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Post by smilesja on Jan 24, 2017 2:27:29 GMT
Well I think this example Phoray showed was one of the annoyances I had with the game. Just darkness for the sake of darkness. The Witcher world is dark and sad, you don't know who to trust. Have to decide what is moral for a witcher and for that time period and world. The companions, Geralt's humor and the lighter quests balance it out. It makes good roleplaying, I kept asking myself what would I do then what will Geralt do. The companions, Geralt's humor and the lighter quests balance it out the darkness - most of the time.
Much different from DA or ME where there is much more light than darkness. As much as I love The Witcher series, I keep going back to BioWare.
I understand that and there are some consequences I did not forsee that I liked (will not spoil). But quests like these make me believe that they are forcing the issue.
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 2:32:43 GMT
Ea some more. Find another horse drawing. Something happens. Witcher sense. Grab some more muchrooms. This feels like Inquisition, the first time, all over again, where I'm gathering resources with no knowledge of what I'm going to do with them. Go up. Neat! That ledge I thought I'd be able to jump to actually had a point. Ya know, I think I'm with Geralt. All this portal business can get one killed. A golem! Haha for some reason I expected stone. that loot was lame. But I have managed to start using dodge roll. I am not seeing the usefulness of yrden
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Post by smilesja on Jan 24, 2017 2:34:09 GMT
Jumping in this game is so cool! (And that's my random thought of the day! XD)
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 24, 2017 2:42:38 GMT
This is what my quest page says. " it turned out the woods did not hide "a Shaggy fuck knows what" as the captain of the Guard put it, but a band of Scoia'tael. They were the ones attacking the transports. Though The Witcher codex would recommend charting a neutral course in such a situation, Geralt sailed according to his own moral compass. His needle pointed decidedly towards the elves' much deserved death." Wah, that's totally what I was thinking- not. Ignoring murdering Squirrel Elves was the NEUTRAL path? How is that neutral?! Ok, having just played it, that is the neutral path because Geralt opts not to get involved between two "political" factions. Find a horse drawing... Find a dog drawing. It explodes! I die. Reload. Finds a squid drawing and I fight my clone. Sigh. Doesn't find any other drawings. Ises internet to Figure out how to use a torch. Success! I am a torch weilder. I go looking down the hall. No good. Well...Maybe touching the dog drawing is required. I put my shield on, touch it, dodge away before it can explode and it damages me anyway. Even though I'm like ten feet away. okay. but I don't die this time. Round round round round. Can I get up that cliff? No? Well. All that leaves is jumping into this dark hole. I'll probably die. Better save. Jumps onto ledge. Geranimoooooooo! Splash into a pool of water. I laugh. I usually get super irritated by being lost and puzzles but I guess these are just right on the line for me. My torch doesn't work, obviously cuz I'm swimming. Back to the witcher senses. Loot a sword. Look round. Ah! The horse drawing. Baaahahahaha! I hated that quest. There was one drawing that I ended up going to YouTube to help me find, because I just couldn't figure out where the damn thing was my first time through. Good luck
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Post by smilesja on Jan 24, 2017 2:46:25 GMT
Witchers don't get involved in politics. The Witcher 2 demonstrates why.
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 2:52:05 GMT
Wow, Kiera is using this giant barrier to get us through this ice magic. I like this complicated functional magical scenario a lot.
Edit add: by the way, so much for realism? If I can repair my sword DURING battle?
Argh why the exploding--- oh. They did tell me the pisionous gas was flammable didn't they
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Post by smilesja on Jan 24, 2017 3:03:02 GMT
Ahhh Keira, spoiled brat of a sorceress.
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 3:18:13 GMT
Riiight. Kiera had a a massive book on the very topic that would come up in her back pocket. Totally believable. Haha.
I feel like Kiera is coming onto me. Fainting trope sigh.
And then she also had a huge medal medallion in the same pocket. And came onto me some more. Why even. Curious about what Triss and Yennifer like so much, Miss Sorceress? Want to "ride the Bull"?
Ugh a riddle. I'll just run around lighting them up an see f I accidentally get it.... 5 wraiths later I did.
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 3:40:40 GMT
??? I help her get a magical lamp, she never tells me what it does. Great. I'm sure it'll kill millions or something. Okay. Boat in front of me. How does this thing work? Ah... Neat! Oh, this is picturesque, boat on a river with moonlight up above So AI ride boat to Kiera's place, or pretty close. The quest is called an Invite so I think it's one for smexy time. I figure may as well... And then gives me a wiji lamp (look at that, it hasn't killed millions!....Yet) and a magical phone. Huh. Guess there is more to do before she finishes throwing herself at me. At this point I'm feeling a bit listless; haven't flirted with anyone in a way I recognize for 18 hours of game play (thinking of Cullen's awkward grin). so I'm calling it a night.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 24, 2017 4:17:36 GMT
How far off of you from Novigrad?
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Post by Babar Guy on Jan 24, 2017 5:29:58 GMT
I am not seeing the usefulness of yrden Crowd control. It makes groups of Wraiths a cakewalk. Also with upgrades you can get the regular version to have a DOT effect so everything constantly takes damage while being slowed, and the alternate sign mode makes you drop something akin to a magical turret that damages enemies and knocks them back with magical blasts while blocking any and all missiles as long as you position yourself so that it's between you and any archers.
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 13:37:36 GMT
How far off of you from Novigrad? I'm level 6, I'm in Valen, and talking to Kiera was part of finding Ciri. It just seemed to turn into more because Kiera is a needy sorceress. But even if I ignore her magical lamp quest, I have to go track down some witches in a bog and talk to the Baron before I get my next big clue about where to go. So, no idea, does that info tell you?
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 24, 2017 14:05:55 GMT
How far off of you from Novigrad? I'm level 6, I'm in Valen, and talking to Kiera was part of finding Ciri. It just seemed to turn into more because Kiera is a needy sorceress. But even if I ignore her magical lamp quest, I have to go track down some witches in a bog and talk to the Baron before I get my next big clue about where to go. So, no idea, does that info tell you? Hmm, maybe two hours or so... you'll need that magical lantern of hers later, it's in fact quite useful and a tool for some quests later. Maybe more than two hours. That Baron business takes a bit. But you finally get access to a good merchant and craftsman! Also, this thread made me start a NG+ game at Death March difficulty. First frigging bandit that hit me with an axe took off 50% of my HP. Clearly, my crap needs an upgrade.
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 14:18:38 GMT
GileadanShe already gave me the lantern with no intentions of taking it back. I think she'd prefer me to do her quest and return her magic phone though. she made out that it was a rare magical item. What do you mean by good? Cheaper? capable of doing more? I've explored a lot of stuff and gotten a lot of schematics. Is there tiers of materals? or does a schematic only make one kind of thing? right now, my shirt is 50 defense, 18 defence pants, 14 defense gloves that look stupid (like boxing gloves) and I think 13 defense shoes. My axe does 35-55 and I dont' think I've found a new silver sword at all. I think it's the one I started with... See, this is why I wanted to do a Text Only Let's play. A couple of newbies have shared splatters of their Dragon Age fun and it was enjoyable to see them go through a first time. ^^
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 24, 2017 14:38:34 GMT
phoray By good I mean that the lantern is part of a quest I really liked, and it is indeed capable of doing more - in its light, you can sometimes see... things... that even Geralt cannot spot otherwise. Wait, Keira sending you away with her magic phone - that's the quest that needs the lantern. There are materials that are harder to get than others, or that need to be crafted from other materials first (you'll see that you started with a ton of schematics already that basically exist to transform some materials into others, like silver ore into silver bars and so on, and you can use a craftsman's "Dismantle" option to salvage some components from an item), but generally, there are no item tiers unless they are specifically noted. Tiered items - usually alchemy products and special Witcher gear - have a prefix to show their tier, like "enhanced", "superior", "mastercrafted" and "legendary". An important note is that the schematics for tiered items almost always require the item of the previous tier as an ingredient, so keep gear in storage if you want to upgrade it later. For example, the Enhanced Viper Sword is a required ingredient for the Superior Viper Sword, and so on. Tiered items have their own schematic, so every schematic makes only one thing, yes. And there's a metric ton of them, plus alchemy formulae of various tiers. Early in the game, almost everything you find is probably an upgrade, but you'll eventually want to go for a certain type of armor - light, medium or heavy, depending on your fighting style and how much signs you use. Just keep poking around, there schematics all over the place.
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Post by Babar Guy on Jan 24, 2017 14:59:30 GMT
The schematics are only for a very specific thing, and there's no actual tiers of materials but the materials needed to craft whatever piece of gear you want are listed in the crafting window when you select the item you'd want. It lists the materials, how many are needed and how many you already have. I'd recommend eventually seeking out one of the Witcher set schematics, which include pieces for all armor slots, both a steel and silver sword (+ a crossbow for the Feline and Ursine sets). All of the Witcher gear sets also have 4 tiers of them (5 if playing Blood & Wine): basic, enhanced, superior, mastercrafted, (grandmaster). Once you've crafted the basic, let's say Wolf set that has a level requirement of 14, you can easily get by using that armor and the weapons until you're level 21, which is the requirement for being able to equip the enhanced Wolf set gear. You'll always need the previous version of these armor pieces/weapons as one of the materials to be able to craft the next, so you can't for instance just skip over the rest and just immediately craft mastercrafted Ursine gear. You need the basic ones first to craft the enhanced, the enhanced to craft the superior etc. If you haven't picked up something already just by playing, some merchants sell treasure maps that start a treasure hunt quest for the schematics. You basically don't need any other weapons or armor once you have the Witcher set you'd like to use, as long as you remember to get the schematics for and craft the upgraded versions as you level. I know for a fact that the basic Griffin set is quite easily obtainable and craftable while you're still in Velen, but it'll still be a while before you can get at even the base versions of the other sets. Not a spoiler, just to show you the visual progression of one of the gear sets (Wolf): *grandmaster not pictured
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 24, 2017 17:03:28 GMT
This is what my quest page says. " it turned out the woods did not hide "a Shaggy fuck knows what" as the captain of the Guard put it, but a band of Scoia'tael. They were the ones attacking the transports. Though The Witcher codex would recommend charting a neutral course in such a situation, Geralt sailed according to his own moral compass. His needle pointed decidedly towards the elves' much deserved death." Wah, that's totally what I was thinking- not. Ignoring murdering Squirrel Elves was the NEUTRAL path? How is that neutral?! The problem is that if Geralt reports it to the officer, he says they're going to execute a bunch of other people as retribution and Geralt seems to agree. I did the option of telling the Scoi'atael that I was "just out for a stroll," at which point they attacked, and then I just didn't tell the officer anything.
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 17:07:56 GMT
This is what my quest page says. " it turned out the woods did not hide "a Shaggy fuck knows what" as the captain of the Guard put it, but a band of Scoia'tael. They were the ones attacking the transports. Though The Witcher codex would recommend charting a neutral course in such a situation, Geralt sailed according to his own moral compass. His needle pointed decidedly towards the elves' much deserved death." Wah, that's totally what I was thinking- not. Ignoring murdering Squirrel Elves was the NEUTRAL path? How is that neutral?! The problem is that if Geralt reports it to the officer, he says they're going to execute a bunch of other people as retribution and Geralt seems to agree. I did the option of telling the Scoi'atael that I was "just out for a stroll," at which point they attacked, and then I just didn't tell the officer anything. I just had a different opinion of Witcher Neutrality. I thought the neutrality was more related to NOT picking sides and focusing on completion of contracts. So, if my contract is ambiguous about what kind of monster I might be killing, but I'm to FIX the problem nonetheless...it doesn't matter if it's a werewolf, a witch, or some Squirrel elves, a contract is a contract. THAT is what seems like neutrality to me. But apparently it means that if I find out the monster is part of an important political faction, I should turn my back on the contract and leave it unfinished. That seems...weird.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 24, 2017 17:09:27 GMT
I think I was buddies with the Scoia'tael in the end (I distinctly recall getting an extra merchant in their camp), told them to quit the raids and lied to the officer about some monster something something. EDIT I just had a different opinion of Witcher Neutrality. I thought the neutrality was more related to NOT picking sides and focusing on completion of contracts. So, if my contract is ambiguous about what kind of monster I might be killing, but I'm to FIX the problem nonetheless...it doesn't matter if it's a werewolf, a witch, or some Squirrel elves, a contract is a contract. THAT is what seems like neutrality to me. But apparently it means that if I find out the monster is part of an important political faction, I should turn my back on the contract and leave it unfinished. That seems...weird. I understand Witcher neutrality means that Witchers kill monsters, but not humans or dwarves or elves, yet one of the setting's recurring themes is that people are sometimes the greater monsters. That leaves it all a bit open to interpretation, and yours is a totally valid one. As Geralt once said about his two swords - "They're both for monsters".
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 17:23:15 GMT
So, I can't play again until maybe Thursday, or may even until Feb 4th. I'm a traveling medical person, so I have to drive to California and that takes a while. Then my first week of 10 hour work days...
But I've hit a disinterested patch as of this morning. I think the problem is the companions/romance I am so very used to after 12 PTs of Dragon Age.
at the start, I had my Witcher Mentor and I liked him okay. he talked about politics and Witcher stuff and I approve wholeheartedly of this method of getting into character and world by interacting with someone that is the same as you and seeing how they do what they do.
Then there was a bit of a gap with no companion but newness was there to fill the silence.
Kiera then becomes my battle companion and she's.. trying to get in my pants, albeit useful in battle, but that hurt her character. One, the flirting is very bad. "You're intriguing. Someday we may get intimate." "Oh my, I've fainted into your arms." Like, geez, how about I just bend you over in this damn cave and get it over with. Or maybe she sucked from the get go, her codex is "spoiled pampered ex-King's sorceress who made poor political choices and now grumpily helps local villagers." She's kind of whiney and, amusingly, Geralt even says so when he isn't giving her the "I'm going to screw you" eyes.
And I'm on the fence on whether I should just play as Geralt or play as me-as-geralt. I wouldn't screw Kiera for all of the above reasons but Geralt makes interested noises whether I want him to or not. I have no control over his dialogue at moments I consider important. So now I'm like... Should I sex Kiera because Geralt the Character would? Should I romance Yennifer because Geralt the Character sold his soul for her? Because I have no chance to have a personal-to-me relationship with anyone as far as I can tell.
On another note, I feel like I'm just chasing from one point to the next point... I miss having a home base where I can hang out. I guess this "constant chase" feeling is apt to the title "The Wild Hunt".
Geralt's clothes are ugly and now I have to learn how to schematic/craft to fix that.
Don't worry. I will make myself play the rest of TW3.
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 24, 2017 18:21:00 GMT
phoray I felt the same way in Velen the first time. It's so isolating, not having companions or a home to go to, and to have to just wander the wilderness on your own. I had to make myself play back then. It got so much better in Novigrad for me. You still won't have companions in the DA fashion, but Geralt does have some actual friends in Novigrad that he likes, which helped for me quite a bit. That's when the story started taking off for me too, when you find a certain one of those friends. As for the roleplay aspect, I decided I didn't care if womanizer Geralt was "canon." He is my character and that's not how I want to play him, so I didn't let him kiss or sleep with anyone other than Yen (who does love him...you can decide whether or not he returns those feelings). You will get to spend more time with both Triss and Yen individually later, so you don't have to make a big decision now. Just play him the way you want to. Oh, and for crafting, it's actually simpler than in DAI. Let us know when you get back to the game and we can help.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 24, 2017 21:09:57 GMT
But apparently it means that if I find out the monster is part of an important political faction, I should turn my back on the contract and leave it unfinished. That seems...weird. The distinction for me isn't between doing the contract and not doing it, but what (if anything) to tell the officer later. If my only options in talking to the officer are (a) lying, or ( giving him an excuse to start a pogrom against elves who had nothing do with the whole thing, I'd prefer not to tell him anything at all. It isn't OOC for Geralt to anticipate that the officer might overreact - he's seen racial strife between humans and elves break out in both of the previous games.
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Post by Wildfire on Jan 24, 2017 21:23:51 GMT
Kiera then becomes my battle companion and she's.. trying to get in my pants, albeit useful in battle, but that hurt her character. One, the flirting is very bad. "You're intriguing. Someday we may get intimate." "Oh my, I've fainted into your arms." Like, geez, how about I just bend you over in this damn cave and get it over with. Or maybe she sucked from the get go, her codex is "spoiled pampered ex-King's sorceress who made poor political choices and now grumpily helps local villagers." She's kind of whiney and, amusingly, Geralt even says so when he isn't giving her the "I'm going to screw you" eyes. And I'm on the fence on whether I should just play as Geralt or play as me-as-geralt. I wouldn't screw Kiera for all of the above reasons but Geralt makes interested noises whether I want him to or not. I have no control over his dialogue at moments I consider important. So now I'm like... Should I sex Kiera because Geralt the Character would? Should I romance Yennifer because Geralt the Character sold his soul for her? Because I have no chance to have a personal-to-me relationship with anyone as far as I can tell. On another note, I feel like I'm just chasing from one point to the next point... I miss having a home base where I can hang out. I guess this "constant chase" feeling is apt to the title "The Wild Hunt". Regarding the first paragraph: Yeah, the flirting and all the romantic stuff is so cringe-worthy. Especially compared to the good romances we've been treated to in DA2 and DAI. Looking to expand my experiences beyond Cullen in DAI, but his path was done really well. Didn't need whole lot of imagination to fill the gaps. Unfortunately, females in the Witcher universe are prone to cringy flirting... While Geralt is prone to those "wanna bang you" tones and gazes. Keira is kinda whiny but I actually symphatized with her a bit. Personally I'd marry her over Triss or Yennefer any day, lol. But tbh the characters are not so good. Ciri is great though (and not only because she has that voice ). When I played the game, my sole motivation was to find her - I guess I could understand what Geralt was going through. Second paragraph: This is actually one of the main contradictions of the game. Geralt is a predetermined character, and he has a "canonical" way to response to things, at least in theory. And yet you are burdened to make the choices. But I think you should just do whatever you want, because the canonical Geralt is annoying and kinda holier-than-thou in a Witchery way. And yeah he does get busy with basically everyone and that's just dumb. Being with Yennefer is canonical but you should just disregard all such concerns. It's more fun that way, because the canon is a bit depressing. Third paragraph: You've got it, right! Chasing shit around and hoping to find something. It's so different compared to DA. The best part of DAI is just roaming around in Skyhold and changing clothes. And in DA2 I loved to walk around the house and listen to what Hawke had to say about all the stuff. "Better keep Isabela's book on the top shelf. Wouldn't want to scar Sandal."
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire
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Post by Babar Guy on Jan 24, 2017 21:30:50 GMT
So, I can't play again until maybe Thursday, or may even until Feb 4th. I'm a traveling medical person, so I have to drive to California and that takes a while. Then my first week of 10 hour work days... But I've hit a disinterested patch as of this morning. I think the problem is the companions/romance I am so very used to after 12 PTs of Dragon Age. at the start, I had my Witcher Mentor and I liked him okay. he talked about politics and Witcher stuff and I approve wholeheartedly of this method of getting into character and world by interacting with someone that is the same as you and seeing how they do what they do. Then there was a bit of a gap with no companion but newness was there to fill the silence. Kiera then becomes my battle companion and she's.. trying to get in my pants, albeit useful in battle, but that hurt her character. One, the flirting is very bad. "You're intriguing. Someday we may get intimate." "Oh my, I've fainted into your arms." Like, geez, how about I just bend you over in this damn cave and get it over with. Or maybe she sucked from the get go, her codex is "spoiled pampered ex-King's sorceress who made poor political choices and now grumpily helps local villagers." She's kind of whiney and, amusingly, Geralt even says so when he isn't giving her the "I'm going to screw you" eyes. And I'm on the fence on whether I should just play as Geralt or play as me-as-geralt. I wouldn't screw Kiera for all of the above reasons but Geralt makes interested noises whether I want him to or not. I have no control over his dialogue at moments I consider important. So now I'm like... Should I sex Kiera because Geralt the Character would? Should I romance Yennifer because Geralt the Character sold his soul for her? Because I have no chance to have a personal-to-me relationship with anyone as far as I can tell. On another note, I feel like I'm just chasing from one point to the next point... I miss having a home base where I can hang out. I guess this "constant chase" feeling is apt to the title "The Wild Hunt". Geralt's clothes are ugly and now I have to learn how to schematic/craft to fix that. Don't worry. I will make myself play the rest of TW3. There may not be literal party members, but there's a pretty impressive list of memorable NPC's that you'll spend quite a bit of time with. You just need to advance the main quest lines more and you'll start coming across them. For instance, the Bloody Baron quest line introduces quite a few that have far, far more involved and interesting stories than just your random villager that's posted a notice about monster X terrorizing village Y. The titular Bloody Baron, for example is in my opinion one of the best characters in the game. A phase of the main quest more often than not also results in branching quest lines that might be technically optional, but provide a ton of the meat and flavor to the major NPC's involved. Once you get to Novigrad, almost everything you do will be heavily connected to Geralt's friends or other past acquaintances. There is also a lot more variety to the quests awaiting you, it's not just get contract -> use witcher senses to track monster to it's lair -> kill it and collect reward. Spoiler of an example of a type of quest you get in Novigrad: You get to produce and act in a play! Not to get too heavily into spoiler territory, but Kiera isn't even trying to be subtle in throwing herself at Geralt. Thinking her flirting is over the top and bad is pretty much the intended reaction if you ask me, and there's a reason for it. Oh, and once you eventually meet back up with Yen, you'll have plenty of dialogue and quests that will flesh out their relationship regardless of whether or not you choose to pursue her in a romantic sense. Now, as a thing I personally don't like all that much, you'll pretty much have to decide whether you want to romance Triss or Yennefer before you meet Yen again. So if you end up liking Triss (she's grown into quite a different character from who she was in 1 & 2, IMO) and going down her romance path, you'll be locked in before you have a chance to really compare the two. You could try to pursue the Triss romance and then also Yen once you get to Skellige, but there are...consequences for trying to have your cake and eat it too. Consequences that Geralt can't smooth talk his way out of. So basically the point at which you have to choose will be almost 100% based on whether or not you like specifically Triss enough to confirm that's who you want Geralt to end up together with before even meeting back up with Yen and doing most of the content where she takes center stage. If you're not a huge fan of Triss, then there's no problem. Just treat her as a friend and don't go out of your way to proclaim Geralt's undying love for her, wait for Yen. They both have their list of pros and cons, but both are quite genuine in their love for Geralt.
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August 2016
phoray
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Dragon Age The Veilguard
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Post by phoray on Jan 24, 2017 21:41:00 GMT
But apparently it means that if I find out the monster is part of an important political faction, I should turn my back on the contract and leave it unfinished. That seems...weird. The distinction for me isn't between doing the contract and not doing it, but what (if anything) to tell the officer later. If my only options in talking to the officer are (a) lying, or ( giving him an excuse to start a pogrom against elves who had nothing do with the whole thing, I'd prefer not to tell him anything at all. It isn't OOC for Geralt to anticipate that the officer might overreact - he's seen racial strife between humans and elves break out in both of the previous games. But I didn't know. From my POV, I'd taken care of the problem. They were dead. here's proof. And suddenly, he's going to take out his animosity about the Squirrel Elves on the city elves. I mean, I've learned my lesson now. I won't implicate anyone in the future if they're part of a faction. It just seemed like the matter was settled and they punched me in the face for "getting it wrong".
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