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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 5, 2017 23:10:28 GMT
To the witcher 3 comments- It was a great game. Yes it was a great game but it had more then a few flaws. The open world was mind blowing but took away from the story in my opinion. The story was well written and the game was fun. But it wasn't the perfect game in everyway. Honestly I think bioware usually does characters better then anyone else including CDPR. So enough with the comments that are essentially "bioware sucks and the witcher 3 is amazing" Throw some constructive criticizm in there at least. Bioware did characters better than CD Projekt Red until DA:I and TW3. The only DA:I character as memorable as the Bloody Baron, the Von Everecs, Gaunter O'Dimm, and the Witches of Crookback Bog was Solas. Even side characters in TW3 were often more memorable than main characters in DA:I. Keira Metz and Shani had better developed romance arcs than LIs like Josephine or Blackwall, and the former were just side characters who at best were passing flings for Geralt. Was there any romance scene in DA:I with the emotional impact of TW3's The Last Wish? I'd argue no. Were there any side characters encountered in DA:I that were as memorable as TW3's trolls, Johnny, or Djikstra? Certainly not. Compare the Wicked Grace scene to the Witchers getting drunk. Both scenes are very similar but while the TW3's version manages to be humorous and endearing, DA:I's was stilted and and cringe-inducing. In DA:I the horrors of the Mage-Templar War, the Orlesian civil war, or the demon invasion are largely missing from the game, the only experience the player has with them (and barely) is after the fact through notes and such scattered on the ground, whereas in the TW3 Geralt experiences it first hand. Even DA:I's bard, which I loved, was outshone by Priscilla in TW3. In short, CD Project Red did almost everything Bioware wanted to do in DA:I better in TW3. I'm no Witcher fanboy and find brand loyalty ridiculous (we're all nothing more than walking wallets to game developers), so that opinion wasn't formed out of any sort of bias. If I were to rank all of the Witcher games against all of the Dragon Age games, the Witcher 1 would easily be my nomination for the worst of the six games, and by a mile. TW3 was just a much better game than DA:I, and Bioware hasn't created a great DA game since DA:O. That all said, I think Bioware has yet to release a disappointing Mass Effect game even with the whole ME3 ending controversy. I'm less concerned about ME:A than I am about DA4. >demon invasion in DAI sad really. There was never really a demon invasion in DAI just small open rifts. Crest wood was literally the best in actually feeling like there was a demon invasion but you quickly close the rift and solve the problem to deal with some other nonsense.
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Post by laudable11 on Jan 5, 2017 23:13:16 GMT
The campaign might fail. Mass Effect was we know has had its ending with ME3. Bioware however decided to cancel ME3 altogether and rewrite the Mass Effect series for some easy cash, thus ME: Andromeda. I hope it is a great game, but I understand its risks. Fortunately I care much more about the Multiplayer than the campaign itself. Yeah. After ME3 I'm mostly focused on the multi-player. Will I like the single player? I want to, but I'm preparing to be let down. As far as this franchise is concerned, speaking for myself, multi-player is where it's at.
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Post by c_cat on Jan 5, 2017 23:14:33 GMT
I have no idea if this game will be a success or not. I can say that as someone who only plays singleplayer games and like Bioware games for RTwP combat and squad tactics so far I haven't heard or seen anything about MEA that has made me more interested in it.
Pausing to aim gone, choosing what abilities squadmates use gone, only three active abilities, nothing about that seems fun to me. Chaotic combat with flashy effects and no real impact is all I have seen.
Making the singleplayer more like multiplayer isn't going to make me interested in playing the multiplayer, nothing could.
Stripping what I liked about the combat in the earlier ME games from MEA only makes me less interested in buying the game.
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Post by pixiqui on Jan 5, 2017 23:15:39 GMT
I highly doubt this game will never fail, commercially that is. Mass effect is one of the most recognized, popular, and loved franchises in gaming. And MEA is one of the most anticipated games of 2017, go on youtube and its on almost everyones list of anticipated games for this year. Despite the ending And despite inquistion, this is a mass effect game it will sell well becasue it will always have many dedicated fans. So commercially, i highly doubt mass effect andromenda will fail, if your asking if it will fail for the longterm fans well we will just have to see in march. I admit i dont like how bioware and EA have been marketing this game at all, however i know we will be getting more info later this month and febuary. All i know is im going to be cautiously optimistic. Also, some of you so called "Fans" seem to want bioware and this game to fail so badly its ridiculous I admit bioware is not as great as they once were and yes somethimes complaining is the only way devlopers will learn from their mistakes but there is a difference from complaining because you want something to get better and complaining because you want something to fail, and im pretty sure your complaining because you want this game to fail along with many other of these so called "Fans" and seriously im so tired of witcher fanboys going on and on about how no other game can touch their precious witcher. I have no doubt that the witcher is a good game and bioware can take some points from it, but jesus some of you guys go on every gaming rpg forum and talk endless about how every game will never be as good as the witcher ive seen a ton of those on the fallout and bethesda forums as well. It really makes me never want to ever play the game despite all the good things ive heard about it. I am pessimistic, but I don't want Bioware to fail. In fact, I would be happy to be wrong, and MEA be the start of a Bioware Renaissance. But if I truly believed that was going to happen, I wouldn't be pessimistic now, would I? Instead what I'm seeing is Bioware moving further and further away from the qualities that made them great in the first place, in favor of "streamlining", of microtransactions, of role-playing and story-telling. I've been a Bioware fan ever since the original Baldur's Gate. man that instruction book was like a mini Player's Handbook for 2nd Edition D&D. Now I wonder how many of the team are gamers at all? It's funny, as shooters start adapting more RPG mechanics, Bioware is taking the opposite tack, making their RPGS more into purely action games. Fewer choices, more streamlined builds, "Rule of Cool" to replace storytelling. I look at the lower-budget indie games and Kickstarters and wonder what happened. Bioware used to make games like this. How much greater could they make games like that with their budget and staff? I look at what was done with games like the Mass Effect Trilogy and want to weep for what's been lost. Look, you can feel however you want there is nothing wrong with being pessimistic, you should never set your hopes too high for any game in my opinion. You seem to have took what i said personally but i wasnt talking to you specifally, I was mostly talking to the op, (who everyone from the old forums knows has some kind of grudge against bioware) and all the other people who claim to be fans but really want bioware to fail. If you dont feel that way then what i said shouldnt bother you. Yes i think that bioware has definitely changed and there is nothing wrong with complaining or giving constructive criticism, its how devs learn what works and what doesnt but im not going to go around on bioware fan forums complaining with bad intent about how horrible this game is going to be and at the same time talking about how amazing so and so other game is and that you want bioware to be like another game company thats all im saying. I too im worried about the direction bioware is going but im going to reserve judgement until andromeda comes out. i agree with with what you said about streamlining and everything, they are definitely moving away from alot of their rpg roots, I could write a essay or maybe a book about how bioware isnt as good as it once was because i have alot to say about that trust me. But im not going to because im going to wait until the game comes out first then talk about how feel about it like i said for now im going to be cautiously optimistic. If im dispointed by andromeda and bioware keeps going in a direction i dont like, i wont buy their games simple as that but the op cant seem to move on so he spends his days complaining and creating threads like this which im sure was also bait.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 5, 2017 23:23:56 GMT
BioWare fanbois - check CDPR fanbois - check Thoughtful posts - requires searching Butthurt - everywhere
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Post by correctamundo on Jan 5, 2017 23:28:33 GMT
To the witcher 3 comments- It was a great game. Yes it was a great game but it had more then a few flaws. The open world was mind blowing but took away from the story in my opinion. The story was well written and the game was fun. But it wasn't the perfect game in everyway. Honestly I think bioware usually does characters better then anyone else including CDPR. So enough with the comments that are essentially "bioware sucks and the witcher 3 is amazing" Throw some constructive criticizm in there at least. Was there any romance scene in DA:I with the emotional impact of TW3's The Last Wish? I would say all of them. I haven't done all romance arcs yet but so far they have all been better than that last wish thing. The last wish scene was meh at the most.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 5, 2017 23:35:55 GMT
To the witcher 3 comments- It was a great game. Yes it was a great game but it had more then a few flaws. The open world was mind blowing but took away from the story in my opinion. The story was well written and the game was fun. But it wasn't the perfect game in everyway. Honestly I think bioware usually does characters better then anyone else including CDPR. So enough with the comments that are essentially "bioware sucks and the witcher 3 is amazing" Throw some constructive criticizm in there at least. Bioware did characters better than CD Projekt Red until DA:I and TW3. The only DA:I character as memorable as the Bloody Baron, the Von Everecs, Gaunter O'Dimm, and the Witches of Crookback Bog was Solas. Even side characters in TW3 were often more memorable than main characters in DA:I. Keira Metz and Shani had better developed romance arcs than LIs like Josephine or Blackwall, and the former were just side characters who at best were passing flings for Geralt. Was there any romance scene in DA:I with the emotional impact of TW3's The Last Wish? I'd argue no. Were there any side characters encountered in DA:I that were as memorable as TW3's trolls, Johnny, or Djikstra? Certainly not. Compare the Wicked Grace scene to the Witchers getting drunk. Both scenes are very similar but while the TW3's version manages to be humorous and endearing, DA:I's was stilted and and cringe-inducing. In DA:I the horrors of the Mage-Templar War, the Orlesian civil war, or the demon invasion are largely missing from the game, the only experience the player has with them (and barely) is after the fact through notes and such scattered on the ground, whereas in the TW3 Geralt experiences it first hand. Even DA:I's bard, which I loved, was outshone by Priscilla in TW3. In short, CD Project Red did almost everything Bioware wanted to do in DA:I better in TW3. I'm no Witcher fanboy and find brand loyalty ridiculous (we're all nothing more than walking wallets to game developers), so that opinion wasn't formed out of any sort of bias. If I were to rank all of the Witcher games against all of the Dragon Age games, the Witcher 1 would easily be my nomination for the worst of the six games, and by a mile. TW3 was just a much better game than DA:I, and Bioware hasn't created a great DA game since DA:O. That all said, I think Bioware has yet to release a disappointing Mass Effect game even with the whole ME3 ending controversy. I'm less concerned about ME:A than I am about DA4. Overall, Great read.
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Post by akots on Jan 5, 2017 23:51:46 GMT
BioWare fanbois - check CDPR fanbois - check Thoughtful posts - requires searching Butthurt - everywhere Trying to take cover from all this bs. And failing because there is NO taking cover in MEA. AT least I have not seen anything in the trailers clearly. I think it goes the way of some action game or Doom-like shooter. I WANT MY COVER!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 6, 2017 0:01:28 GMT
Let's get a few things out there No, MEA will not bomb. Sorry. YES, TW3 is a great game and, lo and fucking behold in a goddamn bleak universe it allowed for A NUMBER of happy endings and some bittersweet ones and a freaking awfully soul crushing one. Did you hear that Bioware? Was that so hard to do...oh wait it would have hurt your art...got it. (snip) Also, Evil Chris if you are reading this you owe me an apology. Funny then that I thought all 3 endings were bad in Witcher 3 because the whole climax and third act in general is a confused mess. The game is god damn amazing but it plummets in its main narrative after the middle act is done. It's like "It's time to beat you once and for all Eredin--oh my god it's Rag Naar Rohg, the white frost is breaking loose and then CirigoessomewhereandescapesintothetowerandhurryYennefer--Avellac'hwhatareyouoweiawbfjkabihtoransraigguayegtuiaebtj
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Ciri beat the white frost, cuz... willpower and stuff, you know.
A: ...and then Ciri became a Witcher. B: ...and then Ciri became the Empress
Alternative: Ciri died and Geralt is sad, the end." Fucking garbage endings and then you get some slideshows telling you what happened to everyone else. The last time Yen appears on screen is before the climax of the story even though it felt like she was really vital to the story. It would've been the same as if Anderson didn't appear after going out of the truck near the end of ME3.
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Post by Vall on Jan 6, 2017 0:01:46 GMT
BioWare fanbois - check CDPR fanbois - check Thoughtful posts - requires searching Butthurt - everywhere Trying to take cover from all this bs. And failing because there is NO taking cover in MEA. AT least I have not seen anything in the trailers clearly. I think it goes the way of some action game or Doom-like shooter. I WANT MY COVER! You can see cover at several points in VGA trailer, even if it's mostly blink and you miss it for example from 3:09 to about 3:11 4:07 (in cover behind new tech cover ability) 4:21 (behind rock while activating cloak)
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jan 6, 2017 0:12:25 GMT
I'm going to go way out on a limb.
I predict that the game will not be bad enough to make my eyes melt and then ooze down my face.
I also predict that the game will not be good enough to be a revelation and explain all that was unclear about my life.
In fact, I predict the game will provide me with several belly laughs, a lot of wry chuckles, and hours of entertainment, as well as a few moments that make my soul let out an uninhibited woo... And a few that prompt a headshake and annoyed confusion. Because that's what Bioware games have done in the past. I will probably enjoy it more than most other games because it's Mass Effect and I loved the trilogy very huggy much.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 6, 2017 0:14:47 GMT
BioWare fanbois - check CDPR fanbois - check Thoughtful posts - requires searching Butthurt - everywhere It's quite nostalgic isn't it, feels like old times
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 6, 2017 0:18:56 GMT
Let's get a few things out there No, MEA will not bomb. Sorry. YES, TW3 is a great game and, lo and fucking behold in a goddamn bleak universe it allowed for A NUMBER of happy endings and some bittersweet ones and a freaking awfully soul crushing one. Did you hear that Bioware? Was that so hard to do...oh wait it would have hurt your art...got it. (snip) Also, Evil Chris if you are reading this you owe me an apology. Funny then that I thought all 3 endings were bad in Witcher 3 because the whole climax and third act in general is a confused mess. The game is god damn amazing but it plummets in its main narrative after the middle act is done. It's like "It's time to beat you once and for all Eredin--oh my god it's Rag Naar Rohg, the white frost is breaking loose and then CirigoessomewhereandescapesintothetowerandhurryYennefer--Avellac'hwhatareyouoweiawbfjkabihtoransraigguayegtuiaebtj
TWO WEEKS LATER
Ciri beat the white frost, cuz... willpower and stuff, you know.
A: ...and then Ciri became a Witcher. B: ...and then Ciri became the Empress
Alternative: Ciri died and Geralt is sad, the end." Fucking garbage endings and then you get some slideshows telling you what happened to everyone else. The last time Yen appears on screen is before the climax of the story even though it felt like she was really vital to the story. It would've been the same as if Anderson didn't appear after going out of the truck near the end of ME3. and yet, Gerald lives the rest of his life happily and so does ciri unless you screw it up. Also...she beats the frost because she is basically a goddess, wither she lives or not is dependent on whether you built her self confidence in herself as an individual and in her powers. Notice also that those endings did not cause the fan base to explode like ME3 did...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 6, 2017 0:22:34 GMT
BioWare fanbois - check CDPR fanbois - check Thoughtful posts - requires searching Butthurt - everywhere It's quite nostalgic isn't it, feels like old times All we need is Garrus back and it will be I suppose we have Vetra so that'll have to do I suppose.
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Post by akots on Jan 6, 2017 0:22:56 GMT
Trying to take cover from all this bs. And failing because there is NO taking cover in MEA. AT least I have not seen anything in the trailers clearly. I think it goes the way of some action game or Doom-like shooter. I WANT MY COVER! You can see cover at several points in VGA trailer, even if it's mostly blink and you miss it for example from 3:09 to about 3:11 4:07 (in cover behind new tech cover ability) 4:21 (behind rock while activating cloak) Not really, no, I cannot see. The prompt says something about finding cover. Otherwise, I have not noticed anything like NORMAL cover. What you point at is not a cover, it is just a sort of obstacle on the way.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 6, 2017 0:25:26 GMT
It's quite nostalgic isn't it, feels like old times All we need is Garrus back and it will be I suppose we have Vetra so that'll have to do I suppose. Nah, I'm good just knowing he's somewhere within the 1% of the explored galaxy in the milky way after ME3.
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Post by Vall on Jan 6, 2017 0:29:18 GMT
You can see cover at several points in VGA trailer, even if it's mostly blink and you miss it for example from 3:09 to about 3:11 4:07 (in cover behind new tech cover ability) 4:21 (behind rock while activating cloak) Not really, no, I cannot see. The prompt says something about finding cover. Otherwise, I have not noticed anything like NORMAL cover. What you point at is not a cover, it is just a sort of obstacle on the way. Thing is, there isn't sticky cover like there was in trilogy, now you just come near chest high wall and you automatically duck behind it, but it doesn't restrict your movement. What you can see in VGA trailer still functions like cover you know, you just don't need to press a button to enter it and you're not stuck to it (so no omni button sprinting and then smashing you into a wall the moment you come close)
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 6, 2017 0:32:36 GMT
My purchase certainly isn't based on these little video's the Dev's have shown. because I haven't even watched them. My purchase is based on the fact that, ever since I discovered Bioware with DA:O, I have thoroughly enjoyed their games. People can whine all they want about Bioware and how much they suck, but for me, no other game company has given me so many un-countable hours of gaming fun. Although Bethesda is a close second. I used to be like you. Just remember that Eh, to each their own. 14(15?) years of BioWare games and I'm still like that too. They remain my favorite game company by a long mark despite their stumbles, and held that slot since Baldur's Gate II. ... Though I am antsy for more marketing/game info, if for no other reason than to feed my growing hype.
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Post by akots on Jan 6, 2017 0:54:43 GMT
Not really, no, I cannot see. The prompt says something about finding cover. Otherwise, I have not noticed anything like NORMAL cover. What you point at is not a cover, it is just a sort of obstacle on the way. Thing is, there isn't sticky cover like there was in trilogy, now you just come near chest high wall and you automatically duck behind it, but it doesn't restrict your movement. What you can see in VGA trailer still functions like cover you know, you just don't need to press a button to enter it and you're not stuck to it (so no omni button sprinting and then smashing you into a wall the moment you come close) It does not have to be sticky, it can be something like it is in The Division. The thing is, there must be a cover. Otherwise, you what... a space magic god that runs in the open and does not get hit? :lol You can't dodge bullets, not on PC at 60 fps. I don't like games where you can dodge bullets unless it comes also with time stop space magic. The point of combat in ME universe was not to get hit and absolutely not to take as many hits as possible. That is the way of DAI and action games. There is no skill needed, just need to promote and get moar hp, armor, whatever. Move in zigzag, strafing skill, etc, and similar bs. So far, it does look like action game, I'm really disappointed. I hope it is individual freaky habits of whoever playing in that trailer and maybe even on lowest possible difficulty. I hope it is not like that at all, not at all. That char of his is getting hit so much, so much, no way you can do that even with space magic. Well, I guess just maybe simply a bad player, somebody from upper management who thinks himself worthy. Well, either he is a jerk or this game is bad-bad.
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Post by Arcian on Jan 6, 2017 3:27:24 GMT
Good thing about making games on a shoestring budget and selling them expensive is that you don't need to dupe that many into buying your shoddy game to make a return on the investment.
This is EA's business model in a nutshell by the way.
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Post by extremegamer on Jan 6, 2017 8:02:53 GMT
Less than 3 months to go and we get minor blips of poorly edited gameplay trailers that are less than 2 minutes long. Tonight's Nvidia GeForce gameplay was more insulting than the vga trailer. Is it too much to ask for a proper gameplay reveal? Before Doom released we had multiple gameplay videos 10-20 minutes long showcasing the game months beforehand for a 15hr game. Is Bioware not confident with their product? It's the DAI marketing campaign all over again and I'd expect we get shitty twitch streams of the game nearing launch but come on. Side note: game isn't really wowing me on the graphics department like Witcher 3. Nothing BioWare ever does ever will wow you like Witcher 3 did. Just accept it. No cause Bioware is and never will be on the level of CDPR who created the RPG game that ME A has to measure up to oh wait Geralt has a soul and personality does Ryder have one well the voice actor and Actress is saying Ryder does but will Bioware even understand what concept is
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Post by extremegamer on Jan 6, 2017 8:05:09 GMT
Also, DAI's approach is the best approach. It turned out great. LOL yeah ok and The Witcher did more and oh wait it was Game of The year and is considered by many one opt the best RPG games ever made so maybe when Bioware stops kissing the ass of fans and actually make a game that has a soul their franchises might mean something
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Post by extremegamer on Jan 6, 2017 8:10:26 GMT
I miss the DA:I marketing... I'm hoping the lack of content shown is an indication of Bioware being (over)cautious with their marketing rather than implying the game isn't nearly ready after all this time. I just wish we could have seen more about ME:A after 5 years. That doesn't seem like too much to ask... Hopefully we'll get another Initiative briefing soon at least. It's always interesting to see a post like yours with so many likes in a thread like this. It shows how many people are lurking! Also, I agree. Well, there was criticism on Bioware's marketing for DAI revealing too much, though so far they seemed to have gone the opposite direction, but there's plently of time for showing more. The briefing should be out soon, I think. It'll focus on the nomad and the tempest. Really? You think this game is going to suck? You realize this is BioWare's last real shot to knock one out of the park right? Especially after the failure that was Dragon Age: Inquisition..... Cuz if they don't...most likely EA will can all of them. Betchur ass they busted all of their asses into making this one of the best games they have ever produced. For them, this is it...do or die time. DAI was a financial success for EA that helped increasing their profit previsions for the quarter it was released, if I recall. TW3 being more successful didn't take anything for DAI's success for EA. Oh really once the Witcher 3 came out no one was saying how awesome DAI was cause it was a load of dog crap compared to the Wither 3. In Witcher 3 you had side quests that actually were interesting oh but what would Bioware die hards know you all are just simply blinded by the developer's name but don't worry Geralt would cut Shepard down and laugh at him
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Post by extremegamer on Jan 6, 2017 8:12:41 GMT
We have to stop further Witcherization of the franchises! Make Dragon Age and Mass Effect Great Again! well deal with this The Witcher 3 is the Skyrim of this gen and Bioware is so far behind CDPR its not even funny
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 6, 2017 8:14:54 GMT
The real question is: why are you planning on playing a game you anticipate hating? If you don't plan on playing, what's your interest in slamming the game on a forum for fans? Trying to convince others not to play?
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