal treatment. A fresh start without prejudice. As long as the writing doesn't sink to Walking Dead level of stupid juvenile rebel community leaders. Kind of got that vibe from the girl we saw in the gameplay trailer. I hope there will be a real moral dilemma between these factions that all have valid arguments. I don't want to fight scumbag rebels the whole game. I want to help create an environment that most find agreeable. OR build a functional alternative society to the Nexus. It's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens in Andromeda int this regard, because it could very well bring a lot of changes from how things work in the MW, it should in fact. Humanity seems to have more power, to begin with, and while one could assume that most people would keep the core values of their respective political cultures, I agree that it would be realistic if there were a lot of malcontents in the AI. The lack of presence of the less powerful races, it's a shame in some sense, yes, but on the other hand should lead to the more the powerfull ones to turn against each other nd that should be fun. Going a little further, personally, I'd love it if a new cleavage, not species-related, would come to the front. I think it would be great if there was a little of this, and it wasn't all about exploration and MW species vs Andromeda species, and the fact there's already a "Nexus uprising" surely must mean that we'll see something along these lines in this and/or future games
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 9, 2016 12:20:30 GMT
It's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens in Andromeda int this regard, because it could very well bring a lot of changes from how things work in the MW, it should in fact. Humanity seems to have more power, to begin with, and while one could assume that most people would keep the core values of their respective political cultures, I agree that it would be realistic if there were a lot of malcontents in the AI. The lack of presence of the less powerful races, it's a shame in some sense, yes, but on the other hand should lead to the more the powerfull ones to turn against each other nd that should be fun. Going a little further, personally, I'd love it if a new cleavage, not species-related, would come to the front. I think it would be great if there was a little of this, and it wasn't all about exploration and MW species vs Andromeda species, and the fact there's already a "Nexus uprising" surely must mean that we'll see something along these lines in this and/or future games Sounds like it could be both: internal power struggles and dealing with Andromeda's top dog races. The Asari are used to running the show. They controlled the Milky Way, probably in far less benevolent ways than they like everyone to believe. It would be interesting to see this comfortable position threatened. However, the Andromeda races might actually be less advanced, it was hinted at I believe? In that case the only advantage the Andromeda races could have is strength in numbers. In fact, they will. And it's a big advantage. Should have cured the genophage earlier and brought a krogan ark to deal with the local thugs. I still mourn how ME3's ending has robbed us of seeing the Milky Way change and evolve, witnessing the rise of previously outcast races like the Quarians and the Krogan perhaps. Even the vorcha. There would have been boundless possibilities for cool stories set either in the direct aftermath of the reaper war or thousands of years in the future. But MAYBE, just maybe we'll get something similar after all. Just on a smaller scale among the Ai explorers and in dealing with the Andromeda races. It certainly sounds like it could be a good story after all.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 9, 2016 12:55:01 GMT
snip I don't necessarily believe there is any contradiction between the site of Hyperion's misfortunes, as described by GI, and the plan laid out in the Ai orientation video. That video presented the plan. Clearly, something went badly awry. We don't know how much, if any, of the plan Ark Hyperion was able to execute. I don't think BioWare would have their chosen channel for marketing hype badly botch an article. Intentional misinformation is one thing, but so badly skewing things is another. I think they told us the facts, just not all of the facts. Their account also matches the account of CD Action nearly exactly, which seems to lend it credence. Like I said, GI has made mistake in interpretation before in their game coverage and I don't remember them being ever corrected by developers. Do you have the CD Action link? I didn't have the impression that anyone but GI got to see the game at Bioware. And I'm not saying that the Hyperion doesn't arrive at the planet, I'm saying the magazine affirming the Hyperion arrive there because that is the planet humanity will settle contradict the Arks&Nexus video briefing where colonists are supposed to wait in the Nexus until the homeworld are secured by the pathfinder and they get assigned a place to live. It's quite possible the planet was the rendez-vous point. Thinking about it, if that planet was the rendez-vous point and the Nexus had to move because of its state, that could explain some of the colonists being annoyed. 600 years sleep and on arrival you are told "Sorry, you got to wait a bit more to see the rest of your family in the Hyperion".
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 15:54:20 GMT
snip I don't necessarily believe there is any contradiction between the site of Hyperion's misfortunes, as described by GI, and the plan laid out in the Ai orientation video. That video presented the plan. Clearly, something went badly awry. We don't know how much, if any, of the plan Ark Hyperion was able to execute. I don't think BioWare would have their chosen channel for marketing hype badly botch an article. Intentional misinformation is one thing, but so badly skewing things is another. I think they told us the facts, just not all of the facts. Their account also matches the account of CD Action nearly exactly, which seems to lend it credence. Like I said, GI has made mistake in interpretation before in their game coverage and I don't remember them being ever corrected by developers. Do you have the CD Action link? I didn't have the impression that anyone but GI got to see the game at Bioware. And I'm not saying that the Hyperion doesn't arrive at the planet, I'm saying the magazine affirming the Hyperion arrive there because that is the planet humanity will settle contradict the Arks&Nexus video briefing where colonists are supposed to wait in the Nexus until the homeworld are secured by the pathfinder and they get assigned a place to live. It's quite possible the planet was the rendez-vous point. Thinking about it, if that planet was the rendez-vous point and the Nexus had to move because of its state, that could explain some of the colonists being annoyed. 600 years sleep and on arrival you are told "Sorry, you got to wait a bit more to see the rest of your family in the Hyperion". This isn't what the GI said. They said the planet is called Habitat 7. That's it. People deduced from there, based upon the name of the planet and the purpose of the mission. Misunderstandings begin like this all of the time. Sometimes, people slightly misquote devs, and then get upset when things aren't quite as the devs "promised". (I know you're not upset, in this case.) I can't speak to the accuracy of the GI article, since I don't work for BioWare. I'll have to wait to play like everyone else. I've seen nothing, though, to make me doubt it. It is overflowing with direct quotes and descriptions from Fabrice Condominas, Mike Gamble, Mac Walters, etc... I don't own a physical copy of CD Action. I briefly found a copy. Translating it to English proved laborious, but it duplicated much of GI's info, and supplemented it in other, small ways. They, too, had seemingly played the game. They may have shared a bit more than they were supposed to share. You can review a very rough translation attempt in this forum. Be warned that some poorly translated parts were misinterpreted, initially, before being straightened out via comparison to known facts.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 20:10:59 GMT
I'm going to drop this here, because I think it adds some context to Sloane Kelley. This is one of the VA audition scripts that was provided to the public during the open casting-call. Now that we are fully "in the know", a few things are clear.
The Capital = The Nexus
Sanders = Sloane Kelly
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Scene Two: Two mercenaries talk about some of the difficulties of living on the frontier and being pioneers in a new world. You are playing the role of the Tough Mercenary.
Tough Mercenary: I got a great deal on the gear we salvaged from the crash. Here’s your share.
Worried Mercenary: You said we’d split the take evenly!
Tough Mercenary: It’s even. Do the math
Worried Mercenary: I’ve got a family. You don’t. This isn’t fair. We agreed—
Tough Mercenary: To split the profits 50/50. How you feed your family is your problem
Worried Mercenary: I just keep thinking, what if I hadn’t left the Capital? Maybe I wouldn’t have to worry about where my kids’ next meals are coming from.
Tough Mercenary: We’re doing better than some
Worried Mercenary: But I worry that one day I’ll cross Sanders and find my kids murdered.
Tough Mercenary: Sanders doesn’t kill kids. And you don’t know that wouldn’t have happened in the Capital.
Worried Mercenary: There were laws back there. Out here, it’s thugs running the place
Tough Mercenary: A thug wearing the uniform is still a thug. Sanders was head of security back in the Capital, and look what she’s become.
Tough Mercenary: Trust me. Things like rule of law, like decency? Out the window when things go bad.
Worried Mercenary: So you wouldn’t go back? If you got the chance?
Tough Mercenary: Hell, no. It’s not the best here, but I get to decide my life. It’s what we wanted, right? A new start?
It sounds to me like "Sanders", aka Sloane, has become quite the fearsome criminal boss. It also sounds like those who rose up did so because they didn't appreciate the way things were being run on the Nexus. It sounds as if security got a bit hands-on, before the uprising.
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Post by peebee on Dec 9, 2016 21:38:54 GMT
snip It sounds to me like "Sanders", aka Sloane, has become quite the fearsome criminal boss. It also sounds like those who rose up did so because they didn't appreciate the way things were being run on the Nexus. It sounds as if security got a bit hands-on, before the uprising. So tough security chief rampages and leaves the Nexus? I say it like that because of one of Sara's lines on the Gameplay Trailer: "All I see is the trail of bodies they left behind". Did she make a group or something and went killing people in there? They'd be the ones with easier access to weapons after all. But Drack also comments that they've been "kicked off the station", so I'm not sure if she rebelled because she was lied to or wanted to impose her opinion in how things were handled and was fired or something. She even changed her haircut lol. I wonder how long it took from arriving in Andromeda to having a base in a planet. This "not knowing where we're going/doing" thing reminds of the beginning of ME1, where they don't tell he crew what they're doing until the last minute.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 21:52:09 GMT
snip It sounds to me like "Sanders", aka Sloane, has become quite the fearsome criminal boss. It also sounds like those who rose up did so because they didn't appreciate the way things were being run on the Nexus. It sounds as if security got a bit hands-on, before the uprising. So tough security chief rampages and leaves the Nexus? I say it like that because of one of Sara's lines on the Gameplay Trailer: "All I see is the trail of bodies they left behind". Did she make a group or something and went killing people in there? They'd be the ones with easier access to weapons after all. But Drack also comments that they've been "kicked off the station", so I'm not sure if she rebelled because she was lied to or wanted to impose her opinion in how things were handled and was fired or something. She even changed her haircut lol. I wonder how long it took from arriving in Andromeda to having a base in a planet. This "not knowing where we're going/doing" thing reminds of the beginning of ME1, where they don't tell he crew what they're doing until the last minute. I'd say it's more likely that tension boiled over and violence ensued, with the "undesirables" being expelled from the Nexus, once subdued. I think a lot of this stuff happens while Ark Hyperion is still sleeping. We don't know all of the details, but things go badly off plan. That's probably part of the reason for the tensions, and most of the reason Ryder wouldn't know every detail. That said, Ryder seemed to know Sloane's story pretty well. I got the impression that she was looking for any edge or angle that might be helpful in the coming interaction, and SAM provided Sloane's Alliance service record.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 9, 2016 21:55:41 GMT
Yeah, I suspect that BioWare is going to have Hyperion arrive late to the party, maybe even by a couple of years so that there can be some development of all these various settlements.
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Post by ssanyesz on Dec 10, 2016 11:09:21 GMT
It's not about the size of the chair she sits on, obvioulsy, it's the disposition of said chair in the room as well as that of other objects (which are scarce, because the room seems to be almost empty except for her chair, and that's very telling) and people (a guard by her side) in it. And of course it's speculation, I'm not saying things can't turn out to be very different as what they look like (that's why I said they might be misleading us deliberately), and we all can have very different opinions of what it looks like. But to me, it clearly looks like she's turned into a crime queen, that's what that scene makes me think. Also, personally I think circumstances are extreme enough as to justify radical changes in a character, if well done, I'd not consider that poor writing or anything necessarily. Having a record with a few run-ins with officers, in any case, could set the bases for such change. As with anything else, we'll see I saw it a bit differently. I mean, before Ryder arrives it's almost an empty room but for her, a chair and one guard. The only person she could really be trying to send a message to in that situation is Ryder. There simply isn't an audience. Whereas Aria could sit on her 'throne' in full view of her minions, Kelly is sitting in the dark with one guard. The label 'crime queen' doesn't sit well with me either. She threatens Ryder and is accused of holding someone called Vehn Terev, and that's all we know about anything criminal. She's certainly styled herself as some kind of underground leader, which is about as much as I think you can draw from this. But hey, I guess we'll find out. She or her role kind of reminds me of Anton Rogue from The Technomancer, has similar dark room theme, goons. Maybe she seems a little too arrogant, but don't know how much power does she have or how charismatic is she, because she defienety convinced some people to support her and got herself a whole colony, so maybe she is not a stupid child like we see her in the video, maybe she built herself a little cult while was on Nexus, at least she was at a rather high position of power so ppl was looking up to her and she could/did easily exploit/persuade them.
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 10, 2016 11:40:56 GMT
I saw it a bit differently. I mean, before Ryder arrives it's almost an empty room but for her, a chair and one guard. The only person she could really be trying to send a message to in that situation is Ryder. There simply isn't an audience. Whereas Aria could sit on her 'throne' in full view of her minions, Kelly is sitting in the dark with one guard. The label 'crime queen' doesn't sit well with me either. She threatens Ryder and is accused of holding someone called Vehn Terev, and that's all we know about anything criminal. She's certainly styled herself as some kind of underground leader, which is about as much as I think you can draw from this. But hey, I guess we'll find out. She or her role kind of reminds me of Anton Rogue from The Technomancer, has similar dark room theme, goons. Maybe she seems a little too arrogant, but don't know how much power does she have or how charismatic is she, because she defienety convinced some people to support her and got herself a whole colony, so maybe she is not a stupid child like we see her in the video, maybe she built herself a little cult while was on Nexus, at least she was at a rather high position of power so ppl was looking up to her and she could/did easily exploit/persuade them. Haven't played it yet, unfortunately! She clearly developed some influence within the AI personnel, particularly since it's not just humans following her. Whether there's any sort of righteousness about her, or whether she's just a bad egg, is hard to work out from the little we've seen.
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Post by ssanyesz on Dec 10, 2016 13:45:26 GMT
She or her role kind of reminds me of Anton Rogue from The Technomancer, has similar dark room theme, goons. Maybe she seems a little too arrogant, but don't know how much power does she have or how charismatic is she, because she defienety convinced some people to support her and got herself a whole colony, so maybe she is not a stupid child like we see her in the video, maybe she built herself a little cult while was on Nexus, at least she was at a rather high position of power so ppl was looking up to her and she could/did easily exploit/persuade them. Haven't played it yet, unfortunately! She clearly developed some influence within the AI personnel, particularly since it's not just humans following her. Whether there's any sort of righteousness about her, or whether she's just a bad egg, is hard to work out from the little we've seen. Who knows, maybe we/Ryder can support her faction. If there is a system for it. I liked how the factions were in The Technomancer and in Alpha Protocol, it would good to see something like that in here too.
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Post by maxon on Dec 10, 2016 17:34:31 GMT
So much so that: Sloane Kelly the security chief for the Andromeda Intiative on the Nexus apparently resigned to start her own multi species colony...or at the very least left the Nexus. The Security chief! Who looks as though she is aged about 15 which is another thing I'm having trouble believing. Maybe that's a lie too.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 10, 2016 19:33:14 GMT
She or her role kind of reminds me of Anton Rogue from The Technomancer, has similar dark room theme, goons. Maybe she seems a little too arrogant, but don't know how much power does she have or how charismatic is she, because she defienety convinced some people to support her and got herself a whole colony, so maybe she is not a stupid child like we see her in the video, maybe she built herself a little cult while was on Nexus, at least she was at a rather high position of power so ppl was looking up to her and she could/did easily exploit/persuade them. Haven't played it yet, unfortunately! She clearly developed some influence within the AI personnel, particularly since it's not just humans following her. Whether there's any sort of righteousness about her, or whether she's just a bad egg, is hard to work out from the little we've seen. That conversation was chopped to bits, and deteriorated only because the player was belligerent. (Gotta demo the interrupt feature!) I suspect that we will be able to develop a much more amicable relationship with Sloane Kelley. I've even wondered whether she is the "non-crew, on some planet somewhere" romance interest that Mac has repeatedly mentioned as his favorite.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 10, 2016 21:28:05 GMT
So much so that: Sloane Kelly the security chief for the Andromeda Intiative on the Nexus apparently resigned to start her own multi species colony...or at the very least left the Nexus. The Security chief! Who looks as though she is aged about 15 which is another thing I'm having trouble believing. Maybe that's a lie too. I always have trouble juding age and found the judging of age by looks to be often very inaccurate. Depending on the person. Anyways though as far as it goes I suspect a lot of the AI will be younger people because the draw of exploration would be probably more attractive to the young and the restless, by and large, then the old and experienced.
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Post by maxon on Dec 11, 2016 13:59:05 GMT
Who looks as though she is aged about 15 which is another thing I'm having trouble believing. Maybe that's a lie too. I always have trouble juding age and found the judging of age by looks to be often very inaccurate. Depending on the person. Anyways though as far as it goes I suspect a lot of the AI will be younger people because the draw of exploration would be probably more attractive to the young and the restless, by and large, then the old and experienced. Someone who was chief of security is not going to be *that* young. Someone with perfectly smooth elastic skin - it's not that hard to spot someone who is young. Sorry - just don't buy it. I mean does the head of the project - that Jan whateverhernameis - look that young? Or Ryder Dad? You know, the people in charge, like the head of security? Oh wait. I did wonder whether there might be some silly sub-plot about an exlixir of youth or something but I don't think Bioware are that daft.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 11, 2016 14:45:15 GMT
I always have trouble juding age and found the judging of age by looks to be often very inaccurate. Depending on the person. Anyways though as far as it goes I suspect a lot of the AI will be younger people because the draw of exploration would be probably more attractive to the young and the restless, by and large, then the old and experienced. Someone who was chief of security is not going to be *that* young. Someone with perfectly smooth elastic skin - it's not that hard to spot someone who is young. Sorry - just don't buy it. I mean does the head of the project - that Jan whateverhernameis - look that young? Or Ryder Dad? You know, the people in charge, like the head of security? Oh wait. I did wonder whether there might be some silly sub-plot about an exlixir of youth or something but I don't think Bioware are that daft. Alec Ryder was part of the team that went through the Charon relay in 2149 (with Jon Grissom). He doesn't have much wrinkles for a guy that should be 60+. Smooth plastic skin was an issue in DAI too. Saying that, smooth elastic skin isn't an indicative of a person age in real life, it means that the cells telomeres aren't getting too short. I've seen Japanese in their 60s that looks like they are in their early 30s and it's all about the food they eat and genetics.
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Post by maxon on Dec 11, 2016 16:24:45 GMT
Alec Ryder was part of the team that went through the Charon relay in 2149 (with Jon Grissom). He doesn't have much wrinkles for a guy that should be 60+. Smooth plastic skin was an issue in DAI too. Saying that, smooth elastic skin isn't an indicative of a person age in real life, it means that the cells telomeres aren't getting too short. I've seen Japanese in their 60s that looks like they are in their early 30s and it's all about the food they eat and genetics. You can all handwave as much as you like - she has a teenager's face - plump cheeks, baby-ish skin tone, clear skin, no lines (at all), no sculpting of the features etc. etc. I, personally, don't find it even slightly convincing but that's my personal view. I don't think it would stop me enjoying the game - though I have to say I pretty much stopped watching American TV shows for the same sort of reason. YMMV and I accept that.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 11, 2016 18:40:31 GMT
I always have trouble juding age and found the judging of age by looks to be often very inaccurate. Depending on the person. Anyways though as far as it goes I suspect a lot of the AI will be younger people because the draw of exploration would be probably more attractive to the young and the restless, by and large, then the old and experienced. Someone who was chief of security is not going to be *that* young. Someone with perfectly smooth elastic skin - it's not that hard to spot someone who is young. Sorry - just don't buy it. I mean does the head of the project - that Jan whateverhernameis - look that young? Or Ryder Dad? You know, the people in charge, like the head of security? Oh wait. I did wonder whether there might be some silly sub-plot about an exlixir of youth or something but I don't think Bioware are that daft. *sigh* I didn't say she was going to be *that* young. IE teenager young. She could be over fifty and really caking on the makeup for all I know. I merely pointed out that she could be on the young side because younger people, and outcasts will be the two people most likely to join the AI. As far as it goes I imagine she, with Alec being the Pathfinder, is really the only one for the job.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 21:51:40 GMT
maxon, BioWare has arguably been terrible with consistently representing ages in these games. David Anderson? Not quite 50 when the trilogy ended. Steven Hackett? Only 52. They looked older, to my eye; especially given that people supposedly live as long as 150 years in this setting. As colfoley said, it can be difficult to judge people by appearance alone. Lifestyle, nutrition, health and genetics all play major roles. This quote from your post-- " Someone with perfectly smooth elastic skin - it's not that hard to spot someone who is young." This actually describes me very accurately; almost humorously so. I'm in my late 30s. It's very much in my genetics. I also live an exemplarily healthy lifestyle, in most respects. My point is that this is far more subjective in real life than you believe. In this particular VG, I think you're feeling concern over unfinished textures and animation. They won't finish these things until they are positive that the VA work and mo-cap is finalized, otherwise they risk wasting a lot of work. They have not reached this point of certainty, as of yet. The humans look smooth and doughy because they aren't finished. That's it.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 11, 2016 22:18:12 GMT
This quote from your post-- " Someone with perfectly smooth elastic skin - it's not that hard to spot someone who is young." This actually describes me very accurately; almost humorously so. I'm in my late 30s. It's very much in my genetics. I also live an exemplarily healthy lifestyle, in most respects. My point is that this is far more subjective in real life than you believe. Are you saying you have a baby face? But I probably shouldn't be talking. When I cut my hair recently (I had them long since I was 15 and I'm over 30 now) and the first thing my mom told me when she saw me is that looked like my old 12 years old self.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 11, 2016 22:59:10 GMT
This quote from your post-- " Someone with perfectly smooth elastic skin - it's not that hard to spot someone who is young." This actually describes me very accurately; almost humorously so. I'm in my late 30s. It's very much in my genetics. I also live an exemplarily healthy lifestyle, in most respects. My point is that this is far more subjective in real life than you believe. Are you saying you have a baby face? But I probably shouldn't be talking. When I cut my hair recently (I had them long since I was 15 and I'm over 30 now) and the first thing my mom told me when she saw me is that looked like my old 12 years old self. Not exactly, though I used to have a lean baby face, I guess. Spoiler blocked for off-topic irrelevance. I have a genetic condition called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. There are many varieties. My particular variety is called the Hypermobility Type. All types are mutations that cause flawed collagen production. It wrecks my life, to be honest.
The one small perk, if people want to call it that, is that I have silky smooth, unwrinkled skin. We'll see if this holds throughout the decades, or if all of the years catch up all at once, some day.
You'd never know I'm sick by looking at me. I look very healthy on the outside. In the real world (as opposed to VGs), people have all sorts of random variables at work that make them look young or old to the viewer; and, of course, our viewpoint is subjective.
I know that haircut experience well. I try to keep a bit of stubble on my face. I look very young without it. It's like I have elf skin, or something. It feels velvety or powdery to the touch, even. It's unique, and easy to identify for those familiar with the "symptom".
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