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Post by simsimillia on Feb 24, 2017 4:33:19 GMT
The best part of saying something like this is that you have absolutely nothing to actually indicate that's the case, and literally the only reason you want to think this is the case is so you can whine about it. I could say the same about you. It looks like you this to be why Link said what he did, so you can chastise him for it. Explain why you believe that Bioware would not showcase the game in the best light they possibly could for marketing materials like this. Let's take a look at some things we already know: - Nvidia provided Bioware with a bunch of high-end cards (can't remember if they were 1080s or Titans) late last year. This was likely part of a deal that lead to there being an Andromeda presentation at Nvidia's CES keynote, but it's also not really relevant for this discussion. - The video is recorded in-engine, and is rendered at 1080p60. Maintaining a stable 60fps during action sequences with a fair amount of particle effects, while recording 1080p at a high bitrate, is not something that can be easily done on lower-end systems. It's not impossible, and there are ways that Bioware could get around this (such as using an HDMI capture device connected to a second system), but they are needlessly complicated and not reflective of the typical use-case for PC players recording gameplay. - Dragon Age Inquisition, Bioware's last full release, was horribly optimized on PC when it launched. Some PC users here on this very forum were unable to play the game at all until after patches had rolled out. Additionally, from what I remember, it had some issues similar to those described in the press event with audio cutting out, dialogue/plot triggers not being recognized by the game, frequent crashing, etc. There are reasons to assume that Bioware records these videos on high-end hardware, although likely not "incomprehensibly expensive" as was initially claimed; and there is reason to fear that the game will not be optimized particularly well for PC when it launches. Yeah, Dragon Age: Inquisition still has some performance issues here and there on PC. (especially the Wartable is for some reason kinda laggy). But then again it isn't as big of a mess as the first Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 were very smooth performance whise on PC from launch day on, if I remember correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 5:11:47 GMT
Mass Effect 1 was a shitty console port? I didn't know that, tbh. Really puts things into perspective for me, as a non PC gamer. Bioware likes their console market, I guess.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 24, 2017 6:43:08 GMT
Can't find a parking spot for it so I'll just leave it here. Found it while watching AJ's game review.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 6:44:36 GMT
Can't find a parking spot for it so I'll just leave it here. Found it while watching AJ's game review. AJ? Were you watching the For Honor review? And I saw this earlier. I'm not sure I'm 100% sold on her voice acting, but that might be because the audio quality in this video seemed to shift around a lot, for me. She seems nice though, and she also seems like she wants to be there, so here's hoping for a genuine and sincere performance for the new Dr Chocolates.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 24, 2017 6:45:36 GMT
Can't find a parking spot for it so I'll just leave it here. Found it while watching AJ's game review. >British accent I don't know, sounds off for an Asari.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 6:49:29 GMT
It doesn't matter what she sounds like. Asari are really just parasitic tentacled eldritch abominations anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 6:56:17 GMT
- The video is recorded in-engine, and is rendered at 1080p60. Maintaining a stable 60fps during action sequences with a fair amount of particle effects, while recording 1080p at a high bitrate, is not something that can be easily done on lower-end systems. It's not impossible, and there are ways that Bioware could get around this (such as using an HDMI capture device connected to a second system), but they are needlessly complicated and not reflective of the typical use-case for PC players recording gameplay. Not sure if you've used it at all, but Nvidia shadowplay is an absurdly lightweight recording software, since it actually uses the GPU itself to record frames as they are being rendered. The performance hit from using shadowplay is usually less than 5%, so basically if you can play the game at around 60fps, you can record it at 60fps with pretty high bitrates. As for "lower-end systems", realistically a lower end system should not be able to play a game of this graphical fidelity at all. - Dragon Age Inquisition, Bioware's last full release, was horribly optimized on PC when it launched. Was it? I may have a skewed perspective because I purchased a new video card pretty much specifically for inquisition (a GTX 970), but I thought that the game ran fairly well for how it looked. Looking back at the minimum system requirements at the time, I think that bioware certainly set them a bit low, but they pretty much just took the system reqs from BF4 at the time. If you look at the performance for inquisition vs Battlefield 4 at launch, they post nearly identical numbers with the same settings and video card. I won't say that inquisition was the most optimized game ever released, but nor would I describe it as "Horribly optimized". Some PC users here on this very forum were unable to play the game at all until after patches had rolled out. Additionally, from what I remember, it had some issues similar to those described in the press event with audio cutting out, dialogue/plot triggers not being recognized by the game, frequent crashing, etc. If a game actually does not run at all on your system, realistically 1 of 2 things is happening, either your PC doesn't meet the minimum spec, or you are having issues specific to your hardware configuration (such as driver problems, or isolated bugs). While bad optimization can contribute to those two issues, a well optimized game might still run into them regardless. there is reason to fear that the game will not be optimized particularly well for PC when it launches. There is literally always reason to fear that a game might have optimization issues at launch. Even a game that seemed to run well for a press demo could turn out to have been optimized specifically for that demo, and be awful everywhere else. That said, I don't really feel that Bioware has given us any more reason to expect subpar optimization that any other game developer.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2017 9:10:47 GMT
They also noted it was an older build and the game isn't finished yet. And then you look at the calendar and scratch your head they can even say that when the game is supposed to be going through cert as we speak. Microsoft in particular have up to one month of certification, but I guess that's only for new developers maybe? All ME3 DLCs had to be finished a month ahead of release for MS Cert. so chances are, they've made improvements since the Press build and then there's the day-1, and further patches coming. Also, I think they've made those Gameplay series videos using incomprehensible expensive machines. I bet the game will end up having less than decent optimization. There's also a day one patch that will be released, according to shinobi. And we have other people saying that game played smoothly. But I do think performance issue is a reasonable concern. On the topic of previews highlighting flaws and problems, isn't it better if they state the situation isn't perfect instead of praising the game non-stop? There's no game that doesn't have problems, and I think it's better if the articles mention that.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 24, 2017 10:02:27 GMT
According to Gamespot, MEA is a "newer more polished inquisition". Whelp. Well to be fair both Eurogamer and another medium have explicitly said that it is not. So that might still be a win for Bioware. The trend regarding animations is of a much bigger concern to me. They should've hired experts of animation and motion capture but instead they'll use and rehash the same formula from DA:I. All those 5 years of progress wasted.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Feb 24, 2017 13:52:04 GMT
BioWare doesn't learn. That's the problem, they refuse to learn in some aspects, to listen to valid criticism.
Instead, they pretend that everything is fine and dandy, coverup their flaws; game after game. They'd rather pay attention to their fans that are deep in their bubble than try to improve their shit.
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Post by MagiK on Feb 24, 2017 13:54:09 GMT
2. LGBT contingent complained Fem-shep was too cute in previous games we willl that affect things in Andromeda? Yippee for pathetic worms who want to blame gay people because they don't get a boner from a fictional female character. (Also, Sarah Ryder is lesbian-approved cutie here, so [honk] off.) Have not seen a good enough amount to tell, but don't kill the messenger, just comenting on rumors from what was leaked quite a while ago Before ME:A was even on the horizon.
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Post by MagiK on Feb 24, 2017 14:01:42 GMT
2. LGBT contingent complained Fem-shep was too cute in previous games we willl that affect things in Andromeda? I'm calling B.S.on this, unless you can produce a few links. One idiot isn't a "contingent." Just commenting on what I read, from before ME:A was even a thing. Unlike many I dont clip articles and save them for future use years later. I didnt express any facts in my post it was my "FEELINGS" and how I felt about ME as a progression. Personally I have no problems with People being gay, I do have problems when it gets militant and starts affecting me in some way. If IM wrong about the events that happened between ME:2 and ME:3 that affected graphical decisions I will apologize, SO while you ant picking nits with one issue, what about the rest?
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Post by Arcian on Feb 24, 2017 14:03:18 GMT
Can't find a parking spot for it so I'll just leave it here. Found it while watching AJ's game review. >British accent I don't know, sounds off for an Asari. "Just sound like your character from Game of Thrones."
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 24, 2017 15:25:29 GMT
I've really reached a point after sinking in some of the previews where I'm just not really feeling this game I think. I think it's time I just black out for a while, since I know I'm gonna play it on release. I have a feeling that lots of the shots shown in trailers will just look unimpressive because they're shots and when the game is in motion you'll not think as hard about individual faces or scenes because there's a lot in the game. I've definitely seen enough combat to know I'm sold, but it's as if every time there's a new story-related tidbit shown off I get a bad impression of it. Time to check out for a while! Laterz
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2017 15:27:57 GMT
I've really reached a point after sinking in some of the previews where I'm just not really feeling this game I think. I think it's time I just black out for a while, since I know I'm gonna play it on release. I have a feeling that lots of the shots shown in trailers will just look unimpressive because they're shots and when the game is in motion you'll not think as hard about individual faces or scenes because there's a lot in the game. I've definitely seen enough combat to know I'm sold, but it's as if every time there's a new story-related tidbit shown off I get a bad impression of it. Time to check out for a while! Laterz Take care, and hopefully the story on release will pleasantly surprise you
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 15:40:58 GMT
I'm starting to think that those 3-5 extra months would be good to polish it, but waiting another 3-5 months would be such a bi*ch.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 24, 2017 15:44:21 GMT
Yeah, Dragon Age: Inquisition still has some performance issues here and there on PC. (especially the Wartable is for some reason kinda laggy). But then again it isn't as big of a mess as the first Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 were very smooth performance whise on PC from launch day on, if I remember correctly. Hell, DA:O still has some PC issues. With less than 4 GB RAM on a post-XP OS, it has a distressing tendency to forget to do stuff, or do stuff in the wrong order.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 24, 2017 15:50:01 GMT
I'm calling B.S.on this, unless you can produce a few links. One idiot isn't a "contingent." Just commenting on what I read, from before ME:A was even a thing. Unlike many I dont clip articles and save them for future use years later. I didnt express any facts in my post it was my "FEELINGS" and how I felt about ME as a progression. Personally I have no problems with People being gay, I do have problems when it gets militant and starts affecting me in some way. If IM wrong about the events that happened between ME:2 and ME:3 that affected graphical decisions I will apologize, SO while you ant picking nits with one issue, what about the rest? Picking nits? No. Saying that LGBT fans demanded less attractive default female PCs was either an outright lie or delusional, based on my experience. It wasn't a statement of your feelings, which I am utterly uninterested in. It was a statement of what other fans were posting. This is a factual question. As for the other points, yeah, we won't see much in the way of modding. The lack of bug-fix mods will be annoying. MP will almost certainly be a nonissue. Worst-case scenario is that the best gear really is locked away behind MP. Unless Bio's changed their entire combat design philosophy, having the best gear will make the gameplay worse, not better, so this isn't a problem.
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Post by empirex on Feb 24, 2017 19:50:36 GMT
Also, I think they've made those Gameplay series videos using incomprehensible expensive machines. I bet the game will end up having less than decent optimization. The best part of saying something like this is that you have absolutely nothing to actually indicate that's the case, and literally the only reason you want to think this is the case is so you can whine about it. The best part of saying something like this is how you don't seem to get that this a skepticism thread. Bioware doesn't need a some knight to save itself from fans that are critical of what they have seen so far. Get used to it buddy.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 24, 2017 20:29:26 GMT
It doesn't matter what she sounds like. Asari are really just parasitic tentacled eldritch abominations anyway. I can't resist linking this one:
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Post by vonuber on Feb 24, 2017 21:29:01 GMT
Yeah, Dragon Age: Inquisition still has some performance issues here and there on PC. (especially the Wartable is for some reason kinda laggy). But then again it isn't as big of a mess as the first Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 were very smooth performance whise on PC from launch day on, if I remember correctly. Hell, DA:O still has some PC issues. With less than 4 GB RAM on a post-XP OS, it has a distressing tendency to forget to do stuff, or do stuff in the wrong order. If you don't large address aware ME1 it'll crash to buggery and back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 22:24:46 GMT
It doesn't matter what she sounds like. Asari are really just parasitic tentacled eldritch abominations anyway. I can't resist linking this one: 10/10, would still bang.
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Post by simsimillia on Feb 24, 2017 22:49:58 GMT
Hell, DA:O still has some PC issues. With less than 4 GB RAM on a post-XP OS, it has a distressing tendency to forget to do stuff, or do stuff in the wrong order. If you don't large address aware ME1 it'll crash to buggery and back. Yeah, but that's not the only issue. I have some minor, but annoying sound issues and none of the fixes I found online worked for me. The worst however are black and blocky textures in certain areas because I have a newer generation AMD CPU. There is a fix for that (FPS Counter), but when I run ME with that I'm unable to save the game -.- Those are issues I have because I'm running the game on a newer system though, which can always lead to problems. Back then I remember out of sync Audio in Cutscenes, Loading issues with Textures/Meshes, an Elevator that would consistently crash my game if I entered it with weapons drawn and the Benezia fight which is a buggy shitfest (on one playthrough I had to restart that fight four times due to bugs! FOUR TIMES!)
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 25, 2017 4:37:23 GMT
It doesn't matter what she sounds like. Asari are really just parasitic tentacled eldritch abominations anyway. I can't resist linking this one:
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