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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 20:26:11 GMT
I sort of have difficulty with high degrees of maneuverability in a space environment at any time. ... and after the infamous lecture we got in ME2 about Newton's 3rd Law, I have difficulties with projectile-based combat in space as well. But... I don't profess to be a scientist and I find that I enjoy my science fiction more if I just avoid getting overtly scientific about it. Right there with ya. Some of the cutscenes showing fighters maneuvering quicker/easier/faster than an F14 (and outside of a planet's atmosphere)... are just silly, imho. Rule of cool at work. Good point. Must remember to not take Drack anywhere in the Nomad Of course Drack is probably more effective than a main gun anyway Armor plating could weigh quite a lot, too - which you'd want if you were ever going to engage in combat in the Nomad. And speaking of weight (mass), I'm sort of hoping that things like gravity and atmosphere will be taken into account, especially since they'll have Frostbite's physics engine at their disposal. I can imagine a desire to strictly limit the Tempest's (and resident Nomad's) overall weight especially since it's designed to land on planets. The only time I remember the Normandy ever landing directly on a planet was on Virmire, and that was the SR1 - otherwise it docks at spaceports and sends ground crews out in the Mako, Hammerhead, shuttle. I can imagine wanting to land the Tempest someplace with a thin crust - like on ice or a lava field with a thin crust on top - and the planet's gravity along with the ship's overall mass being an important consideration. Also, wanting to be able to escape quickly from planets with high gravity / atmospheric conditions. If I get my wish, gravity and atmospheric conditions will affect things like our rate of speed (on foot and in the Nomad), how high we can jump with the boots, how quickly bullets arrive at their targets, how long we can stay on the planet. I guess we'll see. I find it difficult to believe a single person, no matter how rich is, has the money to build from scratch something like the AI. Logistics alone, I mean the raw materials needed to build something like that, would bankrupts at least one council species. How is that any different than TIM being the apparent sole funding behind Cerberus - with all of its outposts and stations, numerous scientists and costly research techniques, a fleet, and an army that it believes to be capable of taking over the Citadel?
Most Council species have numerous dreadnoughts and other ships.The 'they' I was referring to was referring to an in-universe perspective in the sense that in-universe nobody would see the decisions the AI has made to be logical since they know that alien life is a real thing and can be a threat so would not send civilians without a means of fighting back. We know this because we've seen this mindset prevalent throughout the trilogy. I don't recall ever seeing any codex entries or other in-world lore having to do with the usual process followed in colonization. We did see a number of colonies in TMW with minimal (if any) defenses. IIRC, part of the ME2 mission on Horizon involved initiating the newly installed GARDIAN laser systems. The colony had been founded in 2168, and it was just getting these defenses in 2185. The colonists on Feros formed their own militia to protect themselves. Etc. TIM had fingers in so many pies, you almost couldn't pick up a credit in universe without giving him the tip. But it was somehow believable in universe, considering how many interstellar corporations backed him up: heck, the most public face of Cerberus was too a corporation. The Cord Hislop Aerospace, to be precise. Regarding the manpower instead, Cerberus expanded heavily in ME3 thanks to implanting the colonists on Sanctuary with reaper tech and programming them as shock troopers. Before ME3, Cerberus was a couple of hundreds of people at most, with too much credits to spend.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 18, 2017 20:28:20 GMT
Does the same contractor who builds planes for the military also build the weapons systems for them? Didn't NASA have a Canadian contractor build the Canada Arm for the shuttle? We all components for the International Space Station built in one place? Wasn't the crucible built in one location?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 20:34:03 GMT
Does the same contractor who builds planes for the military also build the weapons systems for them? Didn't NASA have a Canadian contractor build the Canada Arm for the shuttle? We all components for the International Space Station built in one place? Wasn't the crucible built in one location? Do we REALLY know that all pieces of the crucible were built from scratch in one location? Also, in the case of the Crucible, you're following one set of alien blueprints that no one really knows for sure what it really is or what it really will do when it's finished. It's also being built during wartime. Simply not the case with the AI. We also already know that the other ARKS were being built in other locations.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 20:39:35 GMT
Does the same contractor who builds planes for the military also build the weapons systems for them? Didn't NASA have a Canadian contractor build the Canada Arm for the shuttle? We all components for the International Space Station built in one place? Wasn't the crucible built in one location? Doubtful, and just for strategic reasons alone. A thing of that size and magnitude should have been on the move among the stars and portals to make it irretraceable, at least to potentially indoctrinated forces. Dunno if it worked completely, but even if hiding the project in itself could have been doable, it would have been impossible to do the same with all the ships bringing resources and manpowers from all the corners of the Galaxy. Also, Hackett (that wasn’t exactly a fool in game) could have understood why the Reapers didn’t attack a stationary work in progress Crucible: because they wanted it complete as much as the Alliance.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 18, 2017 20:44:13 GMT
Do we REALLY know that all pieces of the crucible were built from scratch in one location? Also, in the case of the Crucible, you're following one set of alien blueprints that no one really knows for sure what it really is or what it really will do when it's finished. It's also being built during wartime. Simply not the case with the AI. We also already know that the other ARKS were being built in other locations. What other places were parts of the crucible built? So the other species were using the same weapons manufacturer? And for whatever reason, weren't completed/delivered in time because the ships went to Andromeda earlier than planned on a rumor that reapers might show up, but don't know when?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 20:49:16 GMT
Do we REALLY know that all pieces of the crucible were built from scratch in one location? Also, in the case of the Crucible, you're following one set of alien blueprints that no one really knows for sure what it really is or what it really will do when it's finished. It's also being built during wartime. Simply not the case with the AI. We also already know that the other ARKS were being built in other locations. What other places were parts of the crucible built? So the other species were using the same weapons manufacturer? And for whatever reason, weren't completed/delivered in time because the ships went to Andromeda earlier than planned on a rumor that reapers might show up, but don't know when? As I said, it's still not comparable because the Crucible is a singular Alien weapon. The ARKs are not singular, not built all in the same place, and use components not built exclusively for ARKs. If you're going to get GARDIAN lasers, maybe you should order those from the makers of that brand of weapon regardless of whether or not your Asari or Human... and you can't tell me that different millitaries worldwide don't use some of the same contractors for their weapons, planes, tanks, vehicles, etc. ... and I think the destruction of an entire system with "minutes to spare" could possibly give the organizers of the AI the impression that there might be some urgency... yes.
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Post by keiji on Jan 18, 2017 20:54:13 GMT
Okay now that's official I am #TeamUpUpAwayRedux.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 20:57:35 GMT
Are people still arguing that maybe we do not need armed vehicles in hostile alien planets because "insert tree hugging space hippy bs here"? Seriously? I've yet to see anything that remotely resembles "tree hugging space hippy bs here" offered as an argument, though there have been plenty of such accusations made.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 18, 2017 20:59:01 GMT
Also, I find unbelievable that the Andromeda galaxy (or the Milky Way for that matter) could be poor in resources. Maaaybe relatively to the Universe, sure, but in the Milky Way, in universe, we’ve explored only 1% of the stars. So we should still have the 99% rest to grab. Andromeda is an entire new galaxy to explore, where we would be less than 1 million people. We could live with the scraps and be richer than a Croesus anyway. And of course, both the Tempest and the Nomad are defenceless because they have hulls made of plot armour, which is refined from plot device ore, stronger than Silaris. It's the cluster we in that is apparently scarce of resources, not the whole galaxy. The Nomad can actually be damaged, maybe even to the point of repairs being needed, if I recall. I hope the Nomad isn't a total cluster truck *cough*
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Post by nem7 on Jan 18, 2017 21:00:35 GMT
This Crucible also is a big plot hole. Engineers build smth and don't know what they built. WAAAT? This is so dumb statement! At least they had to have some hypotheses how it all worked. For example: "oh I see! if we use this and this it will cause a magnetic field! And magnetic field in this zone creates mass effect! Wow new way to get mass effect! etc."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 21:05:12 GMT
I very much doubt it'll be anything like that, otherwise they'd have not taken weapons on Andromeda. Even if the Initiative might be more pacific and then militaristic, nobody is going to say anything close to that. I think it's more likely they severely underestimated the problems they might face, or that they decide to build up warships in Andromeda (in either case mistakes). That's if the Initiative won't have warships already, which we don't know. right...so explain to me HOW one underestimates what can be found on a hostile planet's surface when anyone with access to the extranet can see videos of tuchanka. Sure the verbiage will not be what I proposed but the lack of an armed vehicle can only be explained through stupidity. Is there a reason why Ryder would choose to land on a planet like Tuchanka? Shepard had specific reasons to go there.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 21:12:50 GMT
Also, I find unbelievable that the Andromeda galaxy (or the Milky Way for that matter) could be poor in resources. Maaaybe relatively to the Universe, sure, but in the Milky Way, in universe, we’ve explored only 1% of the stars. So we should still have the 99% rest to grab. Andromeda is an entire new galaxy to explore, where we would be less than 1 million people. We could live with the scraps and be richer than a Croesus anyway. And of course, both the Tempest and the Nomad are defenceless because they have hulls made of plot armour, which is refined from plot device ore, stronger than Silaris. It's the cluster we in that is apparently scarce of resources, not the whole galaxy. The Nomad can actually be damaged, maybe even to the point of repairs being needed, if I recall. I have difficulties to believe it anyway. For once, in ME:A, we’re not confined to one planet or one colony. We could continue our voyage in a more resources rich zone of Andromeda for instance, if the situation is really so dire. Also, take in consideration that we should be able to finish the Nexus with the resources of the Helios Cluster anyway… so again it seems a little unbelievable. A resources depleted cluster, but with just enough materials to sustain and improve our fleet? Mmhh… And should all of this not be enough anyway, we’re again less than 1 million people in a new galaxy. The raw ferric ore mined from a medium sized asteroid in Sol is enough to build a settlement on Earth. And let’s not consider the resources of an entire planet, or a moon, when called to sustain only 1 million people with the technology we have in universe. As I said, the scraps would be enough.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 21:17:16 GMT
It's the cluster we in that is apparently scarce of resources, not the whole galaxy. The Nomad can actually be damaged, maybe even to the point of repairs being needed, if I recall. I hope the Nomad isn't a total cluster truck *cough* Of course not: it's a cluster mack. Badum-tish.... Yeah, I'm going to feed Kalros with myself now. No need to stand up.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 18, 2017 21:37:28 GMT
As I said, it's still not comparable because the Crucible is a singular Alien weapon. The ARKs are not singular, not built all in the same place, and use components not built exclusively for ARKs. If you're going to get GARDIAN lasers, maybe you should order those from the makers of that brand of weapon regardless of whether or not your Asari or Human... and you can't tell me that different millitaries worldwide don't use some of the same contractors for their weapons, planes, tanks, vehicles, etc. Did humans get gaurdian lasers from the same place as the asari? How about the turians? Is there only one location in the whole galaxy where the weapons can be produced? I'm sure the asari had weapons for the destiny when they first discovered the Citadel. So did they send humans, turians and salarians to the same place they got their weapons? Only if they knew, and even then I would be skeptical until I had something concrete to prove the reapers will be here
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 21:39:11 GMT
I hope the Nomad isn't a total cluster truck *cough* Of course not: it's a cluster mack. Badum-tish.... Yeah, I'm going to feed Kalros with myself now. No need to stand up. If the Nomad transforms into an autobot, like an Optimus Prime level autobot, my concerns are no more.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 18, 2017 21:39:40 GMT
It's the cluster we in that is apparently scarce of resources, not the whole galaxy. The Nomad can actually be damaged, maybe even to the point of repairs being needed, if I recall. I have difficulties to believe it anyway. For once, in ME:A, we’re not confined to one planet or one colony. We could continue our voyage in a more resources rich zone of Andromeda for instance, if the situation is really so dire. Also, take in consideration that we should be able to finish the Nexus with the resources of the Helios Cluster anyway… so again it seems a little unbelievable. A resources depleted cluster, but with just enough materials to sustain and improve our fleet? Mmhh… And should all of this not be enough anyway, we’re again less than 1 million people in a new galaxy. The raw ferric ore mined from a medium sized asteroid in Sol is enough to build a settlement on Earth. And let’s not consider the resources of an entire planet, or a moon, when called to sustain only 1 million people with the technology we have in universe. As I said, the scraps would be enough. You're not considering, though, that the cluster is likely inhabitated by other species. And while one might be peaceful, the other, the Kett, aren't. We know little of the geopolitical situation in the cluster to really understand what's going on. As for moving in other zones of Andromeda, it's not so easy without relays.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 21:40:33 GMT
Of course not: it's a cluster mack. Badum-tish.... Yeah, I'm going to feed Kalros with myself now. No need to stand up. If the Nomad transforms into an autobot, like an Optimus Prime level autobot, my concerns are no more. It would still lack weapons tough.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 21:42:03 GMT
I have difficulties to believe it anyway. For once, in ME:A, we’re not confined to one planet or one colony. We could continue our voyage in a more resources rich zone of Andromeda for instance, if the situation is really so dire. Also, take in consideration that we should be able to finish the Nexus with the resources of the Helios Cluster anyway… so again it seems a little unbelievable. A resources depleted cluster, but with just enough materials to sustain and improve our fleet? Mmhh… And should all of this not be enough anyway, we’re again less than 1 million people in a new galaxy. The raw ferric ore mined from a medium sized asteroid in Sol is enough to build a settlement on Earth. And let’s not consider the resources of an entire planet, or a moon, when called to sustain only 1 million people with the technology we have in universe. As I said, the scraps would be enough. You're not considering, though, that the cluster is likely inhabitated by other species. And while one might be peaceful, the other, the Kett, aren't. We know little of the geopolitical situation in the cluster to really understand what's going on. As for moving in other zones of Andromeda, it's not so easy without relays. Yet we just completed a 600 hundred years’ trip to go there... What are 10 to 15 more?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 21:42:38 GMT
If the Nomad transforms into an autobot, like an Optimus Prime level autobot, my concerns are no more. It would still lack weapons tough. Oh, fuck... It's... not fair... this life...
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 18, 2017 21:47:13 GMT
You're not considering, though, that the cluster is likely inhabitated by other species. And while one might be peaceful, the other, the Kett, aren't. We know little of the geopolitical situation in the cluster to really understand what's going on. As for moving in other zones of Andromeda, it's not so easy without relays. Yet we just completed a 600 hundred years’ trip to go there... What are 10 to 15 more? Well, for starters, two Arks at least were in trouble and at one point unable to be contacted. We don't know about the other two. Besides, considering their calculations on the Helius Cluster, in terms of resources and threats, were wrong, I'd say they're not so comfortable moving on a possibly worse situation. Those are all speculations though. We know little of what actually happened when the Nexus and the first three Arks reached the new galaxy.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 18, 2017 21:50:29 GMT
If the Nomad transforms into an autobot, like an Optimus Prime level autobot, my concerns are no more. It would still lack weapons tough. How about it turns into a decepticon? That would definitely have weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 21:52:07 GMT
Are we still even talking about the Tempest now?
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 21:53:44 GMT
It would still lack weapons tough. Oh, fuck... It's... not fair... this life... Nope. Never is. Luckily, I’ve always another left before game over. And as you said, you’re human: so fuck shit up and solve problem down should be your bread and butter… Or it was shit fucks up and solves problem down?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 21:55:40 GMT
Oh, fuck... It's... not fair... this life... Nope. Never is. Luckily, I’ve always another left before game over. And as you said, you’re human: so fuck shit up and solve problem down should be your bread and butter… Or it was shit fucks up and solves problem down? Yeah... but... you know... ah, forget it. Let's kick ass.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 21:56:46 GMT
Are we still even talking about the Tempest now? It's the yard time of the topic. A breath of fresh air before going back to that dark cell of blunders and hanged disbelief.
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