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Post by napoleon on Jan 5, 2017 19:39:01 GMT
Ah this is why I love W3 fanatics. You say something they disagree with and they go "Oh no you're just confused." W3 has a lot of flaws and most of them can be traced back to the open world system. CDPR should have kept the hub based system from W2 and W1. It's annoying how they went from using a great system to an inferior one. Fanatics is people who constantly try to come off as edgelords while providing not a single amount of actual constructive criticism. You're just saying stuff out of your ass without any substance. You're one those people who think repeated NPCs means a terrible open world. And again, you babble about things you know nothing about. Get off your high horse. I don't even know what you are trying to say here so let me reiterate what I am saying. The Witcher 3 story is legitimately hurt by its open world. W2 is a much better paced game with a fantastic story. The hub system W2 used allowed for great sidequests while not drowning the narrative with pointless filler. W3 disappointed me because it threw away all the strengths that W2 when it went straight open world. It didn't help that Letho was a much better villian then the forgettable Eredin and characters like Saskia and Iroveth were completely forgotten. The Witcher 3 committed the worst sin it could ever make, it didn't live up to The Witcher 2. Yes I don't like repeated faceless NPC's. I loved how in Vizima in The Witcher 1 a lot of the NPC's that walked around the town were people you could interact with and played roles in the story. I could be walking down the street trying to solve a quest for Thaler and run right into Zoltan going for a morning stroll. It added life to the game. A similar thing happened in Vergen and Flotsam in The Witcher 2. Meanwhile in W3 the villages in Velen are indistinguishable from each other aside from maybe a blacksmith/armorer and the village leader. It felt like such a step down for the series. So no I don't "babble" about things I don't know anything about. I've played all the Witcher games multiple times. Three is my least favorite by far.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jan 5, 2017 19:40:03 GMT
The campaign might fail. Mass Effect was we know has had its ending with ME3. Bioware however decided to cancel ME3 altogether and rewrite the Mass Effect series for some easy cash, thus ME: Andromeda.
I hope it is a great game, but I understand its risks.
Fortunately I care much more about the Multiplayer than the campaign itself.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 5, 2017 19:42:55 GMT
I never said they shouldn't have revealed more at this point. I said they revealed more compared to TFA trailer, which didn't say nothing on the backstory, the protagonist, the companions, and tons of stuff (which is normal, obviously). Backstory, we saw the freaking Breach! We see several demons and Red Templars, and the siege of Adamant. The Protagonist: Morrigan is talking to the protagonist (ie, the Inquisitor ie you) Companions: We see Cassandra, Varric, Iron Bull, and Morrigan. That's already two more companions and one more NPC advisor than we've seen in MEA thus far. We as the Breach, we didn't know nothing on what happened. We do know more about the backstory of the initiative, as well as some articles actually stating what happens in the first minutes of the game. We already saw enemies between Kett, Remnants, and the MW hostiles. We had no clue what those fight where about. I don't recall seeing Red Templars in TFA (the first time they where shown was at the PAX demo). Morrigan speaking with us didn't tell nothing on what we are. The trailer didn't state we are the Inquisitor as well. We do know our role, a bit of our background and family members, as well as that we weren't supposed to be the Pathfinder. We saw so far Vetra, Drack, Cora, Liam and Peebee, which is more characters then what was shown in TFA trailer. Plus, you're saying they revealed stuff in the trailer while you're using informations they released later to explain it. There was speculation that Iron Bull was an enemy from the trailer, which have likely be bigger if there weren't leaks about the game. We did know about the other characters because they were old characters, but we had no clue on their role in the game. The trailer didn't explain much, which is way it was heavily criticized at that point. Again, I'm not debating MEA's marketing have been subpar, but saying that trailer shown more of DAI then the current total info on MEA, with all the articles and trailers (underwhelming as some might've been) is an exaggeration.
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Post by alexy on Jan 5, 2017 19:53:51 GMT
I don't exactly get all this outrage over the length of these demos or the "underwhelming" marketing campaign.
How many of you are actually holding their purchase based on the marketing of ME:A? And if you are, then hold your purchase until the game comes available and see videos of the actual thing. How much longer would you have to wait? Two, three days?
This is the first time in my life I've seen people angered over the fact that they are not being sold something with enough insistence. You people confuse me.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 5, 2017 20:00:32 GMT
Backstory, we saw the freaking Breach! We see several demons and Red Templars, and the siege of Adamant. The Protagonist: Morrigan is talking to the protagonist (ie, the Inquisitor ie you) Companions: We see Cassandra, Varric, Iron Bull, and Morrigan. That's already two more companions and one more NPC advisor than we've seen in MEA thus far. For Andromeda we've seen Peebee, Vetra and Drack and heard SAM (not much to see there since he is software)...so number of NPCs is the same Umm, the only image of Drack I've seen is a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of an image that might be a krogan in that Starcraft wannabe trailer last year. I haven't seen an image of Vetra at all. But hey, let's assume that's right. That means that in a year they've managed to tie the information given in this category that DAI revealed in a single reveal trailer. Bravo I guess.
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Post by Vall on Jan 5, 2017 20:05:56 GMT
For Andromeda we've seen Peebee, Vetra and Drack and heard SAM (not much to see there since he is software)...so number of NPCs is the same Umm, the only image of Drack I've seen is a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of an image that might be a krogan in that Starcraft wannabe trailer last year. I haven't seen an image of Vetra at all. But hey, let's assume that's right. That means that in a year they've managed to tie the information given in this category that DAI revealed in a single reveal trailer. Bravo I guess. Have you not seen VGA trailer? Drack even has a spoken line there Vetra was shown at the same time (though we haven't heard her speak yet).
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Post by kino on Jan 5, 2017 20:11:08 GMT
I doubt the game will fail. Too many fans of the series have been looking forward to this release and, so far, the previews we've seen haven't disappointed. The game won't fail because it's a shooter. Make a game where you can shoot aliens in the face and people will buy it, no matter how cr*ppy. AS for the marketing, DAI's "Fires Above" trailer told us more about DAI a year before release than what we know about MEA less than three months before it drops. It won't fail because it's Mass Effect, a series with an established fan base. Granted, the shooter aspect might bring in new players to the series, but the success will be because of the people who have been waiting for it since ME3.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 5, 2017 20:17:28 GMT
Backstory, we saw the freaking Breach! We see several demons and Red Templars, and the siege of Adamant. The Protagonist: Morrigan is talking to the protagonist (ie, the Inquisitor ie you) Companions: We see Cassandra, Varric, Iron Bull, and Morrigan. That's already two more companions and one more NPC advisor than we've seen in MEA thus far. We as the Breach, we didn't know nothing on what happened. We do know more about the backstory of the initiative, as well as some articles actually stating what happens in the first minutes of the game. We already saw enemies between Kett, Remnants, and the MW hostiles. We had no clue what those fight where about. I don't recall seeing Red Templars in TFA (the first time they where shown was at the PAX demo). Morrigan speaking with us didn't tell nothing on what we are. The trailer didn't state we are the Inquisitor as well. We do know our role, a bit of our background and family members, as well as that we weren't supposed to be the Pathfinder. We saw so far Vetra, Drack, Cora, Liam and Peebee, which is more characters then what was shown in TFA trailer. Plus, you're saying they revealed stuff in the trailer while you're using informations they released later to explain it. There was speculation that Iron Bull was an enemy from the trailer, which have likely be bigger if there weren't leaks about the game. We did know about the other characters because they were old characters, but we had no clue on their role in the game. The trailer didn't explain much, which is way it was heavily criticized at that point. Again, I'm not debating MEA's marketing have been subpar, but saying that trailer shown more of DAI then the current total info on MEA, with all the articles and trailers (underwhelming as some might've been) is an exaggeration. We knew about the Inquisition already. There were codex entries in previous games (DA2 at least). ANd we don't know anything about what happened beyond (something) Ryder could have a mysterious green shiny thing on his/her hand when coming out of stasis for all we know. What do we "know" about Vetra, exactly? Have we even seen Cora's face? I know there's been some debate on whether we've even seen Liam or not. We have no idea what's going on in the Milky Way either. Why the warlords? What did we do to p*ss off the Kett. Who are the remnants? I am not using information released later, I'm using information released earlier. DAI was actually announced in September of 2012, nearly a year before the Fires of Heaven trailer. And preceding that was a leaked document regarding the story: “The empire of Orlais is riven by civil war; the Chantry is divided; the Templar order has broken away; the Mage circles have rebelled. Some unseen force is manipulating events, bringing about disorder and destruction. Out of this confusion emerges The Inquisition.” Your specific mention if Iron Bull: No, there wasn't speculated that he was an enemy, but that he was a Tal'Vashoth as the leak suggested. Turned out no he was in fact a Qunari agent (though he could be nudged into becoming Tal'Vashoth) How funny that we're debating whether we've seen more or less information that DAI gave us a year before it's release. That we're even having this discussion pretty well shows MEA's marketing has been near-nonexistent.
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Post by jli84 on Jan 5, 2017 20:36:43 GMT
For Andromeda we've seen Peebee, Vetra and Drack and heard SAM (not much to see there since he is software)...so number of NPCs is the same Umm, the only image of Drack I've seen is a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of an image that might be a krogan in that Starcraft wannabe trailer last year. I haven't seen an image of Vetra at all. But hey, let's assume that's right. That means that in a year they've managed to tie the information given in this category that DAI revealed in a single reveal trailer. Bravo I guess. Just wondering: are you complaining about the lack of marketing based on the fact that you are not paying attention to it? The VGA trailer is the longest and most informative trailer as of yet, and seems like you haven't seen it yet. Have you seen the briefings on the game's home page? You can't blame BioWare for your lack of attention...
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Post by Elessar on Jan 5, 2017 20:39:01 GMT
I (sadly) got to agree that marketing so far has been quite inept. Instead of people getting hyped by what they see, it gets criticized to the point where devs have to make apologies and reasure fans. Instead of bringing into focus the strengths of the franchise they are seemingly too busy selling this (yet again) as the next great action game when in reality it still hasn't managed to get rid of the clunkiness and it will never be on equal footing with the likes of Gears of War in that department. Take a leaf out of T2's book. The ad for Red Dead 2 was an atmospheric little teaser that got people talking positively. I'm still hoping this is just the ineptitude of EA and the game turns out great in the end.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 5, 2017 20:44:29 GMT
Umm, the only image of Drack I've seen is a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of an image that might be a krogan in that Starcraft wannabe trailer last year. I haven't seen an image of Vetra at all. But hey, let's assume that's right. That means that in a year they've managed to tie the information given in this category that DAI revealed in a single reveal trailer. Bravo I guess. Just wondering: are you complaining about the lack of marketing based on the fact that you are not paying attention to it? The VGA trailer is the longest and most informative trailer as of yet, and seems like you haven't seen it yet. Have you seen the briefings on the game's home page? You can't blame BioWare for your lack of attention... I did watch the VGA awards, and yes, you are right, there is a brief but clear moment with Drack and Vetra. So congratulations, apparently I was wrong, a trailer released a little over three months before MEA's release was about as informative as DAI's announcement trailer released a year and change before release
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Post by midnightwolf on Jan 5, 2017 20:47:09 GMT
I don't exactly get all this outrage over the length of these demos or the "underwhelming" marketing campaign. How many of you are actually holding their purchase based on the marketing of ME:A? And if you are, then hold your purchase until the game comes available and see videos of the actual thing. How much longer would you have to wait? Two, three days? This is the first time in my life I've seen people angered over the fact that they are not being sold something with enough insistence. You people confuse me. My purchase certainly isn't based on these little video's the Dev's have shown. because I haven't even watched them. My purchase is based on the fact that, ever since I discovered Bioware with DA:O, I have thoroughly enjoyed their games. People can whine all they want about Bioware and how much they suck, but for me, no other game company has given me so many un-countable hours of gaming fun. Although Bethesda is a close second.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 5, 2017 20:47:45 GMT
I don't exactly get all this outrage over the length of these demos or the "underwhelming" marketing campaign. How many of you are actually holding their purchase based on the marketing of ME:A? And if you are, then hold your purchase until the game comes available and see videos of the actual thing. How much longer would you have to wait? Two, three days? This is the first time in my life I've seen people angered over the fact that they are not being sold something with enough insistence. You people confuse me. My purchase certainly isn't based on these little video's the Dev's have shown. because I haven't even watched them. My purchase is based on the fact that, ever since I discovered Bioware with DA:O, I have thoroughly enjoyed their games. People can whine all they want about Bioware and how much they suck, but for me, no other game company has given me so many un-countable hours of gaming fun. Although Bethesda is a close second. I used to be like you. Just remember that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 20:52:53 GMT
I don't exactly get all this outrage over the length of these demos or the "underwhelming" marketing campaign. How many of you are actually holding their purchase based on the marketing of ME:A? And if you are, then hold your purchase until the game comes available and see videos of the actual thing. How much longer would you have to wait? Two, three days? This is the first time in my life I've seen people angered over the fact that they are not being sold something with enough insistence. You people confuse me. If BioWare decided to go overboard with the marketing, people here would complain. If everything people wanted to be shown was shown in the marketing and demos, people here would complain. People here complain. Relentlessly. Even when there's nothing really worth or valid complaining about. There's probably no game (save Witcher 3 ) or game developer that could do anything to stop people (and gamers in general) from complaining. c'est la vie
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 5, 2017 20:53:38 GMT
Fanatics is people who constantly try to come off as edgelords while providing not a single amount of actual constructive criticism. You're just saying stuff out of your ass without any substance. You're one those people who think repeated NPCs means a terrible open world. And again, you babble about things you know nothing about. Get off your high horse. I don't even know what you are trying to say here so let me reiterate what I am saying. The Witcher 3 story is legitimately hurt by its open world. W2 is a much better paced game with a fantastic story. The hub system W2 used allowed for great sidequests while not drowning the narrative with pointless filler. W3 disappointed me because it threw away all the strengths that W2 when it went straight open world. It didn't help that Letho was a much better villian then the forgettable Eredin and characters like Saskia and Iroveth were completely forgotten. The Witcher 3 committed the worst sin it could ever make, it didn't live up to The Witcher 2. Yes I don't like repeated faceless NPC's. I loved how in Vizima in The Witcher 1 a lot of the NPC's that walked around the town were people you could interact with and played roles in the story. I could be walking down the street trying to solve a quest for Thaler and run right into Zoltan going for a morning stroll. It added life to the game. A similar thing happened in Vergen and Flotsam in The Witcher 2. Meanwhile in W3 the villages in Velen are indistinguishable from each other aside from maybe a blacksmith/armorer and the village leader. It felt like such a step down for the series. So no I don't "babble" about things I don't know anything about. I've played all the Witcher games multiple times. Three is my least favorite by far. No one was talking about story, that's a completely different subject unrelated to the the game's maps. We're talking about the world itself. Don't go off-road. Life in TW 1-2, really? That's entirely wrong. Everything about those hubs were one note. Even the NPCs were pretty similar. Go back to these games. There's no dynamic execution or whatsoever. For every standout side quest there's ten more in the third installment without even taking the DLCs in consideration. The Baron's storyline beats any quest from the first two. Quality writing at its finest, the semi open world didn't hurt it, but the contrary. Letho, a villain? You already fail here. And if a "villain" with barely character development is good, then you have low standards. The books will probably make you understand the character. The majority of the side-quests in the Witcher either flesh out the lore of the world or provide insight into Geralt and the main characters. They are well thought out and always have some great twist in them. Even the Witcher contracts which one would assume would be so straight forward are well thought out. Gwent is probably the best diversion I have ever played in a game and I loved being a forklift operator. I love the strategy of the decks and the hunt for obtaining all the rare cards. It is just a very well thought out system that makes this world even more engaging. Atmosphere? The very best. The game has an amazing art style that is cohesive through all the environments but coupled with the lighting system there are so many moments I just sit back and stare in awe at the surroundings. They have also succeeded in creating great landmarks that make you wan't to explore the environments. Some of the most amazing areas are off the beaten path. The cities feel alive and lived in. Novigrad in particular is so well conceived. The city has a lot of distinct areas that really give a sense of different classes going about their daily lives here. One small detail I really loved is when your first riding to Novigrad you come to all these small towns that are slowly increasing in size as you get closer. The roads also start to get a bit more busy as commerce is flowing in and out. All these little cues just help to make you feel part of a living world. Aside from the obvious writing, both DA and ME can take cues from the game we're talking about to build a better and engaging hubs since it's the direction they're now going for, and we get to play quality material, everyone's happy. TW3 must have done something right to earn the status it has in gaming industry. You're free to disagree, and if you want to continue this elsewhere, fine by me. It's off topic enough. Have a good one. I, for one, have faith in MEA being on par, if not better.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 5, 2017 21:14:46 GMT
Iakus: leaked info isn't informations released by Bioware. And it's irrelevant to the matter. I'm not comparing DAI and MEA's marketing. I already said the latter was subpar and DAI did a better job (so far). That's not something I disagree with you. What I'm saying is that watching The Fires Above trailer, alone, without having read any other info on DAI, didn't give us more info the what we have for MEA, as you seemed to imply. If you meant the info we got up to that point, leaks included, then that's another matter, and I misunderstood what you meant.
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Post by alexy on Jan 5, 2017 21:16:29 GMT
I don't exactly get all this outrage over the length of these demos or the "underwhelming" marketing campaign. How many of you are actually holding their purchase based on the marketing of ME:A? And if you are, then hold your purchase until the game comes available and see videos of the actual thing. How much longer would you have to wait? Two, three days? This is the first time in my life I've seen people angered over the fact that they are not being sold something with enough insistence. You people confuse me. My purchase certainly isn't based on these little video's the Dev's have shown. because I haven't even watched them. My purchase is based on the fact that, ever since I discovered Bioware with DA:O, I have thoroughly enjoyed their games. People can whine all they want about Bioware and how much they suck, but for me, no other game company has given me so many un-countable hours of gaming fun. Although Bethesda is a close second. Well, exactly! I mean, I buy BioWare games because they are BioWare games. Sure, it could be a flop and then I'd be sad. But no amount of marketing, or lack thereof, would change the fact that it's still made by the same studio, and I really enjoy what they do.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 5, 2017 21:18:04 GMT
I don't exactly get all this outrage over the length of these demos or the "underwhelming" marketing campaign. How many of you are actually holding their purchase based on the marketing of ME:A? And if you are, then hold your purchase until the game comes available and see videos of the actual thing. How much longer would you have to wait? Two, three days? This is the first time in my life I've seen people angered over the fact that they are not being sold something with enough insistence. You people confuse me. My purchase certainly isn't based on these little video's the Dev's have shown. because I haven't even watched them. My purchase is based on the fact that, ever since I discovered Bioware with DA:O, I have thoroughly enjoyed their games. People can whine all they want about Bioware and how much they suck, but for me, no other game company has given me so many un-countable hours of gaming fun. Although Bethesda is a close second. yeah thast's pretty much been the case with me for the last 3-5 years as well when I discovered ME although I had DAO and DA2 as well I didn't really get into Dragon Age properly until just after DAI came out I had hte games but didn't play much as I had trouble figuring out the mechanics for them it wasn't until I got he strategy guides later on that it clicked. But certainly in the pas tcouple of years or so most odf my time has been split between creating different heroes to play in these 2 series of games. Looking forward t ocreating and playing my first Ryder but we'll see how things go there.
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Post by kumazan on Jan 5, 2017 21:26:54 GMT
I don't exactly get all this outrage over the length of these demos or the "underwhelming" marketing campaign. How many of you are actually holding their purchase based on the marketing of ME:A? And if you are, then hold your purchase until the game comes available and see videos of the actual thing. How much longer would you have to wait? Two, three days? This is the first time in my life I've seen people angered over the fact that they are not being sold something with enough insistence. You people confuse me. If BioWare decided to go overboard with the marketing, people here would complain. If everything people wanted to be shown was shown in the marketing and demos, people here would complain. People here complain. Relentlessly. Even when there's nothing really worth or valid complaining about. There's probably no game (save Witcher 3 ) or game developer that could do anything to stop people (and gamers in general) from complaining. c'est la vie People are complaining about W3 in a thread in this very subforum, so not even that. Moral is different people are different and what pleases some annoys others. And this is all the complaning about the complaining about the complaining I'm doing for now.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 5, 2017 21:32:56 GMT
Okay here goes.
To the OP. I don't think it will fail but am keeping my expectations at good not mindblowing. I am pretty sure it will be good or better but keeping my expectations on the low side is always a smart move.
Marketing complaints- I don't think they are doing a bad job in not giving us long gameplay sequences or telling us much more. What I do think they are doing wrong is not putting polished game play out and instead putting out stuff that looks sub par in terms of looks and movement.
To the witcher 3 comments- It was a great game. Yes it was a great game but it had more then a few flaws. The open world was mind blowing but took away from the story in my opinion. The story was well written and the game was fun. But it wasn't the perfect game in everyway. Honestly I think bioware usually does characters better then anyone else including CDPR. So enough with the comments that are essentially "bioware sucks and the witcher 3 is amazing" Throw some constructive criticizm in there at least.
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Post by pixiqui on Jan 5, 2017 22:13:35 GMT
I highly doubt this game will fail, commercially that is. Mass effect is one of the most recognized, popular, and loved franchises in gaming. And MEA is one of the most anticipated games of 2017, go on youtube and its on almost everyones list of anticipated games for this year. Despite the ending And despite inquistion, this is a mass effect game it will sell well because it will always have many dedicated fans. So commercially, i highly doubt mass effect andromenda will fail, if your asking if it will fail for the longterm fans well we will just have to see in march. I admit i dont like how bioware and EA have been marketing this game at all, however i know we will be getting more info later this month and febuary. All i know is im going to be cautiously optimistic.
Also, some of you so called "Fans" seem to want bioware and this game to fail so badly its ridiculous I admit bioware is not as great as they once were and yes sometimes complaining is the only way devlopers will learn from their mistakes but there is a difference from complaining because you want something to get better and complaining because you want something to fail, and im pretty sure your complaining because you want this game to fail along with many other of these so called "Fans" and seriously im so tired of witcher fanboys going on and on about how no other game can touch their precious witcher. I have no doubt that the witcher is a good game and bioware can take some points from it, but jesus some of you guys go on every gaming rpg forum and talk endlessly about how every game will never be as good as the witcher ive seen a ton of those on the fallout and bethesda forums as well. It really makes me never want to ever play the game despite all the good things ive heard about it.
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Post by amleth on Jan 5, 2017 22:38:45 GMT
I really don't understand why TW3 fanboys insist on coming to a Bioware game forum, and boring us all to death with never ending Witcher crap. If you like the game, then great go praise it on a TW3 forum. I think there is a clear difference between fanboying and appreciation for a game that has revolutionized the genre and from which bioware could stand to learn a thing or two. I've raised a few points about this before,won't bother to do that again.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 5, 2017 22:41:26 GMT
I highly doubt this game will never fail, commercially that is. Mass effect is one of the most recognized, popular, and loved franchises in gaming. And MEA is one of the most anticipated games of 2017, go on youtube and its on almost everyones list of anticipated games for this year. Despite the ending And despite inquistion, this is a mass effect game it will sell well becasue it will always have many dedicated fans. So commercially, i highly doubt mass effect andromenda will fail, if your asking if it will fail for the longterm fans well we will just have to see in march. I admit i dont like how bioware and EA have been marketing this game at all, however i know we will be getting more info later this month and febuary. All i know is im going to be cautiously optimistic. Also, some of you so called "Fans" seem to want bioware and this game to fail so badly its ridiculous I admit bioware is not as great as they once were and yes somethimes complaining is the only way devlopers will learn from their mistakes but there is a difference from complaining because you want something to get better and complaining because you want something to fail, and im pretty sure your complaining because you want this game to fail along with many other of these so called "Fans" and seriously im so tired of witcher fanboys going on and on about how no other game can touch their precious witcher. I have no doubt that the witcher is a good game and bioware can take some points from it, but jesus some of you guys go on every gaming rpg forum and talk endless about how every game will never be as good as the witcher ive seen a ton of those on the fallout and bethesda forums as well. It really makes me never want to ever play the game despite all the good things ive heard about it. I am pessimistic, but I don't want Bioware to fail. In fact, I would be happy to be wrong, and MEA be the start of a Bioware Renaissance. But if I truly believed that was going to happen, I wouldn't be pessimistic now, would I? Instead what I'm seeing is Bioware moving further and further away from the qualities that made them great in the first place, in favor of "streamlining", of microtransactions, of role-playing and story-telling. I've been a Bioware fan ever since the original Baldur's Gate. man that instruction book was like a mini Player's Handbook for 2nd Edition D&D. Now I wonder how many of the team are gamers at all? It's funny, as shooters start adapting more RPG mechanics, Bioware is taking the opposite tack, making their RPGS more into purely action games. Fewer choices, more streamlined builds, "Rule of Cool" to replace storytelling. I look at the lower-budget indie games and Kickstarters and wonder what happened. Bioware used to make games like this. How much greater could they make games like that with their budget and staff? I look at what was done with games like the Mass Effect Trilogy and want to weep for what's been lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 22:56:08 GMT
To the witcher 3 comments- It was a great game. Yes it was a great game but it had more then a few flaws. The open world was mind blowing but took away from the story in my opinion. The story was well written and the game was fun. But it wasn't the perfect game in everyway. Honestly I think bioware usually does characters better then anyone else including CDPR. So enough with the comments that are essentially "bioware sucks and the witcher 3 is amazing" Throw some constructive criticizm in there at least. Bioware did characters better than CD Projekt Red until DA:I and TW3. The only DA:I character as memorable as the Bloody Baron, the Von Everecs, Gaunter O'Dimm, and the Witches of Crookback Bog was Solas. Even side characters in TW3 were often more memorable than main characters in DA:I. Keira Metz and Shani had better developed romance arcs than LIs like Josephine or Blackwall, and the former were just side characters who at best were passing flings for Geralt. Was there any romance scene in DA:I with the emotional impact of TW3's The Last Wish? I'd argue no. Were there any side characters encountered in DA:I that were as memorable as TW3's trolls, Johnny, or Djikstra? Certainly not. Compare the Wicked Grace scene to the Witchers getting drunk. Both scenes are very similar but while the TW3's version manages to be humorous and endearing, DA:I's was stilted and and cringe-inducing. In DA:I the horrors of the Mage-Templar War, the Orlesian civil war, or the demon invasion are largely missing from the game, the only experience the player has with them (and barely) is after the fact through notes and such scattered on the ground, whereas in the TW3 Geralt experiences it first hand. Even DA:I's bard, which I loved, was outshone by Priscilla in TW3. In short, CD Project Red did almost everything Bioware wanted to do in DA:I better in TW3. I'm no Witcher fanboy and find brand loyalty ridiculous (we're all nothing more than walking wallets to game developers), so that opinion wasn't formed out of any sort of bias. If I were to rank all of the Witcher games against all of the Dragon Age games, the Witcher 1 would easily be my nomination for the worst of the six games, and by a mile. TW3 was just a much better game than DA:I, and Bioware hasn't created a great DA game since DA:O. That all said, I think Bioware has yet to release a disappointing Mass Effect game even with the whole ME3 ending controversy. I'm less concerned about ME:A than I am about DA4.
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Post by midnightwolf on Jan 5, 2017 22:57:02 GMT
I really don't understand why TW3 fanboys insist on coming to a Bioware game forum, and boring us all to death with never ending Witcher crap. If you like the game, then great go praise it on a TW3 forum. I think there is a clear difference between fanboying and appreciation for a game that has revolutionized the genre and from which bioware could stand to learn a thing or two. I've raised a few points about this before,won't bother to do that again. That's usually true, but not where DutchesGhost and a few others are concerned. All this guy does is troll DA -and now ME- fan's, with stupid posts about how great TW3 is. It makes me wonder if he's ever actually played a game, besides TW3.
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