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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 21:55:00 GMT
In her banters with SAM, she sounds as if she is hitting at him. And trying to seduce him to the Dark Side with her feminine viles. Whereas SAM would be slowly edging away if he could. Oh if only SAM had a body like EDI, he would have run for the hills! Which is one of the reasons I'm never going to put her with SAM - not going to let my faithful AI partner be molested! Speaking of which, random thought about MET and EDI - while playing ME2, I thought that it was at least one of the reasons why EDI was so adamant in fighting off Reaper influence. One reason is of course that she wants to protect the crew - it is her purpose. But when Reaper technology overtook, invaded and subverted her systems - she must have felt personally violated to the core of her being. And in general, for AI to be hacked - it probably feels like violation
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 21:56:36 GMT
I have a question about something. Did any of you tell the historian on Voeld to lie about the Angara who helped the Kett, or did you tell him to be honest? I usually tell him to be honest, besides, in my opinion it is not that terrible or unexpected - most normal people would do the same under duress, and they were threatened.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 21:57:04 GMT
I have a question about something. Did any of you tell the historian on Voeld to lie about the Angara who helped the Kett, or did you tell him to be honest? I told him to tell the truth, because femRyder was a Prothean girl so it made sense for her to want to accurately record history. Wonder what would happen if I told him to lie... would he say something about lying to keep morale up?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 21:57:56 GMT
I have a question about something. Did any of you tell the historian on Voeld to lie about the Angara who helped the Kett, or did you tell him to be honest? I think I told him to be honest. It serves no one to cover up history and pretend it didn't happen, that breeds arrogance and superiority that could eventually be a huge weakness. I mean, of course it will cause strife and pain to reveal this information, but if the angara believe that they are completely blameless in all respects, how can they learn from those mistakes of the past? They're not invulnerable, neither physiologically nor psychologically and they the best thing to do for them is help them prepare as best they can against all manner of threats, including psychological ones. Ah so I wasn't alone in that thought. I tried both and when he said he'd save the info, I was worried that might be even worse. What if the Angara found out he hid this? It wouldn't be good, and worse, if they heard Ryder was the one who said to hide it. That would really be bad. The Angara are not perfect and need to accept that some broke and did bad stuff to survive. It's "human" if you look at it from humanity's point of view.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 22:01:05 GMT
Considering just how much damage the Scourge did to the angara, and how reliant they seemed to be on Remnant technology, they thoroughly deserved what happened to them if they did develop and deploy a weapon like that And if they WERE responsible for the Scourge, surely they would have had some kind of plan B for what happened after? I understand that individual angara can withhold information from the Andromeda Initiative, but IMO there's a difference between that and an entire species playing dumb about their history. Solas is currently the reigning God of Bad Ideas, and I like him in that role. If the angara as a species are THAT full of bad ideas, we can take the AI elsewhere in Andromeda. No need to stay in Heleus I never said it would have been a good idea, but desperation might lead to stupid ideas, so no plan B, just a case of act first, think later (optional). The Angara's apparent lack of knowledge about the time before the Scourge is only poorly explained in the game, imo. Sure, much would be lost after such an desaster, but everything, in particular such insubstantial parts like being created or the Jardaan's existence in general? They could be lying, of course, but to what end? And, as you said, so many individual who should know about these things and not a single one of them blabbering out? I don't think so. Barring the (sadly not so unlikely) possibility of a narrative tool to leave room for development in later games/DLCs the Angara truly do not know about the Jardaan, or at least they didn't until Ryder told them. Makes me wonder if their assumed genetic memory might work both ways, not only to carry over certain information to the next generation, but also block undesired memories, which then would be lost for the following generations who then could never learn about them. My guess is that the lack of knowledge is because after the Scourge, Angara had to specifically wean themselves out of rem tech and abandon it. Scourge was probably much more active in seeking it out then, and there is no need to remember what you are actively trying to discard.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:01:51 GMT
If anyone knows things, it's the Moshae.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 22:04:37 GMT
If anyone knows things, it's the Moshae. And she is... I adore her, but I am pretty sure that she knows much more than she is going to tell anyone
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:07:53 GMT
If anyone knows things, it's the Moshae. And she is... I adore her, but I am pretty sure that she knows much more than she is going to tell anyone Yep! She may be Viv's voice actress (though I love Viv too), but she's another level of bitch! LOL! I love her really. Our chat on the Tempest in the crew quarters and on Aya (both with Evfra and alone) makes me want to know more of the things she's seen and knows. She and Sara connect so well since both love Science too. When she says she'll fade away, I always feel that's a hint to make her Ambassador at the end of the game. I agree though, and possibly Evfra too. He's not 115 like her, but he's not young either. Both know things and it's why they are so passionate.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 22:11:44 GMT
And she is... I adore her, but I am pretty sure that she knows much more than she is going to tell anyone Yep! She may be Viv's voice actress (though I love Viv too), but she's another level of bitch! LOL! I love her really. Our chat on the Tempest in the crew quarters and on Aya (both with Evfra and alone) makes me want to know more of the things she's seen and knows. She and Sara connect so well since both love Science too. When she says she'll fade away, I always feel that's a hint to make her Ambassador at the end of the game. I agree though, and possibly Evfra too. He's not 115 like her, but he's not young either. Both know things and it's why they are so passionate. Not sure about Evfra - I suspect that he does not care much about history, he is more an immediate needs kind of guy. But whatever is going on with lost Angara worlds - I am pretty sure he knows that
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Post by Psychedelic on May 15, 2017 22:12:11 GMT
I think I told him to be honest. It serves no one to cover up history and pretend it didn't happen, that breeds arrogance and superiority that could eventually be a huge weakness. I mean, of course it will cause strife and pain to reveal this information, but if the angara believe that they are completely blameless in all respects, how can they learn from those mistakes of the past? They're not invulnerable, neither physiologically nor psychologically and they the best thing to do for them is help them prepare as best they can against all manner of threats, including psychological ones. Ah so I wasn't alone in that thought. I tried both and when he said he'd save the info, I was worried that might be even worse. What if the Angara found out he hid this? It wouldn't be good, and worse, if they heard Ryder was the one who said to hide it. That would really be bad. The Angara are not perfect and need to accept that some broke and did bad stuff to survive. It's "human" if you look at it from humanity's point of view. On the other hand you get a better result if you lie to Maariko in the quest with the stolen satellites. It is unlikely he will ever find out it was't the Roekarr but Exiles who stole them and blew up the vessel he sent to look for them, plus you get the star charts from him. Although the way the dialogue is written tries to make you feel bad about lying, Bioware surprisingly strays from the usual "do good deeds and be rewarded" concept and makes the "evil" choice the objectively better one.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:13:05 GMT
Yep! She may be Viv's voice actress (though I love Viv too), but she's another level of bitch! LOL! I love her really. Our chat on the Tempest in the crew quarters and on Aya (both with Evfra and alone) makes me want to know more of the things she's seen and knows. She and Sara connect so well since both love Science too. When she says she'll fade away, I always feel that's a hint to make her Ambassador at the end of the game. I agree though, and possibly Evfra too. He's not 115 like her, but he's not young either. Both know things and it's why they are so passionate. Not sure about Evfra - I suspect that he does not care much about history, he is more an immediate needs kind of guy. But whatever is going on with lost Angara worlds - I am pretty sure he knows that He is hiding something from the Initiative and my guess is it might be the other worlds the are trying to find. Also a bit OT but did anyone find Jaal OOC if you save the AI and let the Angara die? Evfra says killing it is what he would have done, but Jaal is like "Eh... whatever" type of reaction.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:16:59 GMT
Ah so I wasn't alone in that thought. I tried both and when he said he'd save the info, I was worried that might be even worse. What if the Angara found out he hid this? It wouldn't be good, and worse, if they heard Ryder was the one who said to hide it. That would really be bad. The Angara are not perfect and need to accept that some broke and did bad stuff to survive. It's "human" if you look at it from humanity's point of view. On the other hand you get a better result if you lie to Maariko in the quest with the stolen satellites. It is unlikely he will ever find out it was't the Roekarr but Exiles who stole them and blew up the vessel he sent to look for them, plus you get the star charts from him. Although the way the dialogue is written tries to make you feel bad about lying, Bioware surprisingly strays from the usual "do good deeds and be rewarded" concept and makes the "evil" choice the objectively better one. I haven't done that one yet. I'll try both and see how it feels for me. There's other less than nice choices I take in-game because they seem better. Like kicking out the protesters on the Nexus who just want their families awakened. I also tell Jaal I am putting the Moshae first and then later save the Angara after seeing the horrors happening. Jaal not always liking you or having tension with you at the beginning feels better to me than his trust being won so quickly. I also point my gun at Sloane and then Sara says to Reyes "She almost shot me!" and he laughs lol and of course letting Reyes' sniper kill Sloane.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 22:21:49 GMT
Ah so I wasn't alone in that thought. I tried both and when he said he'd save the info, I was worried that might be even worse. What if the Angara found out he hid this? It wouldn't be good, and worse, if they heard Ryder was the one who said to hide it. That would really be bad. The Angara are not perfect and need to accept that some broke and did bad stuff to survive. It's "human" if you look at it from humanity's point of view. On the other hand you get a better result if you lie to Maariko in the quest with the stolen satellites. It is unlikely he will ever find out it was't the Roekarr but Exiles who stole them and blew up the vessel he sent to look for them, plus you get the star charts from him. Although the way the dialogue is written tries to make you feel bad about lying, Bioware surprisingly strays from the usual "do good deeds and be rewarded" concept and makes the "evil" choice the objectively better one. Yeah in my first run I told the truth, that the exiles stole the satellites, and he was very upset with me, may give lying a go on my current run.
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Post by Psychedelic on May 15, 2017 22:25:57 GMT
My guess is that the lack of knowledge is because after the Scourge, Angara had to specifically wean themselves out of rem tech and abandon it. Scourge was probably much more active in seeking it out then, and there is no need to remember what you are actively trying to discard. If they once tried to forget about RemTech on purpose because using it could have harmed them, there would likely remain a distrust or even fear regarding the remnant, even if the reason behind it gets lost. But the Angara are interested in it and try to learn about it, like the scientists on Havarl, or use the technology -to a lesser degree- like the sages of Mithrava. It's only 400 years since the Scourge appeared. That may sound like a long time, but on a larger scale it's as good as nothing, at least not enough to forget just about everything. The Scourge alone can't be the explanation.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 22:26:01 GMT
On the other hand you get a better result if you lie to Maariko in the quest with the stolen satellites. It is unlikely he will ever find out it was't the Roekarr but Exiles who stole them and blew up the vessel he sent to look for them, plus you get the star charts from him. Although the way the dialogue is written tries to make you feel bad about lying, Bioware surprisingly strays from the usual "do good deeds and be rewarded" concept and makes the "evil" choice the objectively better one. I haven't done that one yet. I'll try both and see how it feels for me. There's other less than nice choices I take in-game because they seem better. Like kicking out the protesters on the Nexus who just want their families awakened. I also tell Jaal I am putting the Moshae first and then later save the Angara after seeing the horrors happening. Jaal not always liking you or having tension with you at the beginning feels better to me than his trust being won so quickly. I also point my gun at Sloane and then Sara says to Reyes "She almost shot me!" and he laughs lol and of course letting Reyes' sniper kill Sloane. Yeah, some of the more mean/forceful choices seemed better at times... for one, I sabotaged the Angaran water hoarders plans on Elladen, despite the fact that I was always so lenient towards the Angara when other issues were concerned. Walking through Kadara was horrible for me, seeing random Angarans being stomped on in the streets made me so angry at Sloane, and yet the water hoarder was the one that made me break my bias viewpoint on them
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 22:28:16 GMT
If anyone knows things, it's the Moshae. A lady of many secrets, that's for sure. Hell, she may even know some things that could change the tide of war... Didn't stop me making her ambassador though!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:28:38 GMT
I haven't done that one yet. I'll try both and see how it feels for me. There's other less than nice choices I take in-game because they seem better. Like kicking out the protesters on the Nexus who just want their families awakened. I also tell Jaal I am putting the Moshae first and then later save the Angara after seeing the horrors happening. Jaal not always liking you or having tension with you at the beginning feels better to me than his trust being won so quickly. I also point my gun at Sloane and then Sara says to Reyes "She almost shot me!" and he laughs lol and of course letting Reyes' sniper kill Sloane. Yeah, some of the more mean/forceful choices seemed better at times... for one, I sabotaged the Angaran water hoarders plans on Elladen, despite the fact that I was always so lenient towards the Angara when other issues were concerned. Walking through Kadara was horrible for me, seeing random Angarans being stomped on in the streets made me so angry at Sloane, and yet the water hoarder was the one that made me break my bias viewpoint on them Not all Angara are sunshine and rainbows. Especially when you go to places that are dog-eat-dog. Jaal is just the worst when it comes to being emotional, but push him too far and you don't want him as an enemy.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 22:29:35 GMT
On the other hand you get a better result if you lie to Maariko in the quest with the stolen satellites. It is unlikely he will ever find out it was't the Roekarr but Exiles who stole them and blew up the vessel he sent to look for them, plus you get the star charts from him. Although the way the dialogue is written tries to make you feel bad about lying, Bioware surprisingly strays from the usual "do good deeds and be rewarded" concept and makes the "evil" choice the objectively better one. I haven't done that one yet. I'll try both and see how it feels for me. There's other less than nice choices I take in-game because they seem better. Like kicking out the protesters on the Nexus who just want their families awakened. I also tell Jaal I am putting the Moshae first and then later save the Angara after seeing the horrors happening. Jaal not always liking you or having tension with you at the beginning feels better to me than his trust being won so quickly. I also point my gun at Sloane and then Sara says to Reyes "She almost shot me!" and he laughs lol and of course letting Reyes' sniper kill Sloane. I always disperse the protesters, and I honestly don't understand their complaints. With all the sh*t that is going on, won't their families be safer in cryo? In their place, I would prefer my loved ones to awaken once everything is prepared for them. When the protest happens, Prodromos is still a tiny bare-bones settlement on a planet full of radiation and Kett. Who in their right mind would want to put their loved ones there?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:30:50 GMT
I haven't done that one yet. I'll try both and see how it feels for me. There's other less than nice choices I take in-game because they seem better. Like kicking out the protesters on the Nexus who just want their families awakened. I also tell Jaal I am putting the Moshae first and then later save the Angara after seeing the horrors happening. Jaal not always liking you or having tension with you at the beginning feels better to me than his trust being won so quickly. I also point my gun at Sloane and then Sara says to Reyes "She almost shot me!" and he laughs lol and of course letting Reyes' sniper kill Sloane. I always disperse the protesters, and I honestly don't understand their complaints. With all the sh*t that is going on, won't their families be safer in cryo? In their place, I would prefer my loved ones to awaken once everything is prepared for them. When the protest happens, Prodromos is still a tiny bare-bones settlement on a planet full of radiation and Kett. Who in their right mind would want to put their loved ones there? I got the impression they were in their late teens, so they were young and being immature.
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Post by beholderess on May 15, 2017 22:34:21 GMT
Yeah, some of the more mean/forceful choices seemed better at times... for one, I sabotaged the Angaran water hoarders plans on Elladen, despite the fact that I was always so lenient towards the Angara when other issues were concerned. Walking through Kadara was horrible for me, seeing random Angarans being stomped on in the streets made me so angry at Sloane, and yet the water hoarder was the one that made me break my bias viewpoint on them Not all Angara are sunshine and rainbows. Especially when you go to places that are dog-eat-dog. Jaal is just the worst when it comes to being emotional, but push him too far and you don't want him as an enemy. That's one of the things I like about the writing of Angara. They are different, run the whole spectrum of sweet and jerks, calm and impetuous, have contradicting opinions and arguments, and are not Planet of Hats tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats But they all have that on-point intensity that makes them recognizable
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Post by kestrel on May 15, 2017 22:35:47 GMT
Bear in mind that the protestors have possibly been awake from cryo a full year already, with no sign of their loved ones being thawed out. They were promised certain things when they signed up for the Initiative, and none of those promises have come true thus far. They're scared and they're alone- I think wanting to see your loved ones in that kind of situation is a pretty natural feeling, regardless of whether or not they're in the right or not.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 22:37:39 GMT
Yeah, some of the more mean/forceful choices seemed better at times... for one, I sabotaged the Angaran water hoarders plans on Elladen, despite the fact that I was always so lenient towards the Angara when other issues were concerned. Walking through Kadara was horrible for me, seeing random Angarans being stomped on in the streets made me so angry at Sloane, and yet the water hoarder was the one that made me break my bias viewpoint on them Not all Angara are sunshine and rainbows. Especially when you go to places that are dog-eat-dog. Jaal is just the worst when it comes to being emotional, but push him too far and you don't want him as an enemy. True true, hell, seeing Jaal flip out in the Kett base and practically bum-rushing all Kett in the area made me stop in shock for a bit... it was such a personality shift it took me completely by surprise! I was totally expecting him to 'nope' out of the fight and leave me and Drack to mop up while he recovered!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:37:41 GMT
Bear in mind that the protestors have possibly been awake from cryo a full year already, with no sign of their loved ones being thawed out. They were promised certain things when they signed up for the Initiative, and none of those promises have come true thus far. They're scared and they're alone- I think wanting to see your loved ones in that kind of situation is a pretty natural feeling, regardless of whether or not they're in the right or not. Yeah it's a tough thing to do, but when they got violent and started harming things, it was best to have them leave before another Exiles event occurred. If they had behaved, I might have tried to help.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 15, 2017 22:42:14 GMT
Bear in mind that the protestors have possibly been awake from cryo a full year already, with no sign of their loved ones being thawed out. They were promised certain things when they signed up for the Initiative, and none of those promises have come true thus far. They're scared and they're alone- I think wanting to see your loved ones in that kind of situation is a pretty natural feeling, regardless of whether or not they're in the right or not. Yeah it's a tough thing to do, but when they got violent and started harming things, it was best to have them leave before another Exiles event occurred. If they had behaved, I might have tried to help. Yeah, if they didn't resort to property damage I might have looked for some kinda compromise, (maybe thaw out a few people for a bit to placate the grumps then refreeze after a bit of socialization?) still it was an easy dilemma for me to answer... no way in hell am I releasing more mouths to feed just because someone misses his mother! It's asking for trouble!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 22:44:35 GMT
Not all Angara are sunshine and rainbows. Especially when you go to places that are dog-eat-dog. Jaal is just the worst when it comes to being emotional, but push him too far and you don't want him as an enemy. True true, hell, seeing Jaal flip out in the Kett base and practically bum-rushing all Kett in the area made me stop in shock for a bit... it was such a personality shift it took me completely by surprise! I was totally expecting him to 'nope' out of the fight and leave me and Drack to mop up while he recovered! Jaal scared me on the flagship when he sees the Salarian being experimented on. He total flips! Beyond what he learns at the facility! Just before that, he was near tears at the tons of Salarian bodies piled up with organs missing. Seeing it about to happen again caused him to snap!
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