Dialogue Mechanics thread

On one hand, I agree that nobody is purely black or white, and your reasoning for choosing whatever option is your own. On the other hand, I think the special options were more of a "reputation option" meaning that if you hadn't have had such a strong reputation one way or the other, that option simply would not have worked.

Supposedly they're going to do just that in Andromeda.

See the top item of the top post in this thread: bsn.boards.net/thread/91/all-information-e3

They could be always enabled but only successful based on in game elements such as decisions/attributes/skills

It would be nice if there weren't any kind of hint about which one was the "good" or "evil" choice.

Hope bioware follows with their plan about the paragon/renegade system.

Interesting, I just finished a playthrough with a full total reputation bar (I did everything.. it was full) and renegade a good chunk above the last "checkpoint" on the reputation bar. Yet I was unable to persuade TIM to shoot himself. In fact, even though I limit myself to one reputation normally (because of persuade checks) and do almost everything I can I was never able to not fail the persuade check.

Yes I'm glad that it seems like they are throwing renegade and paragon out the airlock.. to hell with them.

You are a bit late to the party, OP. They are already dropping it.
I'll miss these icons though. Gotta build a temple with them and Shepard mosaic. It'll be very tasteful.

Remove, no, revamp yes. And there should be 3 distinct "personality" types. P/R where oft just silly. Mister nice guy/gal or complete douche bag with no real consequences for either. Each should pose clear advantages situation to situation with potential long term ramifications. For a 3rd option I'd like a humorous Hawke worked into the system. Some of the most fun playthroughs I've had were playing a more sarcastic, humor-based role.

I'm hoping they introduce some variation on Dragon Age II's 'personality' system--it remains my favourite implementation of the whole 'dialogue wheel' concept. You got more roleplaying latitude than was really possible with P/R, and the middle options weren't basically pointless. Oh, and I loved the way your 'dominant' personality choice would influence your ambient dialogue--though, that said, I'd also love them to nick and expand upon DA: I's 'join in with companion banter' in-world dialogue wheel thingy.

Combine all that with some dialogue-based skill-check stuff - like the Engineer interrupt in Omega, and the old Charm/Intimidate stuff from ME1 (but without the link to morality) - and an actual reputation system - say, you've pissed off the Ark's C-Sec equivalent in the past, so they're less likely to want to help you now, and so on - and you've pretty much put together my ideal dialogue wheel.

Failing that, I'd at least like the option to see exactly what my character's going to say before she says it; I've never quite gotten to grips with the paraphrases. Or, at least, give us slightly more involved paraphrases, with some obvious means of determining tone--that is, sarcastic, angry and so on (this is another area where DA2's personality system really shone).

Finally, here's a quote from the big leak:
So, whatever else they're doing, it sounds like the interrupt system's back, and substantially expanded. I'm curious about how they'll adapt it to work without the Paragon/Renegade divide.

The Mass Effect approach to morality with this white knight / jerkass system has always been a bit awkward. Renegade in particular was all over the place. Remove? Maybe. Rework? As others have said , definitely.

I see what they were trying to do in DA:I, but it didn't quite work out. If they could get a DA:I-like system to work, that would be ideal. Definitely appreciated the wider range of dialogue choices / emotion. tbh I think DA2 was one of their best games for RP elements - love or hate it. Overall, Dragon Age has always had a better approach to dialogue from a 'RPG' perspective. Spectrum is definitely better than a sliding scale.

Then again, Mass Effect has it's own style, too. It doesn't need to adopt the DA approach to be good, necessarily, it just needs more flexibility.

Seeing as they're shooting for dismissing the color scheme, if i've read the previous news about this correctly, i wouldn't mind if this meant simply more choices without the distinct "this is good" / "this is bad, bad" labels. I recall they aren't completely getting rid of the labels since they're doing interrupts… unless of course the interrupts are simply that and which one you choose determines how your reputation fairs.

It'll be interesting to see how this works out.

I agree with others here that maybe they need to be revamped or tweaked. I liked making those last minute decisions and for the most part i choose the Paragon route. I also agree that the decisions you make shouldn't be black and white.....make a decision and own it...

Not sure if this has been posted or if snyone mentioned this already but Mass Effect Andromeda wont be including the Paragon and Renegade system nor will it include the interruptions. Its supposed to be something else that is taking it place. However they said the replacement will be something better. It will include a "shades of grey" system where things wont just be black and white with the Good and Bad morality system. Instead there will be inbetweens which will give us more of a sense of choice. 

I remember in Mass Effect 2 it was like you either had to be all renegade or all paragon. You couldnt really be both in one playthrough because it was a point system that opened up dialogue choices and if you didnt have enough points you couldnt solved certain conflicts. So that kind of forced people to feel like they had to stick to either para or rene even if you didnt really want to pick something else. So maybe this is a good thing

Source
www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-andromeda-moving-away-from-the-paragonrenegade-system-for-shades-of-grey/