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Post by Wildfire on Jan 21, 2017 18:15:07 GMT
If there isn't an ending you want, then just play and don't worry about metagaming. But if you end up like me and accidentally find out about some things that could happen and refuse to have them happen in your game, then that's a different story  The things I'm thinking of don't occur until after you've finished all the main quests in Velen, Novigrad, and Skellige, so you don't have to decide any time soon. I don't know what kind of endings I want because I'm so close to the start. The "issues" I'm aware of are thus. The Nilfgardiens empire expansionism reminds me of Orlais before their recent age of stable ish borders and one side of the Civil War Faction in Skyrim. It's unfortunate that Valen has been abandoned by both sides at the moment, so it's full of raping pillaging bandits. Either side taking responsibility would improve the situation. But the Nilfgardiens caused the death of Foltest and I liked that bugger for the whole half hour of watching on YouTube that I saw (even if he was incestuous?). I'm also Against Gaspard in DAI. As I recall from watching TW1 on YouTube, the entrenched racism against non humans is never going to budge. And I don't currently know if that's going to be a significant part of TW3 either. I don't know if the Nilfgardiens are being "nice" to the dwarf merchant and don't care that he's a dwarf or only care that he's useful and are just as racist as the Northern Kingdoms have been. But the Nilfgardiens also apparently illegalized Witchers and have been executing them. So, regardless of their maybe? Acceptance of non humans, as a Witcher I'm in danger by the Nilfgardiens taking over. Other issue is finding my ward. Which is apparently also a princess. Why a Princess was training with Witchers, I have no idea. Seems odd and dangerous choice. I don't super love Ciri as a player because I got one dream sequence tutorial with her. So, the emotional connection to this quest is tenuous. Not like Clementine where I spent 20+ hours with her as her parent fogure in TWD. The other matter on the table is the romance option. I currently like the Herbalist in White Orchard better than either Yennifer or Triss. So... I don't know. If I like neither I could go for that threesome that leaves me single. Or go for Yennifer just because she's not Triss. I like content, and I'm trying to make a true comparison to DAI, so I don't want to skip romance altogether. A lot of the things can seem a bit obscure in the game if you have not read the books nor played the games. Some quick explanations: Ciri ( female Hawke voice btw, at least it sounds like it a lot  ) played a huge role in the book series, and she is tied to Geralt by bonds of destiny. They've been separated and reunited many times during the years and Geralt is somewhat obsessed with her, because he wants to protect her and stuff (not that she really needs any protection, she's quite capable, but anyhow). She came to train with Witchers due to, well, complicated circumstances. She was the Child Surprise which Geralt claimed when he resolved a problem in the court of Ciri's parents (google it for more details). The emotional connection really kinda requires some background knowledge. Basically Geralt and Yennefer have become Ciri's foster parents. In the Witcher canon, Nilfgaardians represent the absolute evil in the eyes of the Northern Kingdoms. They have tried many times to conquer the North throughout the years, and they have been foiled, only just, twice in recent memory. And no, they don't care about nonhumans nor necessarily tolerate them - they've used nonhumans to spark unrest in the North to further their own goals. They are nothing like Orlais... Nor any Skyrim faction for that matter. They are just BAAAD and they've come to conquer. About the whole romance thing - I totally agree that both of them are irritating. Canonically, Geralt is tied to Yennefer because a djinn bound them together by some magical power, but Geralt and Triss have had random moments together in the past, which cannot be completely attributed to the memory loss (it's been happening even before the memory loss). But then again Geralt has had affairs with just about everyone so I guess that's not a good reference point either. So pick your poison. At least DAI Cullen romance was a delight compared to TW3 romances  It's nice to be with someone nice, you know... |
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jan 21, 2017 18:27:26 GMT
They aren't really "necessary" to the game and to the story. What they do do is add a tonne of new content (Heart of Stone = 10+ hours. Blood and Wine = 20+ hours and a nice little ending to Geralts story). Heart of Stone brings back a character you have actually already met which is nice. That whole story goes to some weird places, it's brilliant. Blood and Wine should be completed after the main game ends because it feels like a nice end to Geralts story. Brings back a character I already met from TW1 or TW2? Because if it's that, I can skip, I never played either of those games. Is Blood and Wine to Witcher like Trespasser was to DAI? From White Orchard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 19:06:04 GMT
Heh, my list is me3 x2, full MET run for Garrus, Andromeda and DA2. Plus, lots and lots of MP. So, yeah 2 or so years.... I was also curious about tides of numenoria and pillars of... and the cyberpunk 2077. And, that witches thing since everyone is in uproar how good it is. Undecided on it and Inquisition. For Garrus? I watched ME3 romance of Garus on youtube and I couldn't get past the...pincers and the space suit he still wears in his sex scenes. I'm thinking of doing a Text Only Let's play for ME3 like I did for Witcher 3 because I hated ME1 and thought I'd hate TW3. For the latter, I guess I technically don't know yet. :P MP means multiplayer, right? pillars of? "withches" thing? Pillars of Eternity. One of the indie projects post-Obsidian crew is up to. I liked the romances i am doing in the first 2 play through s, but Garrus is a great character, and the whole womanhood seem to be crazy about it, so I wanted to see if i like it. But if I get bored, I probably just play from ME2 for it, skipping the first, since it is a bit archaic. |
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 21, 2017 21:32:52 GMT
Wildfire yes, Jo Wyatt voiced both female Hawke and Ciri. phoray the only ending I cared to metagame with was concerning Geralt and Ciri's fates. For the rest, I just did what sounded interesting at the time. Once you start the Novigrad quest line, Geralt will get to talk to a dreamer (I think she was called) and has the opportunity to tell the dreamer about him and Ciri, so you can learn more about their past then, if you'd rather not Google it. I hope you will get to like Ciri more as you see more of her. I think she, Geralt, and Yen make a cute --if unusual-- little family, but that's just me.
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Post by Blast Processor on Jan 22, 2017 0:36:07 GMT
The holy grail? Of course not. Bioware's games do a few things better than TW, among them character expression through dialogue and game-spanning continuity. The problem, however, is that the latter is often cosmetic. As I've said about the MET a few years back: the narrative impact of decisions made in earlier games is inversely proportional to their importance. While there are many decisions recognized in later games, the *big* ones usually get a line or two in dialogue, but don't result in any real divergence. So I don't feel TW games are very different to Bioware games in that regard. [ Have seen the way people praise the game? Please, everybody knows System Shock 2 is the Holy Grail. |
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Post by phoray on Jan 22, 2017 0:47:07 GMT
The first game had three paths and one of them was the Neutral path. The second game seems to drop this idea, but then again, you're working directly for a king for part of it. Is there a neutral path for TW3? Also, it's not that I'm Against googling I just...Guess I want the knowledge of having played the first two games without actually doing so but I have looked up some summaries on the first 2. I don't want to Spoiler TW3. The second I start googling is the second I read a major spoil by mistake. I'm kinda twitchy to get back to the game. Literally left it mid Werewolf investigation and I really want to see if my hunch about Hannah's sister was right. |
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 22, 2017 4:25:00 GMT
The first game had three paths and one of them was the Neutral path. The second game seems to drop this idea, but then again, you're working directly for a king for part of it. Is there a neutral path for TW3? Also, it's not that I'm Against googling I just...Guess I want the knowledge of having played the first two games without actually doing so but I have looked up some summaries on the first 2. I don't want to Spoiler TW3. The second I start googling is the second I read a major spoil by mistake.I'm kinda twitchy to get back to the game. Literally left it mid Werewolf investigation and I really want to see if my hunch about Hannah's sister was right. I understand that completely *glares at ME2* You will learn more about Ciri and some of the other backstory as the game progresses, never fear  Go play! |
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jan 22, 2017 6:15:04 GMT
The beginning of how Geralt and Ciri meet for the first time isn't really explained in the game, to my recollection. Taken from the books. Geralt invoked the Law of Surprise when he helped Duny (Emhyr) with his curse. Duny and Queen Calanthe's daughter, Pavetta were in love but Duny was cursed to appear as a beast at night. Geralt helps out with the curse and Duny and Pavetta get married. As payment, Geralt invokes the Law of Surprise which means that Geralt will take what is waiting for him (Duny) but that which he does not know he has (something like that). Pavetta was pregnant and had not yet told Duny, thereby making that the payment to Geralt.
Eventually, Duny and Pavetta supposedly get lost at sea. This was actually planned by Duny (Emhyr) who was attempting to go home to Nilfgaard to take his place as Emperor. During the trip, he pushes Pavetta overboard and she is killed. Ciri however, was left behind with Queen Calanthe.
Years later, Geralt returns to claim the child but he only meets Calanthe, never actually meeting her or learning her name.
Then, later on, Ciri gets lost in a forest that Geralt happens to be close by too. The people Ciri was with were attacked by Dryads and she was kidnapped, to be made into a Dryad. Geralt wasn't going to let that happen, learning that this child was actually a Princess. This would have brought about war and fighting if they harmed Ciri. When Geralt finds Ciri and begins leading her home, they begin to chat. They get to know each other. They spark up a connection. During this, Ciri chooses Geralt, wishing to stay with him. They meet up with a druid (you will meet this druid eventually) who informs Geralt of who she is. Geralt doesn't leave with her to Kaer Morhen, instead letting her return to her home (mostly because she is a girl and could not survive the trial of the grasses, but also because he doesn't want to - he likes to defy destiny).
Then, Ciri's home gets attacked by Nilfgaard. Queen Calanthe is killed and Ciri escapes. She wonders until she eventually gets picked up by a merchants wife, who adopts her. She always wanted a daughter. Meanwhile, the merchant is being attacked by monsters and Geralt steps in to help. As payment, he invokes the Law of Surprise, and travels with the merchant back to his home where he reunites with Ciri. Loving moment happens. Geralt accepts his destiny and leaves with Ciri. Tried to sum it all up. I'm afraid I haven't done it justice though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 8:59:04 GMT
Please no spoilers FOR ME. But I'll be sharing my thoughts so spoilers for anyone else who hasn't played. Heard good things, but have been turned off by male protagonist collecting sex cards and complicated craft system. Been reading the Witcher 3 vs Dragon Age thread. I dunno. I guess I feel like I can't debate the greatness of Dragon Age with little to compare the game to. I've play each game of Dragon Age 3x and have 12 more planned PTs. It always seems like the Witcher is the most often game chosen to compare Dragon Age to. My roommate has a copy and a PS4 he's not using. So, money can't be an excuse. So, going to put my thoughts, pretty unedited, in this thread as I go. I like it when people new to Dragon Age do that. Edit add: 1. definitely playing on the PS4, not PC. 2. I watched the scenes of The Witcher 1 on YouTube 7 months back, so not totally having zero clue. Just very little clue. 3. Try not to spoil the story of this game, cuz it is my first play, but if It's Witcher 1 and 2 story I should technically know as Geralt in game 3, have at it. In a way i'm like you i do not like a male protagonist either but i just cannot imagine that you would not like or even love this game. For me there is only one thing about Geralt that i don't like and that his 'English' voice. And i know i can change that but then i have to use subtitles and i just hate using subtitles. But yeah that's about it the rest of the game i can describe in just one word and that's WOW!. The story the gameplay the graphics and the rest ( except his voice haha ) is just something you HAVE! to figure out for yourself and just buy and play this game you will not regret it.  |
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 22, 2017 12:14:25 GMT
And to be honest why should I have to admit that The Witcher 3 did open world better when it's really subjective? I don't think it's subjective in this specific case. The sidequests all feature full dialogue scenes, for instance. There are very few fetch quests. There are more modes of movement. Riding a horse is actually enjoyable AND useful. The cities have many more people, and those people are brought to life much more dynamically than in DAI, to the point that they complain when you bump them in the streets, and you actually get by rather than running into an implausibly immobile character. There are children who play and talk, but not in the night, and people who talk about everyday stuff as you walk by. The world is so much more alive. |
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 22, 2017 12:21:40 GMT
Is there a neutral path for TW3? Since you asked, here's a non-spoilery hint: you may be unsure about which faction you want to win, but given your already expressed preferences, not too far in the future you will know which political faction you definitely want to lose, and lose decisively. |
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Post by phoray on Jan 22, 2017 14:36:37 GMT
The beginning of how Geralt and Ciri meet for the first time isn't really explained in the game, to my recollection. Taken from the books. Geralt invoked the Law of Surprise when he helped Duny (Emhyr) with his curse. Duny and Queen Calanthe's daughter, Pavetta were in love but Duny was cursed to appear as a beast at night. Geralt helps out with the curse and Duny and Pavetta get married. As payment, Geralt invokes the Law of Surprise which means that Geralt will take what is waiting for him (Duny) but that which he does not know he has (something like that). Pavetta was pregnant and had not yet told Duny, thereby making that the payment to Geralt.
Eventually, Duny and Pavetta supposedly get lost at sea. This was actually planned by Duny (Emhyr) who was attempting to go home to Nilfgaard to take his place as Emperor. During the trip, he pushes Pavetta overboard and she is killed. Ciri however, was left behind with Queen Calanthe.
Years later, Geralt returns to claim the child but he only meets Calanthe, never actually meeting her or learning her name.
Then, later on, Ciri gets lost in a forest that Geralt happens to be close by too. The people Ciri was with were attacked by Dryads and she was kidnapped, to be made into a Dryad. Geralt wasn't going to let that happen, learning that this child was actually a Princess. This would have brought about war and fighting if they harmed Ciri. When Geralt finds Ciri and begins leading her home, they begin to chat. They get to know each other. They spark up a connection. During this, Ciri chooses Geralt, wishing to stay with him. They meet up with a druid (you will meet this druid eventually) who informs Geralt of who she is. Geralt doesn't leave with her to Kaer Morhen, instead letting her return to her home (mostly because she is a girl and could not survive the trial of the grasses, but also because he doesn't want to - he likes to defy destiny).
Then, Ciri's home gets attacked by Nilfgaard. Queen Calanthe is killed and Ciri escapes. She wonders until she eventually gets picked up by a merchants wife, who adopts her. She always wanted a daughter. Meanwhile, the merchant is being attacked by monsters and Geralt steps in to help. As payment, he invokes the Law of Surprise, and travels with the merchant back to his home where he reunites with Ciri. Loving moment happens. Geralt accepts his destiny and leaves with Ciri. Tried to sum it all up. I'm afraid I haven't done it justice though. You'd think he'd stop invoking the Law of Surprise after the first time got him a child. |
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jan 22, 2017 15:06:21 GMT
It's how Witchers get children to make more Witchers. It's kind of a trick too. It makes people think that their child is destined for something great.
In the case of Ciri, that's destiny, no two ways to put it.
I don't believe any Witcher school produces Witchers anymore. The last remaining Witchers are the last, ever. There won't be any more.
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Post by phoray on Jan 22, 2017 15:11:11 GMT
It's how Witchers get children to make more Witchers. It's kind of a trick too. It makes people think that their child is destined for something great. In the case of Ciri, that's destiny, no two ways to put it. I don't believe any Witcher school produces Witchers anymore. The last remaining Witchers are the last, ever. There won't be any more. Are the Sorceresses dying out too? Witcher's dying out is sad. Not like the humans are any good at hunting monsters and the monsters aren't dying out. In other news, I read info about Witcher 2, because I was confused about when Geralt starts getting his memories back. Kinda feel like I should do the Yennifer romance because Geralt was obviously in love with her to sell his own life for her even if I feel a bit meh about her myself. |
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 22, 2017 16:34:13 GMT
Are the Sorceresses dying out too? Witcher's dying out is sad. Not like the humans are any good at hunting monsters and the monsters aren't dying out. In other news, I read info about Witcher 2, because I was confused about when Geralt starts getting his memories back. Kinda feel like I should do the Yennifer romance because Geralt was obviously in love with her to sell his own life for her even if I feel a bit meh about her myself. As far as I know, magic schools still exist and women with magical talents are still being born. Men too, but they don't reach the level of aptitude that women do. The slowly dying out of the Witchers has been a theme since the first game, where the knight Siegfried of Denesle tells Geralt that knightly orders hunt down monsters now and Witchers are becoming the relics of a bygone age. Yennefer is very opinionated, but she has her moments. She can be a companion for a few quests later. |
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jan 22, 2017 16:54:38 GMT
Yennefer is the right choice #opinion.
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Post by correctamundo on Jan 22, 2017 17:50:50 GMT
Yennefer is the right choice #opinion. Nah, Shani is the right choice . |
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Post by phoray on Jan 22, 2017 18:02:00 GMT
Yennefer is the right choice #opinion. Nah, Shani is the right choice . I thought Shiani was TW1 LI and a tW3 DLC sex partner. But not a TW3 LI? |
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jan 22, 2017 18:02:27 GMT
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Post by smilesja on Jan 22, 2017 18:10:48 GMT
And to be honest why should I have to admit that The Witcher 3 did open world better when it's really subjective? I don't think it's subjective in this specific case. The sidequests all feature full dialogue scenes, for instance. There are very few fetch quests. There are more modes of movement. Riding a horse is actually enjoyable AND useful. The cities have many more people, and those people are brought to life much more dynamically than in DAI, to the point that they complain when you bump them in the streets, and you actually get by rather than running into an implausibly immobile character. There are children who play and talk, but not in the night, and people who talk about everyday stuff as you walk by. The world is so much more alive. Again that is your opinion and you experience others feel differently. Anyway I don't feel like having a fan war in this thread where someone is having their own experience in this thread |
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Post by correctamundo on Jan 22, 2017 19:56:58 GMT
Nah, Shani is the right choice . I thought Shiani was TW1 LI and a tW3 DLC sex partner. But not a TW3 LI? That's correct. BUT the way I played out TW1 Geralt's feelings for Shani is still there. He breaks off because he can't give her what she want's. - It was not for you Geralt, hearth and home. - To kill and be "king" (i.e. famous) is that all? - Perhaps not even that. So he dallies with sorceressess but it's not love.  |
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 22, 2017 20:35:48 GMT
Are the Sorceresses dying out too? Witcher's dying out is sad. Not like the humans are any good at hunting monsters and the monsters aren't dying out. In other news, I read info about Witcher 2, because I was confused about when Geralt starts getting his memories back. Kinda feel like I should do the Yennifer romance because Geralt was obviously in love with her to sell his own life for her even if I feel a bit meh about her myself. As far as I know, magic schools still exist and women with magical talents are still being born. Men too, but they don't reach the level of aptitude that women do. The slowly dying out of the Witchers has been a theme since the first game, where the knight Siegfried of Denesle tells Geralt that knightly orders hunt down monsters now and Witchers are becoming the relics of a bygone age. Yennefer is very opinionated, but she has her moments. She can be a companion for a few quests later.They remind me of an old married couple in those quests. phoray you can see what you think of her then. |
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Post by phoray on Jan 22, 2017 20:36:43 GMT
I thought Shiani was TW1 LI and a tW3 DLC sex partner. But not a TW3 LI? That's correct. BUT the way I played out TW1 Geralt's feelings for Shani is still there. He breaks off because he can't give her what she want's. - It was not for you Geralt, hearth and home. - To kill and be "king" (i.e. famous) is that all? - Perhaps not even that. So he dallies with sorceressess but it's not love. I recall her from my watching of YouTube to be a character that really did want him to settle down and always thought she was being pretty unrealistic. But at least she didn't abuse Alvin (as much good as it did apparently.) Her voice actor could get pretty shrill. But your head canon is interesting. She's in the hearth and home DLC right? When would you time that DLC ? |
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 22, 2017 21:20:07 GMT
That's correct. BUT the way I played out TW1 Geralt's feelings for Shani is still there. He breaks off because he can't give her what she want's. - It was not for you Geralt, hearth and home. - To kill and be "king" (i.e. famous) is that all? - Perhaps not even that. So he dallies with sorceressess but it's not love. I recall her from my watching of YouTube to be a character that really did want him to settle down and always thought she was being pretty unrealistic. But at least she didn't abuse Alvin (as much good as it did apparently.) Her voice actor could get pretty shrill. But your head canon is interesting. She's in the hearth and home DLC right? When would you time that DLC ? Heart of Stone, actually. Recommended level is 32 and up, and I wouldn't do it any earlier since it's rather difficult. I played Geralt as tending towards the exotic and nontraditional (he really has a thing for sorceresses) so Shani was never an option in TW1, but she's pretty nice in HoS. I'm not sure if her scenes are open to the interpretation of a continued romance headcanon since I never attempted it, but they may be. |
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 22, 2017 21:23:26 GMT
They remind me of an old married couple in those quests. phoray you can see what you think of her then. Well, given the lifespans of Witchers and Sorceresses... The difference is also that there's no such thing as an approval mechanic. Geralt can disagree and argue with her, it won't break the romance, there's just a special moment where he decides who he wants to be with. It's a romance between people who have known each other for many years, unlike pretty much all BioWare romances. Not saying one or the other is better. |
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The things I'm thinking of don't occur until after you've finished all the main quests in Velen, Novigrad, and Skellige, so you don't have to decide any time soon.
) played a huge role in the book series, and she is tied to Geralt by bonds of destiny. They've been separated and reunited many times during the years and Geralt is somewhat obsessed with her, because he wants to protect her and stuff (not that she really needs any protection, she's quite capable, but anyhow). She came to train with Witchers due to, well, complicated circumstances. She was the Child Surprise which Geralt claimed when he resolved a problem in the court of Ciri's parents (google it for more details). The emotional connection really kinda requires some background knowledge. Basically Geralt and Yennefer have become Ciri's foster parents.
It's nice to be with someone nice, you know...
Its never too late. LOL. 
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