The Tempest thread (confirmed 100% weaponry free)

We still don't know if the Initiative has no warships. We know only the Tempest doesn't.
I'm not questions the validity of it. I don't agree with it as well. I just think it's a separate issue from the slogan of 'Fighting for home/survival/etc.' since those refers to the situation we found as we arrived, not their plans before the voyage.
As for weapons for people, maybe they have them because it cost less then creating cannons and weapons for ships (that's assuming no ship will have weapons, otherwise its just a design decision they made for the scout vessel). Maybe they wanted to create warships as they arrive, for the same reason as why they didn't complete the Nexus.

The only creature we can't kill on foot is the gigantic thresher maw, which might be a problem for ships as well. Normal maws are killabe lorewise.
I'm not saying I like the choice. But it's clearly a gameplay issue that lead to that decision for the Nomad.

The question isn't what that reasoner is, it's what possible reason would there be?

You don't have to be a writer to speculate.  Heck Bioware encourages "speculation" 

It's not lore breaking. I don't like it, and I think it's a stupid decision in game, but it doesn't break the lore. 
It's not about making it pass, but understanding the project doesn't have infinite resources. Something has to be cut or not implemented.



I wonder how they can be hippies when they bring along weapons
I understand not liking and being against the decision, and the leaders of the Initiative were obviously going clueless/stupid, but it's clear not about being hippies, so continuing to say that isn't going to help your point.

For all we know Jien could be indoctrinated, and sending everyone to Andromeda like lambs to the slaughter.

Easy pickings for the Reapers.

Still going to wait and see until I've actually played the game though...

Bioware confirmed there aren't Reapers in Andromeda. I doubt that the leaders would be indoctrinated, but it might explain it.

Ok. I agree with you.

And yes, even if they planned to expand their ships after they get to Andromeda, they sure as hell should build new ships for pathfinders. And maybe that's the whole point while we complain about the Tempest.

But the thing is, whoever was responsible for this Initiative didn't have a fucking clue about what he/she was doing.

I can't believe we joined them. That's the worst part.

as others stated I would have been 100% ok with SEEING the guns on the nomad while having no occasion to use them if THAT is the reason (vehicle combat gameplay was scrapped because of resources). And I am gonna keep calling them space hippies unless we get a better answer than " we come in peace brothers and sisters from an alien womb" as per why we have no goddamn cannon on our rover.


It breaks the lore in the sense that the milky way is FILLED with hostile planets inhabited by creatures that are the size of a fucking bus and able to tear through squads of people (including sentient ones like the yahg)...that knowledge is available to EVERYONE who has access to the extranet including the space hip...I mean the people who organized the Andromeda initiative and chosen to give us vehicles with no guns. It either flies in the face of the lore OR assumes the utter suicidal stupidity of people who came up with the idea AND those who went along with it. Take your pick.

When the game is released we will know if it is by clever stupidity, or otherwise, I think it's too early to call.

Is this thread a discussion about the Tempest overall, or just about the no weapons thing?

It'd be neat for the general discourse of the discussion to cover other things about the Tempest we've seen in the briefing video. Besides the penthouse cabin being too large and no weapons thing.

Or just keep debating. I don't even know anymore

People got angry about the thermal clips? 

You see... that's where we differ.  At this point in time - two months before I'll even consider deciding whether or not to buy the game... I do feel better just trying to theorize about what their plot might be.   It's that discussion... about what sort of plot device this might be... that has made this thread even halfway enjoyable for me to read.  As you admit, people have been trying to "call out" Bioware on a number issues for many years now.  It just doesn't appear to be working for them... not sure why I'd start to believe it would work for them this time around.