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Post by simsimillia on Feb 20, 2017 21:01:47 GMT
Oh I'm a fan but it's not us making the story the professional developers are. The ending being so harsh I thought was great. You're right, it's their story. That's why it's extra disappointing they fucked it up and decided to release it, then patch it up multiple times via DLC and still not address the most fundamental issue because they were stubborn and didn't see that there was an error in it in terms of continuity, narrative 101 (like dramatic structure, 3-act structural plot-design) logical flow of events and thematically relevant reveals. It's much more their response to the ending-reactions that ended up bothering me than the actual content itself. That they couldn't see what was wrong with it or at least give us a reasonable account on their part of the way it turned out or why they won't change it in a way that was more respectful than "We're good friends with industry-press and we got 75 perfect scores, we're proud of what we made but let's not go into that not even when you ask hardball questions at cons". I get it's sensitive for them too but... it stings and there ended up being losers on both ends, both fans and BioWare and the journalists, but apparently it has led to discussions about what's proper internally at BioWare and it also generated certain interesting movements in the press. I personally learned a lot about narrative and writing as a biproduct of being so frustrated about ME3. That, I'm thankful for. It's so bad that other writers from other industries have taken notice of how bad it is and slammed it publically, not to mention at least a hundred thousand passionate fans. If the controversy is that big it's not just becuase people have a stick up their butt about it, it's because there's something the developers didn't make properly. Don't forget that Mass Effect 3 was largely still an enjoyable game. Hell I think it still is, although being weaker than ME2. It does have some flaws here and there but how the Genophage Plot and the Quarian/Geth Conflict is resolved is really satisfying. If the game had been mediocre to junk from start to finish, there wouldn't have been such a big backlash. People were upset, because they were hooked, reached the ending and then it all came down. It's like eating an overall nice piece of cake and then there is an olive in your last bite.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 20, 2017 21:31:08 GMT
Oh, and Cora's butt window. Couldn't believe that design choice and, like so many other choices the developers appear to have made, it leaves me disappointed. It's 2017 FFS. Couldn't understand why they had it in 2012 either.
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Post by amoebae on Feb 20, 2017 21:37:27 GMT
I get that people have different opinions over the ending, but to suggest a person isn't a 'real fan' if they did like it isn't really on.
And anyway, for goodness sake it was years ago.
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Post by oniangel on Feb 20, 2017 21:40:50 GMT
Oh, and Cora's butt window. Couldn't believe that design choice and, like so many other choices the developers appear to have made, it leaves me disappointed. It's 2017 FFS. Dang it. Cant unsee. If I get to customize her armor color I will make that section red. Alternatively I will do her loyalty mission asap and hope the new armor does not have that design element.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 21:41:25 GMT
Oh, and Cora's butt window. Couldn't believe that design choice and, like so many other choices the developers appear to have made, it leaves me disappointed. It's 2017 FFS. Couldn't understand why they had it in 2012 either. Come on, now. People had it back in the 19th Century! See, long johns came with an opening in the back, when the wearer had to go poopoo. It's the same thing here, adjusted for the age of intergalactic travel.
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 20, 2017 22:15:23 GMT
Oh I'm a fan but it's not us making the story the professional developers are. The ending being so harsh I thought was great. I don't think that the endings being "harsh" was the problem.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 21, 2017 9:04:02 GMT
I beg to differ. Naughty Dog makes their games better than their last improving story, gameplay, characters, etc and top it off they show real love for their games and that's why they are one of the top developers. BioWare on the other hand they have wasted so much potential and remain stagnant by using repetitive methods instead of improving their games. I agree with everything you've said here. In spirit, one could say that ND's games could be used as an example for BioWare. It's just in the technical aspects that the comparisons don't work, since the games are so dissimilar. I wholeheartedly agree that BioWare has failed to innovate, or even keep up with the standard in many cases, and it shows. The employee exit-interviews shared by Link"Guess"ski reaffirm the suspicions that many of us long had, or at least present supporting views from unhappy former employees (not always the best source for info.) Those aren't all old news, either. One was from last summer, so the culture doesn't seem to be getting fixed overnight, if at all. That's the whole reason why that people are leaving because of the top brass are making things difficult and it does affect the company and it explains why that the games looked mediocre and poorly done. It seems BioWare are going down the drain after all.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 21, 2017 9:41:13 GMT
I agree with everything you've said here. In spirit, one could say that ND's games could be used as an example for BioWare. It's just in the technical aspects that the comparisons don't work, since the games are so dissimilar. I wholeheartedly agree that BioWare has failed to innovate, or even keep up with the standard in many cases, and it shows. The employee exit-interviews shared by Link"Guess"ski reaffirm the suspicions that many of us long had, or at least present supporting views from unhappy former employees (not always the best source for info.) Those aren't all old news, either. One was from last summer, so the culture doesn't seem to be getting fixed overnight, if at all. That's the whole reason why that people are leaving because of the top brass are making things difficult and it does affect the company and it explains why that the games looked mediocre and poorly done. It seems BioWare are going down the drain after all. If you want to forget that many reviews in the same site are positive, sure. There isn't an overwhelming majority of bad reviews (I think it was a slight majority of the positive ones before, don't know now). In the end we can't really know what is happening there. All we know is that they have in plan two other games, other Andromeda. I think the latter's financial success might be crucial, but they sustained the problems with DA2 and ME3, and DAI, despite the mixed reviews, was a financial success.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 21, 2017 9:47:52 GMT
That's the whole reason why that people are leaving because of the top brass are making things difficult and it does affect the company and it explains why that the games looked mediocre and poorly done. It seems BioWare are going down the drain after all. If you want to forget that many reviews in the same site are positive, sure. There isn't an overwhelming majority of bad reviews (I think it was a slight majority of the positive ones before, don't know now). In the end we can't really know what is happening there. All we know is that they have in plan two other games, other Andromeda. I think the latter's financial success might be crucial, but they sustained the problems with DA2 and ME3, and DAI, despite the mixed reviews, was a financial success. Of course it was a success financially EA are known for milking out cheap games and sell them for a premium price and make all those trailers that has epic combat scenes that will never be in the game.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 21, 2017 9:51:27 GMT
If you want to forget that many reviews in the same site are positive, sure. There isn't an overwhelming majority of bad reviews (I think it was a slight majority of the positive ones before, don't know now). In the end we can't really know what is happening there. All we know is that they have in plan two other games, other Andromeda. I think the latter's financial success might be crucial, but they sustained the problems with DA2 and ME3, and DAI, despite the mixed reviews, was a financial success. Of course it was a success financially EA are known for milking out cheap games and sell them for a premium price and make all those trailers that has epic combat scenes that will never be in the game. Well, they clearly didn't expect that much, since its success lead them to revise their incomes for that quarter. Which combat scenes weren't present from the trailer to the full game? Or are you referring to the PAX demo?
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 21, 2017 10:07:36 GMT
Of course it was a success financially EA are known for milking out cheap games and sell them for a premium price and make all those trailers that has epic combat scenes that will never be in the game. Well, they clearly didn't expect that much, since its success lead them to revise their incomes for that quarter. Which combat scenes weren't present from the trailer to the full game? Or are you referring to the PAX demo? Dragon Age.
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Post by blah23 on Feb 21, 2017 10:19:04 GMT
If you want to forget that many reviews in the same site are positive, sure. There isn't an overwhelming majority of bad reviews (I think it was a slight majority of the positive ones before, don't know now). In the end we can't really know what is happening there. All we know is that they have in plan two other games, other Andromeda. I think the latter's financial success might be crucial, but they sustained the problems with DA2 and ME3, and DAI, despite the mixed reviews, was a financial success. Of course it was a success financially EA are known for milking out cheap games and sell them for a premium price and make all those trailers that has epic combat scenes that will never be in the game. FYI, every videogame publisher does the same thing especially your favorite company Ubisoft.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 21, 2017 10:39:49 GMT
Well, they clearly didn't expect that much, since its success lead them to revise their incomes for that quarter. Which combat scenes weren't present from the trailer to the full game? Or are you referring to the PAX demo? Dragon Age. Yeah, I figured you're talking about that. Still, the trailers of Inquisition didn't show combat scenes not present in the actual gameplay. The pax demo did.
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 21, 2017 11:56:24 GMT
Nah, that's just a tiny segment of people who wanted to kill BioWare staff over ME3 can't stand the fact that fictional characters don't exist just to give them boners.
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Post by amleth on Feb 21, 2017 12:03:09 GMT
Nah, that's just a tiny segment of people who wanted to kill BioWare staff over ME3 can't stand the fact that fictional characters don't exist just to give them boners. Wouldn't you be if you felt that your gender was being shafted, i.e outcry about how tragic female shep options are?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 12:06:31 GMT
I mean I also disliked ME3 ekhem original ending, but that's not really a reason to go like this for all other BW games.. That thread is so toxic. I don't find DAI females ugly, it might be just different engine and they just can't accept it.. Or they just hate LGTQ inclusions and pretent to find an excuse to go ''full on fire''
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 21, 2017 12:07:45 GMT
Nah, that's just a tiny segment of people who wanted to kill BioWare staff over ME3 can't stand the fact that fictional characters don't exist just to give them boners. Wouldn't you be if you felt that your gender was being shafted, i.e outcry about how tragic female shep options are? Both Shepard are long dead at the point While I don't agree since I'm a straight male and I don't feel I'm getting shafted or my options are tragic, I don't think it's wrong to complain or express a negative view if you feel that way or don't like the romance options. Some of the way this point is expressed goes too far or don't make sense though.
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 21, 2017 12:08:49 GMT
Wouldn't you be if you felt that your gender was being shafted, i.e outcry about how tragic female shep options are? I don't take it as a personal insult and "SJWS! BLAH BLAH BLAH!" if characters don't look like complete sex objects. (Also, because gender isn't the only factor, I find Cora and Sara much more attractive than Miranda. And I romanced Sera in my second DA:I playthrough.) Addendum: You know, you talk about "your gender being shafted" and that dripping rag of dudebro tears trying to treat it as an attack on straight male gamers...except Sera wasn't even a romance option for male Inquisitors. Logic!
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 21, 2017 12:09:55 GMT
I mean I also disliked ME3 ekhem original ending, but that's not really a reason to go like this for all other BW games.. That thread is so toxic. I don't find DAI females ugly, it might be just different engine and they just can't accept it.. Or they just hate LGTQ inclusions and pretent to find an excuse to go ''full on fire'' LGTB inclusion had nothing to do with it. It's the physical appearance they criticize (and some people actually say both straight males and lesbians got shafted), combined with the fact that in DAI you and onty one option in the squad (and there are people that don't like advisors/crewmates LI on both genders), while straight women got 4 in the end.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 21, 2017 12:10:52 GMT
Wouldn't you be if you felt that your gender was being shafted, i.e outcry about how tragic female shep options are? I don't take it as a personal insult and "SJWS! BLAH BLAH BLAH!" if characters don't look like complete sex objects. (Also, because gender isn't the only factor, I find Cora and Sara much more attractive than Miranda. And I romanced Sera in my second DA:I playthrough.) As in general (meaning even when her face was normal) or because the uncanny valley reached with some animations and lightning?
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Post by amleth on Feb 21, 2017 12:23:43 GMT
Wouldn't you be if you felt that your gender was being shafted, i.e outcry about how tragic female shep options are? I don't take it as a personal insult and "SJWS! BLAH BLAH BLAH!" if characters don't look like complete sex objects. (Also, because gender isn't the only factor, I find Cora and Sara much more attractive than Miranda. And I romanced Sera in my second DA:I playthrough.) Addendum: You know, you talk about "your gender being shafted" and that dripping rag of dudebro tears trying to treat it as an attack on straight male gamers...except Sera wasn't even a romance option for male Inquisitors. Logic! I was expressing what some people felt, personally I have no problems with Cassandra apart from the fact that her writing was horrible and that her romance, Josephine's too, where both cringeworthy as all fuck. That candlelit poetry scene was dripping narm. Furthermore I don't think that the problem is that modern bioware female characters i.e Sera and Cora are ugly, it's more that they are so badly designed as to breach the uncanny valley, and that is a genuine problem (Scott's design is also problematic for that same reason, albeit to a lesser degree) As to your raging, well I'll just leave this here.
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 21, 2017 12:25:17 GMT
As in general (meaning even when her face was normal) or because the uncanny valley reached with some animations and lightning? In general. Don't really know how to describe it, but Sara and Cora just look more... natural in their appearances and their facial expressions. Not really into the shape of Miranda's face. The "femme fatale" thing doesn't really do anything for me either.
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Post by simsimillia on Feb 21, 2017 12:29:09 GMT
I don't get this "ugly females" whining.
But I also really, didn't like what they did with Ashley between Mass Effect 1/2 and 3.
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 21, 2017 12:35:40 GMT
I was expressing what some people felt, personally I have no problems with Cassandra apart from the fact that her writing was horrible and that her romance, Josephine's too, where both cringeworthy as all fuck. That candlelit poetry scene was dripping narm. Furthermore I don't think that the problem is that modern bioware female characters i.e Sera and Cora are ugly, it's more that they are so badly designed as to breach the uncanny valley, and that is a genuine problem (Scott's design is also problematic for that same reason, albeit to a lesser degree) As to your raging, well I'll just leave this here. I loved Josephine's romance for the narminess. I absolutely loved the concluding scene of her romance arc. And I think Josephine is a very attractive female character without needing to be completely flawless in appearance. I also enjoyed Cassandra's romance, and liked the "storybook romantic" side of her. Sera got hit with the ugly stick a few dozen times. Still romanced her on my second playthrough. And I think Cora looks attractive. I'm hoping that she's a romance option for female Ryders (...), but seeing the number of people who scream "LESBIAN!" at her hairstyle despite her being confirmed as a romance option for male Ryders really tells me what the "uncanny valley" problem is really about. But really...on one hand, you have people who are screaming about "SJWs!" and whining because they don't find the female characters attractive (that is, the female characters they acknowledge because Josephine's existence invalidates their argument). On the other hand, you have me who's mocking the attitudes of the other side and pointing out their hypocrisy. And you genuinely think I'm the one who's "triggered"?I'm "triggered" into mocking laughter, that's all I'm "triggered" about.
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