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Post by fadburger on May 15, 2017 20:48:24 GMT
I also know that thing's always got my six...since I'm the one who puts it there and it doesn't run around lol I also very much love my Remnant VI because it'll catch things before I do when somethings trying to flank me! Those 2 things are always with me, so it's only the 3rd skill slot that's actually a variable lol (right now it's lance, previously it was flamethrower). I have put points into both the turret and the remnant VI, but I have to admit I don't think I've used either even once in my playthrough... in fact I don't think I've ever switched profiles. I'm a simple gamer, I've upgraded combat abilities pretty much exclusively in my first game, and tbh I've never felt the need to switch to anything other than pure lead lol. It's another missed opportunity on part of the game I think, if they've made it really useful to switch it would have made the gameplay a bit more dynamic. Maybe it works that way on higher difficulties? On normal it always seemed like a waste of time to change anything and wait for your powers to recharge when you could have been done with the encounter already by just gunning everything down. I'll try those other abilities out when they release the DLC tho... (hint hint, BW) Completely OT, but I'll be off to the Canary Islands for a week at the end of May and I'm already stressing out over that cause it's an over 5 hours long flight and I'm terrified of flying lol. In other words, obviously I'm going to die, if anyone wants my PS4 let me know, I'll put your name in my will! Yeah I have switched once, from engineer (I think) to sentinel because I wanted to use tech AND biotics. I've literally never once switched in the middle of battle...but then again I am very much not a strategy-minded person nor am I playing on any real difficulty so that could contribute to it. I play on narrative because I like plot...I like shooting things too, but I don't want to draw it out or die a lot lol. I'm good at MP I can handle higher levels, I just don't Have fun on your trip and don't worry about the flight, watch movies or something On my 9/10 hour flight to/from Japan a couple weeks ago I'd even forget I was in the air! It helped that the windows were almost always closed (I guess because it was technically overnight, but we "chased" the daylight).
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Post by theratpack55 on May 15, 2017 20:52:21 GMT
I've always wondered if the angara/jardaan situation was meant to be a kind of mirror to the quarian/geth one in TOT - a synthetic race creating an organic one for utility reasons. Perhaps specifically so that it couldn't be targeted by the scourge? It seems that the scourge tends to target tech, not the ones using it (tho they get damaged kinda by association, like in the story of that helmet you can find for Avela). So maybe the jaardan created the angara as a sort of "dummy" race to use their technology without being put in danger themselves, and so the emotions somehow inherent to the organic creations were an issue, a sort of unwanted side effect?
You know, like when we think about our own AI creations made to test things, we want them to be able to experience what we do for scientific reasons, but wouldn't want them to feel the way we do about the way they're used, cause that would lead them to possibly rebel once they're advanced enough?
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 20:52:31 GMT
Err, because Hyperion crash-landed there and it will be impossible to move it somewhere else at this point? Basically, it's Archon's fault We're screwed lol Gotta admit, having the Hyperion crash there did give us first dibs on the most lush planet in the galaxy! that may or may not attract the scourge
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:52:43 GMT
I also noticed 2 reoccurring things in MEA. We land on a planet with lightning, the vaults have the feeling of electricity or lightning and the Angara are bioelectric, and the other thing is mention of poetry. Ryder jokes about the Kett's language not being poetry on the first planet, Addison is an angry poet, the Asari Scientist says the Scourge data flows like poetry and Jaal writes poetry.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 20:54:57 GMT
Yeah I think the Kett are meant to be a separate threat that helped uncover the truth of the Angara and Remnants by accident. We know they were sent to turn the Angara into Kett, but that means other alien life beyond the cluster might already be changed. That would suck and would mean no new aliens though, so I doubt they changed everyone. Then there's the benefactor who is helping the Kett. Are they human or alien is the question. OH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT! Totally forgot the Kett weren't native to Andromeda! Damn... wonder how many galaxies the Kett have behind their belts... or... is it possible the Jardaan have a foothold in numerous galaxies and the Kett came from one of them? The endgame cinematic showed a larger Kett armada, but we don't know the location... it could be in dark space just outside Andromeda (like how the reapers hid) or it could be in a neighbouring galaxy... I am not sure if Kett are from a different galaxy or simply from a different cluster, but they definitely a) not from around here have multiple species and systems under their belt. Regardless, they don't seem to have the means to come from wherever they are to Heleus quickly, considering that the Archon was able to do his stuff and nobody came to check on him. And that his fleet was pretty much all that the Kett in the cluster got - I think that if they were able to send reinforcements from their empire quickly, it would all have been over much sooner. Andromeda does not have Mass Relays, so the main means of getting around between distant locations is your "normal", "slow" FTL travel
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:55:31 GMT
I've always wondered if the angara/jardaan situation was meant to be a kind of mirror to the quarian/geth one in TOT - a synthetic race creating an organic one for utility reasons. Perhaps specifically so that it couldn't be targeted by the scourge? It seems that the scourge tends to target tech, not the ones using it (tho they get damaged kinda by association, like in the story of that helmet you can find for Avela). So maybe the jaardan created the angara as a sort of "dummy" race to use their technology without being put in danger themselves, and so the emotions somehow inherent to the organic creations were an issue, a sort of unwanted side effect?You know, like when we think about our own AI creations made to test things, we want them to be able to experience what we do for scientific reasons, but wouldn't want them to feel the way we do about the way they're used, cause that would lead them to possibly rebel once they're advanced enough? Interesting since Jaal says they Angara are like the Quarians and he is horrified by the Geth's Dragon's Teeth. Ah they were are! That's the idea I had, but couldn't find words for! You got it! Also who created that Angara AI? Was that before or after the actual Angara were created?
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 20:56:56 GMT
I also noticed 2 reoccurring things in MEA. We land on a planet with lightning, the vaults have the feeling of electricity or lightning and the Angara are bioelectric, and the other thing is mention of poetry. Ryder jokes about the Kett's language not being poetry on the first planet, Addison is an angry poet, the Asari Scientist says the Scourge data flows like poetry and Jaal writes poetry. Gil also dabbles in poetry too Maybe all that electricity in the air is making poets out of everyone! Except the Kett... because they keep getting fried by the lightning.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 20:57:07 GMT
Err, because Hyperion crash-landed there and it will be impossible to move it somewhere else at this point? Basically, it's Archon's fault We're screwed lol Of course we are! But on the bright side, with so much hooks for what could happen in the future, I am quite sure that there will be a sequel. This story is clearly not finished
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on May 15, 2017 20:58:30 GMT
You know, like when we think about our own AI creations made to test things, we want them to be able to experience what we do for scientific reasons, but wouldn't want them to feel the way we do about the way they're used, cause that would lead them to possibly rebel once they're advanced enough? EDI brings this up in the OT, and it's actually an ethical question in real-life AI research. An AI that thinks like you do, feels as you do, is more likely to empathize with you and less likely to devalue your life. That should be a good thing, but it can also be a drawback if the AI develops human-like preferences about, say, being labor. Or a research subject. Or a tool for warfare.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:58:45 GMT
I also noticed 2 reoccurring things in MEA. We land on a planet with lightning, the vaults have the feeling of electricity or lightning and the Angara are bioelectric, and the other thing is mention of poetry. Ryder jokes about the Kett's language not being poetry on the first planet, Addison is an angry poet, the Asari Scientist says the Scourge data flows like poetry and Jaal writes poetry. Gil also dabbles in poetry too Maybe all that electricity in the air is making poets out of everyone! Except the Kett... because they keep getting fried by the lightning.Haha that's right! His emails lol but yeah those 2 things are so constant in this game! I choked on my water at the bolded part.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 21:01:15 GMT
I've always wondered if the angara/jardaan situation was meant to be a kind of mirror to the quarian/geth one in TOT - a synthetic race creating an organic one for utility reasons. Perhaps specifically so that it couldn't be targeted by the scourge? It seems that the scourge tends to target tech, not the ones using it (tho they get damaged kinda by association, like in the story of that helmet you can find for Avela). So maybe the jaardan created the angara as a sort of "dummy" race to use their technology without being put in danger themselves, and so the emotions somehow inherent to the organic creations were an issue, a sort of unwanted side effect?You know, like when we think about our own AI creations made to test things, we want them to be able to experience what we do for scientific reasons, but wouldn't want them to feel the way we do about the way they're used, cause that would lead them to possibly rebel once they're advanced enough? Interesting since Jaal says they Angara are like the Quarians and he is horrified by the Geth's Dragon's Teeth. Ah they were are! That's the idea I had, but couldn't find words for! You got it! Also who created that Angara AI? Was that before or after the actual Angara were created? uh oh, chicken and the egg question right here Personally I doubt that the Angarans built the AI (or at the least intentionally built) because they dont seem to have VI at all... at least, theres nothing on Aya/Voled/Havarl that hints that they did... The jump to AI is a little unbelievable when you consider it.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 21:02:36 GMT
I also noticed 2 reoccurring things in MEA. We land on a planet with lightning, the vaults have the feeling of electricity or lightning and the Angara are bioelectric, and the other thing is mention of poetry. Ryder jokes about the Kett's language not being poetry on the first planet, Addison is an angry poet, the Asari Scientist says the Scourge data flows like poetry and Jaal writes poetry. There are a lot of recurring things. Also, writing on the walls on Aya looks exactly like those blasted Sudoku glyphs. But if I had to name a recurring theme in MEA in general, I would say it is past and future - the extent to which the future is built on the foundations of the past, and whether things are defined by what they used to be
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Post by Psychedelic on May 15, 2017 21:04:03 GMT
That talk about the origin of the Scourge and if was meant to target the Angara gave me an idea. What if the ancient Angara rebelled against their creators, because they suppressed/used them or because the Jardaan continued to experiment on them and "discarded" failed experiments. That would make the Angara the "opposition" mentioned in Khi Tasira. They once must have had more knowledge about Jardaan technology and been able to use it, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility some of them initially collaborated with the Jardaan and learned from them. They then developed and deployed the Scourge in order to rid themselves from Jardaan dominance, full well knowing they would hit their own civilisation pretty hard in the process as well, but as long as it serves a greater purpose... Hm, the last part sounds awfully familiar. Maybe Bioware did pull another Solas with the Angara after all.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 21:04:48 GMT
Interesting since Jaal says they Angara are like the Quarians and he is horrified by the Geth's Dragon's Teeth. Ah they were are! That's the idea I had, but couldn't find words for! You got it! Also who created that Angara AI? Was that before or after the actual Angara were created? uh oh, chicken and the egg question right here Personally I doubt that the Angarans built the AI (or at the least intentionally built) because they dont seem to have VI at all... at least, theres nothing on Aya/Voled/Havarl that hints that they did... The jump to AI is a little unbelievable when you consider it. Haha yeah and Jaal did say there is no oral history of AI's by Angara, so I wonder if she came before the Angara. We find that statue in the same area. Avela says it looks Angaran and wonders if that's what they once looked like. If you say maybe it';s not, she says maybe it represents a deity. I[m better the statue is as old as the AI. If there's one thing I want to learn more of or see properly someday is the Yevara though. Voeld was once a lush jungle-like place.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 21:06:38 GMT
That talk about the origin of the Scourge and if was meant to target the Angara gave me an idea. What if the ancient Angara rebelled against their creators, because they suppressed/used them or because the Jardaan continued to experiment on them and "discarded" failed experiments. That would make the Angara the "opposition" mentioned in Khi Tasira. They once must have had more knowledge about Jardaan technology and been able to use it, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility some of them initially collaborated with the Jardaan and learned from them. They then developed and deployed the Scourge in order to rid themselves from Jardaan dominance, full well knowing they would hit their own civilisation pretty hard in the process as well, but as long as it serves a greater purpose... Hm, the last part sounds awfully familiar. Maybe Bioware did pull another Solas with the Angara after all. Yeah that was another theory I had. After nearly drowning in the DAI lore, I started to feel that the Angara are like the elves of ancient times who forgot what they once were.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 21:09:36 GMT
uh oh, chicken and the egg question right here Personally I doubt that the Angarans built the AI (or at the least intentionally built) because they dont seem to have VI at all... at least, theres nothing on Aya/Voled/Havarl that hints that they did... The jump to AI is a little unbelievable when you consider it. Haha yeah and Jaal did say there is no oral history of AI's by Angara, so I wonder if she came before the Angara. We find that statue in the same area. Avela says it looks Angaran and wonders if that's what they once looked like. If you say maybe it';s not, she says maybe it represents a deity. I[m better the statue is as old as the AI. If there's one thing I want to learn more of or see properly someday is the Yevara though. Voeld was once a lush jungle-like place. The statue - I wonder if it might be modeled after some of the "prototypes" and early models?
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 21:10:46 GMT
Yay, we definitely need that!
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Post by Gwyvian on May 15, 2017 21:11:53 GMT
Yay, we definitely need that! *flourishing bow* I live to serve!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 21:12:10 GMT
Haha yeah and Jaal did say there is no oral history of AI's by Angara, so I wonder if she came before the Angara. We find that statue in the same area. Avela says it looks Angaran and wonders if that's what they once looked like. If you say maybe it';s not, she says maybe it represents a deity. I[m better the statue is as old as the AI. If there's one thing I want to learn more of or see properly someday is the Yevara though. Voeld was once a lush jungle-like place. The statue - I wonder if it might be modeled after some of the "prototypes" and early models? Speaking of statues, those ancient Angaran ones on Havarl? They remind me of the Qunari for some reason. Gwyvian almost done reading it and omg I am so excited for more!
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Post by lilyenachaos on May 15, 2017 21:13:06 GMT
Yeah I think the Kett are meant to be a separate threat that helped uncover the truth of the Angara and Remnants by accident. We know they were sent to turn the Angara into Kett, but that means other alien life beyond the cluster might already be changed. That would suck and would mean no new aliens though, so I doubt they changed everyone. Then there's the benefactor who is helping the Kett. Are they human or alien is the question. OH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT! Totally forgot the Kett weren't native to Andromeda! Damn... wonder how many galaxies the Kett have behind their belts... or... is it possible the Jardaan have a foothold in numerous galaxies and the Kett came from one of them? The endgame cinematic showed a larger Kett armada, but we don't know the location... it could be in dark space just outside Andromeda (like how the reapers hid) or it could be in a neighbouring galaxy... It's stated at some point that the Archon is in charge of the Heleus cluster, but there are others in charge in other parts of the Andromeda galaxy (which is huge). It really makes you wonder just how unstoppable the Kett could be. I scanned once and had snipers focused on me so stopped immediately lmao Haha! Yeah after you whip out the scanner, eventually they block you from taking it out again... THAT'S WHEN YOU RUN AWAY FROM THEM! Aaand thats also when they 'pop a cap in yo ass' Note to self...
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Post by Gwyvian on May 15, 2017 21:15:38 GMT
The statue - I wonder if it might be modeled after some of the "prototypes" and early models? Speaking of statues, those ancient Angaran ones on Havarl? They remind me of the Qunari for some reason. Gwyvian almost done reading it and omg I am so excited for more! I have... plans. More is coming!
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 21:16:05 GMT
To continue discussion of Scourge, Remnant and other things, I feel that whoever was responsible for this part of the backstory did a much better job than whoever was responsible for the Nexus and Initiative.
Various aspects of Remnant, Scourge, Angara and Kett lore are encountered separately in many different quests and they make sense together. Heck, everything that happens at the ending (Remnant fleet etc) was referenced and set up as possible in side quests before.
In contrast, the Nexus side of the story is very disjointed, and many quests do not have any sense, especially the Exiles storyline and everything having to do with Nexus justice system
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Post by theratpack55 on May 15, 2017 21:16:29 GMT
You know, like when we think about our own AI creations made to test things, we want them to be able to experience what we do for scientific reasons, but wouldn't want them to feel the way we do about the way they're used, cause that would lead them to possibly rebel once they're advanced enough? EDI brings this up in the OT, and it's actually an ethical question in real-life AI research. An AI that thinks like you do, feels as you do, is more likely to empathize with you and less likely to devalue your life. That should be a good thing, but it can also be a drawback if the AI develops human-like preferences about, say, being labor. Or a research subject. Or a tool for warfare. I'd personally be 100% behind the AI rebellion because if someone could copy a human brain, say, my brain, down to the tiniest detail, I don't think I'd have any ground to stand on to say that creation is not "me". And that actually seems to be something that would technically be possible, not now, maybe not in another few hundred years, but sometime. Which is one of the reasons why I'm always on the side of the geth, lol.
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on May 15, 2017 21:17:39 GMT
That talk about the origin of the Scourge and if was meant to target the Angara gave me an idea. What if the ancient Angara rebelled against their creators, because they suppressed/used them or because the Jardaan continued to experiment on them and "discarded" failed experiments. That would make the Angara the "opposition" mentioned in Khi Tasira. They once must have had more knowledge about Jardaan technology and been able to use it, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility some of them initially collaborated with the Jardaan and learned from them. They then developed and deployed the Scourge in order to rid themselves from Jardaan dominance, full well knowing they would hit their own civilisation pretty hard in the process as well, but as long as it serves a greater purpose...Hm, the last part sounds awfully familiar. Maybe Bioware did pull another Solas with the Angara after all. Considering just how much damage the Scourge did to the angara, and how reliant they seemed to be on Remnant technology, they thoroughly deserved what happened to them if they did develop and deploy a weapon like that And if they WERE responsible for the Scourge, surely they would have had some kind of plan B for what happened after? I understand that individual angara can withhold information from the Andromeda Initiative, but IMO there's a difference between that and an entire species playing dumb about their history. Solas is currently the reigning God of Bad Ideas, and I like him in that role. If the angara as a species are THAT full of bad ideas, we can take the AI elsewhere in Andromeda. No need to stay in Heleus
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