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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 27, 2017 3:29:11 GMT
I didnt find Jacob boring tbqh, that title goes to Tali. Yes, but the Talimancers brutally overcompensated for her. Jacob was just boring. well i admit i would always stop using jacob after the first two missions or so and his LQ obviously. I honestly dont find him boring at all, too bad they didnt write enough to make him more of an interesting character for others. Tali on the other hand was pure cancer to me. I not only find her boring but also despise her because of the taliboos.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 27, 2017 3:31:47 GMT
By Grabthar's hammer………..what a thread.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 27, 2017 3:32:34 GMT
What do you guys think of the new Resident Evil? not worth the bones to play. But it's so good.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 27, 2017 3:37:00 GMT
not worth the bones to play. But it's so good. eh played the demo it was alright i guess. Im currently in the beta for For Honor PC and find it fun although the 4v4 is currently broken. Dont think i'll get it since i dont see myself playing the mp after a couple of hours.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 27, 2017 3:38:47 GMT
Oh how i have seen the light. The op was very insightful and thought provoking.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jan 27, 2017 4:32:47 GMT
Bioware is Canadian, and their target public is North America and Europe - regions in which most people are white, and most beautiful and desirable females are white and usually blonde ones.
Therefore I don't see any issue on having these type of women as the leading love interest for straight males.
Were Bioware to please each and everyone's sexual fetish, I would personally like to see plasticky brunette . But since that is not going to happen, I am Ok with just bland Caucasian females. And I think you should be Ok with that, too.
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Post by jymm on Jan 27, 2017 5:12:07 GMT
Ugh. The OP smells a bit too much like trollbait, but then again.... maybe they do lean a little heavy toward the bland Caucasian females. And I agree that Asians have kinda got sidelined in the later ME games. For a company that wears its diversity so proudly on its sleeve, perhaps there is room to keep expanding the horizons? I wonder if you made more racially diverse romances, would the player stats be really depressing?
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Post by isaidlunch on Jan 27, 2017 6:08:21 GMT
The love interests for women in this series have been pretty bad and I have no faith that MEA will be different. I'm expecting another Garrus situation where I'll have to settle for the alien with a good personality.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 27, 2017 6:44:13 GMT
One thing that does bug me a bit about Mass Effect's diversity is where all the Chinese people are? Generally its a very western focused version of diversity. Shouldn't we allow a Canadian game to have a Canadian perspective? How big is the Chinese minority in Canada? How does Chinese art portray Canadian culture? According to this Canadian Economics blog, in 2011 Canada was 12.4% Asian (4% Chinese) and 2.9% Black. In the US the numbers are reversed. Asians are the largest minority population in Canada. So if they were using a Canadian perspective 12% of their characters would be Asian. worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2013/06/if-canada-used-american-racial-categories.htmlBioware tries to be very inclusive, which is admirable, and it's one of the reasons I want to support the company. That doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, though. If you look at the headshots of the VA's for the MET, for example, there are not all that many minorities, although the ones that are in the cast have relatively prominent roles (Ashley, Jacob, Kasumi, Shala'Raan, Anderson, Uvenk). Bioware has cast minorities as non-minorities (Gwendoline Yeo as the Asari Wasea and Shiala) but when character and voice actor races are discordant more often a caucasian actor gets the minority role (Alix Wilton Regan as Traynor, Troy Baker as Kai Leng, Siobhan Hewlett as Maya Brooks), which I think is too bad. www.imdb.com/title/tt1073668/fullcredits/www.imdb.com/title/tt1540125/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#castwww.imdb.com/title/tt1839558/fullcredits/
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Post by lastpawn on Jan 27, 2017 7:13:02 GMT
Don't particularly agree with this thread, but hijacking it to say that Diana Allers should have been Emily Wong. Why are there NO Chinese, or really Asians of any sort, in ME universe?
Emily Wong was killed off screen and in her place we got a cyber ninja. From an interesting character to a corny stereotype. Painful.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 27, 2017 7:31:21 GMT
How are Bioware supposed to win at this game of 'pick a crew'? If they pick white characters they are not diverse enough. If they pick diverse characters, they are doing it for an 'agenda'. Will give it a little longer to see if any meaningful discussion emerges, but this thread has 'bait lock' hovering over it...
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Post by Evamitchelle on Jan 27, 2017 7:33:10 GMT
Don't particularly agree with this thread, but hijacking it to say that Diana Allers should have been Emily Wong. Why are there NO Chinese, or really Asians of any sort, in ME universe? Emily Wong was killed off screen and in her place we got a cyber ninja. From an interesting character to a corny stereotype. Painful. There aren't as many Asians as you'd expect considering that they're currently 60% of the world population, but Asian characters are in the games: Kasumi, Traynor, Kai Leng, Emily Wong, Ethan Jeong, Grace Sato, Maeko Matsuo, Samesh Bhatia etc.
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Post by lastpawn on Jan 27, 2017 7:42:58 GMT
Don't particularly agree with this thread, but hijacking it to say that Diana Allers should have been Emily Wong. Why are there NO Chinese, or really Asians of any sort, in ME universe? Emily Wong was killed off screen and in her place we got a cyber ninja. From an interesting character to a corny stereotype. Painful. There aren't as many Asians as you'd expect considering that they're currently 60% of the world population, but Asian characters are in the games: Kasumi, Traynor, Kai Leng, Emily Wong, Ethan Jeong, Grace Sato, Maeko Matsuo, Samesh Bhatia etc. Yes, that's true. But it's telling I had to look up who the last 3 of those were despite having played each ME game at least twice. I like Matsuo! Forgot about her. I think what I meant was I'd like to see more major characters be Asian. And not like a "wise spiritual" character, just you know, a person who happens to be ethnically Asian. Something like 1 in 5 people today is Chinese. What happens to them before ME? Only two (presumably) Chinese characters show up that I know of: that's Emily Wong, and Kai Leng who is oddly a (Japanese?) cyber-ninja.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Jan 27, 2017 7:49:14 GMT
There aren't as many Asians as you'd expect considering that they're currently 60% of the world population, but Asian characters are in the games: Kasumi, Traynor, Kai Leng, Emily Wong, Ethan Jeong, Grace Sato, Maeko Matsuo, Samesh Bhatia etc. Yes, that's true. But it's telling I had to look up who the last 3 of those were despite having played each ME game at least twice. I like Matsuo! Forgot about her. I think what I meant was I'd like to see more major characters be Asian. And not like a "wise spiritual" character, just you know, a person who happens to be ethnically Asian. Something like 1 in 5 people today is Chinese. What happens to them before ME? Only two (presumably) Chinese characters show up that I know of: that's Emily Wong, and Kai Leng who is oddly a (Japanese?) cyber-ninja. Wanting more major Asian characters is fair, I just disagreed with the description of Mass Effect as having no Asians of any sort, because it's not true. And Kai Leng is Chinese: his name is Chinese, he's described as having Chinese heritage in the novels too. You don't have to be Japanese to learn how to use a sword or be a space ninja.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 8:47:14 GMT
I always assumed Ashley was part Latina. She is. It never comes up in the games, but it was mentioned by her writer back in 2007 or 2008.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jan 27, 2017 9:11:46 GMT
OP's username got the theme song stuck in my head
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Post by amleth on Jan 27, 2017 10:25:42 GMT
Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Kelly Chambers and Diana Allers are all white just like the new female lead love interest Cora. The romance options for straight male players are designed to be what society deems most desirable. Who isn't white? Jacob, Steve Cortez, Samantha Traynor and now Liam. Characters that are not meant to be love interests for the big majority of players but serve a function somewhere between friend, subordinate and background decoration. Agreed, it was a thing that really bugged me in ME3 and I'm glad others now notice it too. Saying oh we include aliens of all species seems to be a form of faux diversity meant to score brownie points when the entirety of your cast is basically racially or culturally white. Indeed, and to make matters worse, the only forms of Asian representation are Emily Wong (minor side character who dies offscreen) and Kai Leng (ridiculous villain). So yes talk about reinforcing stereotypes. Go away trump
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Post by Dekibra on Jan 27, 2017 10:47:59 GMT
1/10 please lock cheap click bait aka troll thread (OP didn't post anything else since creating this thread)
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Post by stysiaq on Jan 27, 2017 11:32:46 GMT
Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Kelly Chambers and Diana Allers are all white just like the new female lead love interest Cora. The romance options for straight male players are designed to be what society deems most desirable. Who isn't white? Jacob, Steve Cortez, Samantha Traynor and now Liam. Characters that are not meant to be love interests for the big majority of players but serve a function somewhere between friend, subordinate and background decoration. I think it's bait, but if you think Cora is what men regard the most desirable then you haven't met a lot of people. Also, where have you been when Jessica Chobot's butterface character was revealed? But yes, BioWare has token diversity characters. Honestly it's a game where the only winning move is not to play.
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Post by Wulfram on Jan 27, 2017 11:56:14 GMT
One thing that does bug me a bit about Mass Effect's diversity is where all the Chinese people are? Generally its a very western focused version of diversity. Shouldn't we allow a Canadian game to have a Canadian perspective? How big is the Chinese minority in Canada? How does Chinese art portray Canadian culture? But we're not fighting for the Canadian Space Navy
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 27, 2017 12:59:46 GMT
also come on who doesn't want to romance Garrus I don't.
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Post by Petroshenko on Jan 27, 2017 13:00:22 GMT
Obviously they pick the colours more desirable for the main audience. Young men prefer white chicks and black sidekicks. I'm half joking, please don't hate. I love black chicks and white sidekicks too. Just not as much :-D It's the difference between what's assumed to be desired vs. what people actually find desirable. You got women like say Ciara who's obviously desired by men (and lesbians) of any race yet black chicks rarely get the lead female parts. Asian lead men? Look no further than Sleeping Dogs where Wei's attractiveness became a topic of itself around the game It's just about picking the 'hot' people from any given race really, way easier than assumed
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Post by hammerstorm on Jan 27, 2017 13:19:44 GMT
Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Kelly Chambers and Diana Allers are all white just like the new female lead love interest Cora. The romance options for straight male players are designed to be what society deems most desirable. Who isn't white? Jacob, Steve Cortez, Samantha Traynor and now Liam. Characters that are not meant to be love interests for the big majority of players but serve a function somewhere between friend, subordinate and background decoration. For all that is trollict™, can we at least get in some good trolls? The Troll standard is really going down the closer we getting launch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 13:26:29 GMT
My reaction when I've seen the first post.
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