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Post by raikas on Apr 6, 2017 21:36:22 GMT
My PT of DA clocked at about 30 hours. I played on Normal, and I skipped one of the companions, and one of the companion's quests was resolved as "No, we are not going to do this, it's crazy", and I am guessing the alternatives put extra play-time in. I feel like most of my average runs (without counting Legacy or MotA) are around the 28-33 hour mark. That's playing on hard (I have no patience for nightmare, but I imagine that adds an extra several hours), but maybe other people are more dedicated to hearing all the banter? I've never tried to get all the combinations to trigger, but that has to add hours to it too...
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Post by tidus on Apr 7, 2017 10:09:31 GMT
Done.. I found the end battles was harder then bringing down Corypheus and his dragon. I had a rough time at the docks due to that mob of demons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 13:05:48 GMT
My PT of DA clocked at about 30 hours. I played on Normal, and I skipped one of the companions, and one of the companion's quests was resolved as "No, we are not going to do this, it's crazy", and I am guessing the alternatives put extra play-time in. I feel like most of my average runs (without counting Legacy or MotA) are around the 28-33 hour mark. That's playing on hard (I have no patience for nightmare, but I imagine that adds an extra several hours), but maybe other people are more dedicated to hearing all the banter? I've never tried to get all the combinations to trigger, but that has to add hours to it too... Oh, yes, I always play in "I get what I get" manner rather than trying for a full completion.
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Post by Wildfire on Apr 10, 2017 11:24:23 GMT
My latest PT (including Legacy and Mark of the Assassin) clocked 86 hours DA2 is just so fun to play. And I want to see every possible scene with Hawke.
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Post by fenris on Apr 11, 2017 9:27:24 GMT
See? I remembered it was something like 80+ hours too!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 1:52:41 GMT
DA2 is my favorite Bioware game. I think its story and the structure of the narrative is one of the most innovative stories they have written. Risky, as well, and unfortunately the risk didn't pay off as well as their standard saving the world stories. But I like the smaller scale of it, the idea of just living in a city with your friends and not going on A Quest for the whole time.
When I heard the song over the credits (by Florence and the Machine?) I had chills. I like the song and it felt so right to go with the end of the game. I just really wanted more. I wish the Exalted Marches expansion had happened instead of folding it into DAI.
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Post by Rascoth on May 3, 2017 18:05:45 GMT
I love DA2. It's my favourite game, and I'm not talking only about BioWare's titles. ... Now it would be appropriate to say why I love it, but you guys told almost everything that could be told So I'll add one small thing: it's DA2 that lead me to one of the most memorable discussions I had on forums, one of my favourites being about certain companions' loyalties to Hawke. Also templar Carver on friendship path is the best gaming sibling
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Post by Catilina on May 3, 2017 18:47:18 GMT
I love DA2. It's my favourite game, and I'm not talking only about BioWare's titles. ... Now it would be appropriate to say why I love it, but you guys told almost everything that could be told So I'll add one small thing: it's DA2 that lead me to one of the most memorable discussions I had on forums, one of my favourites being about certain companions' loyalties to Hawke. Also templar Carver on friendship path is the best gaming sibling That's simple: all companions are loyal, if Hawke loyal too. These are friends, and this mutual. And all companions loyal to themselves. If Hawke betrays them, or do not care about them... they will follow their own way. (Okay, except Sebastian, but at this moment he just very angry, somehow I can understand him. Alistair, just doesn't want to be executioner...) I like rival Carver, because my Hawkes mostly rather jerks, who more, who less.
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Post by Rascoth on May 3, 2017 19:04:45 GMT
I love DA2. It's my favourite game, and I'm not talking only about BioWare's titles. ... Now it would be appropriate to say why I love it, but you guys told almost everything that could be told So I'll add one small thing: it's DA2 that lead me to one of the most memorable discussions I had on forums, one of my favourites being about certain companions' loyalties to Hawke. Also templar Carver on friendship path is the best gaming sibling That's simple: all companions are loyal, if Hawke loyal too. These are friends, and this mutual. And all companions loyal to themselves. If Hawke betrays them, or do not care about them... they will follow their own way. (Okay, except Sebastian, but at this moment he just very angry, somehow I can understand him. Alistair, just doesn't want to be executioner...) I like rival Carver, because my Hawkes mostly rather jerks, who more, who less. Hah, Sebastian. You brought up character that started it all And I agree that as long as Hawke is loyal to companions, they're going to be loyal as well. As for said discussion... It revolved around Aveline, Fenris (both which seem pro-templar, tho with Aveline it was mosly quoting her banter with Sebastian, to show some points she brings up about him) and seemingly neutral Sebastian, assuming all of them are on friendship path with mage/pro-mage Hawke. There was a lot of banter-quoting going around. I remember I mostly focused on difference between Fenris' and Sebastian's actions/words/attitude. The point is, it was awesome and actually helped me realise why I'm not biggest Sebastian fan (and why Fenris grew on me so much). Rival Carver is great as well.
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Post by Catilina on May 3, 2017 19:21:44 GMT
That's simple: all companions are loyal, if Hawke loyal too. These are friends, and this mutual. And all companions loyal to themselves. If Hawke betrays them, or do not care about them... they will follow their own way. (Okay, except Sebastian, but at this moment he just very angry, somehow I can understand him. Alistair, just doesn't want to be executioner...) I like rival Carver, because my Hawkes mostly rather jerks, who more, who less. Hah, Sebastian. You brought up character that started it all And I agree that as long as Hawke is loyal to companions, they're going to be loyal as well. As for said discussion... It revolved around Aveline, Fenris (both which seem pro-templar, tho with Aveline it was mosly quoting her banter with Sebastian, to show some points she brings up about him) and seemingly neutral Sebastian, assuming all of them are on friendship path with mage/pro-mage Hawke. There was a lot of banter-quoting going around. I remember I mostly focused on difference between Fenris' and Sebastian's actions/words/attitude. The point is, it was awesome and actually helped me realise why I'm not biggest Sebastian fan (and why Fenris grew on me so much). Rival Carver is great as well.Easy to convince Aveline. She's a bit too lawful to my taste, but still a good friend (I don't like, that she requests advice from Anders, how she can catch the apostates, but I like, how she protects Isabela against Arishok). Fenris the most loyal companion, if Hawke helps him, and speaks with him sometimes. I like with him the friendship and rivalry path too. In romance as (pro-)mage rivalry is better. If Hawke doesn't care about him, he will follow his own way (fear), of course. But I love Fenris–Sebastian banter, when Fenris declared, that he wouldn't able to betray Hawke's friends. Sebastian? At the moment he's very annoying, but... he loved Elthina, just Alistair loved Duncan. But I hate, that he forced HAWKE to kill Anders, when Alistair able to executing Loghain with his own hand. But he know, what is the true Vengeance, and he show it in Inquisition. Not against Anders or Hawke: against Kirkwall. Just because he's not only righteous, but even so smart!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 13:56:14 GMT
That's simple: all companions are loyal, if Hawke loyal too. These are friends, and this mutual. And all companions loyal to themselves. If Hawke betrays them, or do not care about them... they will follow their own way. (Okay, except Sebastian, but at this moment he just very angry, somehow I can understand him. Alistair, just doesn't want to be executioner...) I like rival Carver, because my Hawkes mostly rather jerks, who more, who less. Hah, Sebastian. You brought up character that started it all And I agree that as long as Hawke is loyal to companions, they're going to be loyal as well. As for said discussion... It revolved around Aveline, Fenris (both which seem pro-templar, tho with Aveline it was mosly quoting her banter with Sebastian, to show some points she brings up about him) and seemingly neutral Sebastian, assuming all of them are on friendship path with mage/pro-mage Hawke. There was a lot of banter-quoting going around. I remember I mostly focused on difference between Fenris' and Sebastian's actions/words/attitude. The point is, it was awesome and actually helped me realise why I'm not biggest Sebastian fan (and why Fenris grew on me so much). Rival Carver is great as well.It's too bad Sebastian had less dev time because I think he's unique in companions in that he specifically has his own agenda completely independent of Hawke. Maybe that's because he was planned to have a larger involvement in the Exalted Marches DLC. But the rest of the companions revolve around Hawke, whereas Seb stands to one side walking his own path, just with input from Hawke. He's kind of like the tangential friend in a larger group of friends who does his own thing for the most part but sometimes hangs out. Maybe if this had been developed more he would be a more interesting character. As it is he feels clearly added on as DLC.
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Post by Rascoth on May 5, 2017 14:42:42 GMT
Hah, Sebastian. You brought up character that started it all And I agree that as long as Hawke is loyal to companions, they're going to be loyal as well. As for said discussion... It revolved around Aveline, Fenris (both which seem pro-templar, tho with Aveline it was mosly quoting her banter with Sebastian, to show some points she brings up about him) and seemingly neutral Sebastian, assuming all of them are on friendship path with mage/pro-mage Hawke. There was a lot of banter-quoting going around. I remember I mostly focused on difference between Fenris' and Sebastian's actions/words/attitude. The point is, it was awesome and actually helped me realise why I'm not biggest Sebastian fan (and why Fenris grew on me so much). Rival Carver is great as well.It's too bad Sebastian had less dev time because I think he's unique in companions in that he specifically has his own agenda completely independent of Hawke. Maybe that's because he was planned to have a larger involvement in the Exalted Marches DLC. But the rest of the companions revolve around Hawke, whereas Seb stands to one side walking his own path, just with input from Hawke. He's kind of like the tangential friend in a larger group of friends who does his own thing for the most part but sometimes hangs out. Maybe if this had been developed more he would be a more interesting character. As it is he feels clearly added on as DLC. Yeah, he suffered the same fate of DLC character as Kasumi and Zaeed from ME2. Even if they were well developed (Zaeed remains one of my fav characters from ME), their content was clearly lacking comparing to other companions. Javik and Shale were far better executed. He was indeed unique in that matter. The way they handled his acquaintanceship with Hawke was refreshing, though unfortunately it was overshadowed by how much I didn't like how friendship/rivalry worked in his case. I think the biggest mistake was him not becoming companion in Act 1. I can easily see him helping Hawke (especially if didn't ask for payment) after they helped him with assassins. Instead we see him dealing only with noble, with certain reputation, which could easily colour his view on Hawke (makes me think about "I thought I knew you, Hawke" line he says if you spare Anders). His bigger role in Exalted Match would be a given... if it ever saw the light of the day. I should stop getting salty whenever I think about Exalted March. But I can't, not after how they solved mage/templar conflict in DAI. I really, really don't like it.
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Post by Iddy on May 5, 2017 15:04:54 GMT
The thread's title would be a lot better without those "(You?) (And yours?)" bits. It's unnecessary, distracting and makes it look like a mess.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 15:23:18 GMT
It's too bad Sebastian had less dev time because I think he's unique in companions in that he specifically has his own agenda completely independent of Hawke. Maybe that's because he was planned to have a larger involvement in the Exalted Marches DLC. But the rest of the companions revolve around Hawke, whereas Seb stands to one side walking his own path, just with input from Hawke. He's kind of like the tangential friend in a larger group of friends who does his own thing for the most part but sometimes hangs out. Maybe if this had been developed more he would be a more interesting character. As it is he feels clearly added on as DLC. Yeah, he suffered the same fate of DLC character as Kasumi and Zaeed from ME2. Even if they were well developed (Zaeed remains one of my fav characters from ME), their content was clearly lacking comparing to other companions. Javik and Shale were far better executed. He was indeed unique in that matter. The way they handled his acquaintanceship with Hawke was refreshing, though unfortunately it was overshadowed by how much I didn't like how friendship/rivalry worked in his case. I think the biggest mistake was him not becoming companion in Act 1. I can easily see him helping Hawke (especially if didn't ask for payment) after they helped him with assassins. Instead we see him dealing only with noble, with certain reputation, which could easily colour his view on Hawke (makes me think about "I thought I knew you, Hawke" line he says if you spare Anders). His bigger role in Exalted Match would be a given... if it ever saw the light of the day. I should stop getting salty whenever I think about Exalted March. But I can't, not after how they solved mage/templar conflict in DAI. I really, really don't like it.I liked how his friendship/rivalry was theoretically about him taking different paths, though of course all illusion of choice fled when he vowed revenge at the end of the game no matter what. It would have been nice to at least have some difference in his end game dialogue if he was a friend or a rival. Like "I knew I shouldn't have trusted you" for rivalry versus his standard "I thought I knew you" which is more appropriate for friendship. I wonder if the game hadn't been rushed and he had been a full companion how that would have affected his character subplot. And if he's in Act I, I wonder if Carver/Bethany would have also found ways of being more apparent in Acts II and III or whether they were always intended to be removed for the majority of the game.
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Post by phoray on May 5, 2017 18:27:46 GMT
Hah, Sebastian. You brought up character that started it all And I agree that as long as Hawke is loyal to companions, they're going to be loyal as well. As for said discussion... It revolved around Aveline, Fenris (both which seem pro-templar, tho with Aveline it was mosly quoting her banter with Sebastian, to show some points she brings up about him) and seemingly neutral Sebastian, assuming all of them are on friendship path with mage/pro-mage Hawke. There was a lot of banter-quoting going around. I remember I mostly focused on difference between Fenris' and Sebastian's actions/words/attitude. The point is, it was awesome and actually helped me realise why I'm not biggest Sebastian fan (and why Fenris grew on me so much). Rival Carver is great as well.It's too bad Sebastian had less dev time because I think he's unique in companions in that he specifically has his own agenda completely independent of Hawke. Maybe that's because he was planned to have a larger involvement in the Exalted Marches DLC. But the rest of the companions revolve around Hawke, whereas Seb stands to one side walking his own path, just with input from Hawke. He's kind of like the tangential friend in a larger group of friends who does his own thing for the most part but sometimes hangs out. Maybe if this had been developed more he would be a more interesting character. As it is he feels clearly added on as DLC. He's goin g yo be in the new comic. Wonder if they'll round him out at all or make him just another cameo.
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Post by Rascoth on May 5, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
It's too bad Sebastian had less dev time because I think he's unique in companions in that he specifically has his own agenda completely independent of Hawke. Maybe that's because he was planned to have a larger involvement in the Exalted Marches DLC. But the rest of the companions revolve around Hawke, whereas Seb stands to one side walking his own path, just with input from Hawke. He's kind of like the tangential friend in a larger group of friends who does his own thing for the most part but sometimes hangs out. Maybe if this had been developed more he would be a more interesting character. As it is he feels clearly added on as DLC. He's goin g yo be in the new comic. Wonder if they'll round him out at all or make him just another cameo. I hope for something bigger, though I also hope it'll be more 'neutral' than Alistair's appearance in comics. Those who don't like him as king definitely had hard time reading it. Which reminds me I need to buy Omnibus... but World of Thedas is priority.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 19:10:23 GMT
It's too bad Sebastian had less dev time because I think he's unique in companions in that he specifically has his own agenda completely independent of Hawke. Maybe that's because he was planned to have a larger involvement in the Exalted Marches DLC. But the rest of the companions revolve around Hawke, whereas Seb stands to one side walking his own path, just with input from Hawke. He's kind of like the tangential friend in a larger group of friends who does his own thing for the most part but sometimes hangs out. Maybe if this had been developed more he would be a more interesting character. As it is he feels clearly added on as DLC. He's goin g yo be in the new comic. Wonder if they'll round him out at all or make him just another cameo. Oh really? Well maybe that will help provide some closure, then. I actually liked his war table appearances as I felt they were in character (rationality be damned, he was out for vengeance. Even if it was misplaced.) I wouldn't be surprised if he's a cameo, though. The comics to date have seemed like they really just focus on the core characters and all other characters are extremely peripheral. He's goin g yo be in the new comic. Wonder if they'll round him out at all or make him just another cameo. I hope for something bigger, though I also hope it'll be more 'neutral' than Alistair's appearance in comics. Those who don't like him as king definitely had hard time reading it. Which reminds me I need to buy Omnibus... but World of Thedas is priority.Isn't Sebastian's world state more defined than Alistair's? Alistair can be dead, drunk, Warden or king. Sebastian always goes to Starkhaven and either invades or occupies Kirkwall to provide relief. The major divergence for him is whether he is trying to rule the city as punishment for its "participation" in Elthina's death or whether he sees himself as a benevolent dictator to the besieged people. I feel like those two identities are easy enough to blur the lines, especially if he is only seen as a cameo.
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Post by Rascoth on May 5, 2017 19:21:17 GMT
I hope for something bigger, though I also hope it'll be more 'neutral' than Alistair's appearance in comics. Those who don't like him as king definitely had hard time reading it. Which reminds me I need to buy Omnibus... but World of Thedas is priority.Isn't Sebastian's world state more defined than Alistair's? Alistair can be dead, drunk, Warden or king. Sebastian always goes to Starkhaven and either invades or occupies Kirkwall to provide relief. The major divergence for him is whether he is trying to rule the city as punishment for its "participation" in Elthina's death or whether he sees himself as a benevolent dictator to the besieged people. I feel like those two identities are easy enough to blur the lines, especially if he is only seen as a cameo. It is more defined. That's why I hope for neutral appearance. With Alistair they had to choose one for it to make sense, I don't even fool myself (though I believe there're people who would prefer no appearance at all if character's story can have so many different outcomes). With Sebastian they just need to avoid mentioning his feelings toward Kirkwall/Hawke's actions. Doing so is not outside BW's capabilities
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 19:31:05 GMT
I think I got ahead of myself in my thinking: do we know that this is Kirkwall pre-Trespasser where Sebastian is still occupying it rather than Viscount Varric? I was assuming it was when Varric is already on the throne, so Sebastian would be there as a neighboring ruler rather than as the current ruler. Or else the comic would travel to Starkhaven after Kirkwall (I think I would rather this be the case).
tangent: was there ever much exposition on the transition of Kirkwall from Sebastian's rule to Varric? I believe that was breezed over in Trespasser, no?
My favorite part about the IMO lackluster Magekiller comic was seeing Minrathous more broadly than we can ever expect in a video game. I would love to see a reimagined Kirkwall and Starkhaven in this series.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 20:10:24 GMT
Thank you. So I wonder how Sebastian will play a role in the Free March politics? If I were to guess, he's either meeting Varric on diplomatic work or as I mentioned previously, Vaea and co. will go to Starkhaven.
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Post by Rascoth on May 6, 2017 8:08:55 GMT
Thank you. So I wonder how Sebastian will play a role in the Free March politics? If I were to guess, he's either meeting Varric on diplomatic work or as I mentioned previously, Vaea and co. will go to Starkhaven. From what I gathered from summaries of other issues, Vaea and co. will meet him while taking care of some Inquisition business. Which also really narrows the timeline for comic if they don't want to screw with anyone's game (right after Varric got his new job, but before Trespasser).
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 13:22:39 GMT
The best thing about DA2 for me is that you can actually make Hawke a bad guy. In origins and inquisition you can make evil choices but in the end you will always be remembered as a hero, but in DA2 your evil choices actually can make you some sort of a villian
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Post by Melcara on May 10, 2017 16:49:20 GMT
I heard tons of bad things about DA2 prior to playing it, and was surprised when it actually turned out to be a pretty amazing game. Considering that they had a year and a half of development time, what they did with it is pretty impressive. It's not my favorite DA game, but that's only because of how good Origins and Inquisition are.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 2:12:21 GMT
I wanted to toss in a praise to the DLCs. Both The Exiled Prince and Legacy really helps with making DA2 more complex and dividing my loyalties, so it's no longer a no-brainer whom to support and emphasize with. DA2 does a very good job of narrowly focusing on a small political and ideological conflict and a small group of strange individuals. It might not pass the best landscaping ever contest, but it tells a compelling story live-theatre style, rather looking like a blockbuster with millions spent on special effects. I guess, it what DA2 reminds me, the classic 19-20th plays.
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