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Post by roselavellan on Aug 16, 2016 2:45:31 GMT
Lol, I get it. He's had 2 years of mourning, but he never even gives Shep a chance to explain. He just makes huge assumptions. It was my first ever ME run and I'd romanced him, I was eager to meet him again and then boom. A kick in the guts. You've got to admit it was shoddily done. Luckily Garrus was now available and I much preferred him anyway. It does feel shitty, but I'm generally very forgiving so it didn't bother me overmuch. I didn't trust Cerberus anymore than he did. I was so happy to see him again in 3 and then they made me wait half the game to reconnect. I'm very forgiving myself, but I really couldn't take the way Kaidan acted in Horizon. Now I'm starting ME3, and he's still berating my Shepard while she just stands there and tries to pacify him. It's inexplicable. I'm actually curious: does he act this way at the beginning of ME3 even if you don't romance him? It doesn't seem very respectful.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 16, 2016 3:26:42 GMT
It does feel shitty, but I'm generally very forgiving so it didn't bother me overmuch. I didn't trust Cerberus anymore than he did. I was so happy to see him again in 3 and then they made me wait half the game to reconnect. I'm very forgiving myself, but I really couldn't take the way Kaidan acted in Horizon. Now I'm starting ME3, and he's still berating my Shepard while she just stands there and tries to pacify him. It's inexplicable. I'm actually curious: does he act this way at the beginning of ME3 even if you don't romance him? It doesn't seem very respectful. I really don’t see it as a problem for me personally. Kaidan thought Shep was dead. For 2 years. And then *poof* here’s Shep along with a bunch of shady rumors about Cerberus and s/he also didn’t (wasn’t able to) contact him. Honestly, I’m mad that I couldn’t send at least a message to tell him something. The shock of Horizon, coupled with the anger and disorienting sense of the situation… I don’t blame him for being emotional and I don’t hold it against him. He’s only human. As for ME3, I’ll echo that it still doesn’t concern me. I think it’s healthy to be suspicious of Cerberus. It might be annoying but I’m not personally hurt by it. I just and keep going. His issue is with Cerberus, not Shepard, and he'll see the light or not -- which of course presents the fact that the VS is purposefully written in a way that will conflict with Shepard because of the plot. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense for the VS to suddenly turn on Shep during the Coup if they weren’t already untrusting. That they decided to make his distrust for Cerberus stronger than his trust for Shepard, yeah, I can understand how that's a problem. I just accept it the way it is and that it isn't perfect. I can only try to change it later. Kaidan is the same unromanced in 3, only with some line changes from both him and Shep.
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 16, 2016 3:41:37 GMT
Kaidan is the same unromanced in 3, only with some line changes from both him and Shep. Ok, so it really is more about Cerberus than Shepard. Thanks, it makes a bit more sense now. (This is my first time playing and I don't have a lot of context. And I don't know what you mean by VS and the Coup.)
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 16, 2016 3:50:58 GMT
Kaidan is the same unromanced in 3, only with some line changes from both him and Shep. Ok, so it really is more about Cerberus than Shepard. Thanks, it makes a bit more sense now. (This is my first time playing and I don't have a lot of context. And I don't know what you mean by VS and the Coup.) Oh my gloriously failed crap. I didn't know you were new to the series. J-Just ignore what I said! (What I said about Kaidan+anti-trust+Cerberus was my opinion. VS = Virmire Survivor.) But ignore the underlined! I'm so sorry. *dies from shame*
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 16, 2016 4:04:34 GMT
Ok, so it really is more about Cerberus than Shepard. Thanks, it makes a bit more sense now. (This is my first time playing and I don't have a lot of context. And I don't know what you mean by VS and the Coup.) Oh my gloriously failed crap. I didn't know you were new to the series. J-Just ignore what I said! (What I said about Kaidan+anti-trust+Cerberus was my opinion. VS = Virmire Survivor.) But ignore the underlined! I'm so sorry. *dies from shame* Oh, no, please don't, I was looking for an opinion and I got one I had, in fact, just finished the first couple of missions in ME3 and was mystified by Kaidan's treatment of Shepard. I understood from the exchange that he distrusts Cerberus, of course, but I wasn't sure if part of his anger was also due to his perceived "abandonment" by Shepard in ME2. It puts things in better perspective now that I know he rages at a non-romanced Shepard too (though I still think it's rude).
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 16, 2016 4:16:13 GMT
Oh my gloriously failed crap. I didn't know you were new to the series. J-Just ignore what I said! (What I said about Kaidan+anti-trust+Cerberus was my opinion. VS = Virmire Survivor.) But ignore the underlined! I'm so sorry. *dies from shame* Oh, no, please don't, I was looking for an opinion and I got one I had, in fact, just finished the first couple of missions in ME3 and was mystified by Kaidan's treatment of Shepard. I understood from the exchange that he distrusts Cerberus, of course, but I wasn't sure if part of his anger was also due to his perceived "abandonment" by Shepard in ME2. It puts things in better perspective now that I know he rages at a non-romanced Shepard too (though I still think it's rude). Well I'm glad I could help even though I said... some... things... that you didn't need to know. *coughs* I'll just stop talking.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 17, 2016 2:01:32 GMT
Another year, ANOTHER run from this serie =p Anyway, I only play with male shep, except once, I played with a woman and dated Liara. But I'm sick of playing with lesbians, I always do that, boring. Now im playing with a new femshep (the one from my avatar) Question: Kaindan or Garrus? Why? Searching the internet, Garrus is more popular, but Kaidan´s fans are more fanatical. I am a man straight, so do not care about the appearance. I just want to know which of the two romances is the most developed. And no this does not serve. I want to be faithful = p thanks Garrus, erry day, erry week, erry month, erry year, all years.
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Post by Amirit on Aug 17, 2016 8:59:26 GMT
Searching the internet, Garrus is more popular, but Kaidan´s fans are more fanatical. And after full realization of that you still need an advise?! Everything depends of how deep is your attachment to your character. I mean, would you feel offended if she was? Since you know the game you probably remember Horizon with Kaidan\Ashly? Now imagine that scene for your Shepard romancing one of them. And in ME3 before you can recover that romance, you have to go through "Horizon" again before Kaidan agrees to accept you. My advice, begin Kaidan romance in ME1, dump him in ME2 for Garrus and never look back.
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Post by dalinne on Aug 17, 2016 10:15:10 GMT
Searching the internet, Garrus is more popular, but Kaidan´s fans are more fanatical. And after full realization of that you still need an advise?! Everything depends of how deep is your attachment to your character. I mean, would you feel offended if she was? Since you know the game you probably remember Horizon with Kaidan\Ashly? Now imagine that scene for your Shepard romancing one of them. And in ME3 before you can recover that romance, you have to go through "Horizon" again before Kaidan agrees to accept you. My advice, begin Kaidan romance in ME1, dump him in ME2 for Garrus and never look back. My advice would be begin Kaidan romance in ME1 if that is what it really calls you (I get that, I fall for him 50% times ) Then, in ME2, you see if you prefer to stay faithful or you prefer something less closer to home I fall for Garrus everytime. Although his romance is not the best of the trio you get in ME2 (Thane, Jacob), I think is rather superior to Kaidan's in ME3 (just my opinion). I couldn't get over Horizon, sorry. I freaking love Kaidan's character and his romance, but a romanced Kaidan in ME2 no, i can't with Horizon. With MaleShep is better maybe because you were not initially with him in ME1, so you feel like he is overreacting because he has been carrying all those feelings in secret. Maybe I'll try a Kaidan romance with FemShep with no romance in ME1... if I can stay away from Garrus pants in ME2
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 10:46:13 GMT
I didn't import a Kaidan only save, so I can only comment on the lines he says to a "non-faithful" Shepard. In a nutshell: they didn't convince me to go back to him. I do like him, though. Well, it was more of a note to the poster. Me? I only ever wanted Kaidan. The romance with a "faithful" Shep has some subtle differences as well as some different lines and altered scenes (like when he requests to rejoin the Normandy -- I'm sure some know what I mean.) You really are rewarded for sticking with him. Kaidan....Anders....Spirit I'm thinking you have a type. Who is your choice in DAO and DAI?
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Post by yan on Aug 17, 2016 11:43:25 GMT
I agree with VS in Horizon. I never asked to work with genocidal terrorists Bioware .
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 17, 2016 16:54:11 GMT
Well I'm glad I could help even though I said... some... things... that you didn't need to know. *coughs* I'll just stop talking. Ok, so I'm more or less halfway through, and the Coup has come and gone, and Shepard's had a few chats with Kaidan where he has apologised very sweetly. I do agree with what you had written earlier, it is of course, totally justified to distrust Cerberus, I have no issue with that. My issue was with how he expressed it, and how quickly he judged Shepard on both Horizon and Mars. But I think he redeemed himself very promptly and very well after that, so my Shepard was willing to forgive him ultimately. As a friend. I suppose it's just a matter of personal taste. I'm sure if I liked Kaidan enough, I would be more willing to overlook his outburst on Horizon. As it is, I like him and I think he's very well-meaning, but my Shepard's just more of a Garrus person.
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Post by dalinne on Aug 17, 2016 19:12:45 GMT
Ok, so I'm more or less halfway through, and the Coup has come and gone, and Shepard's had a few chats with Kaidan where he has apologised very sweetly. I do agree with what you had written earlier, it is of course, totally justified to distrust Cerberus, I have no issue with that. My issue was with how he expressed it, and how quickly he judged Shepard on both Horizon and Mars. But I think he redeemed himself very promptly and very well after that, so my Shepard was willing to forgive him ultimately. As a friend. I suppose it's just a matter of personal taste. I'm sure if I liked Kaidan enough, I would be more willing to overlook his outburst on Horizon. As it is, I like him and I think he's very well-meaning, but my Shepard's just more of a Garrus person. My Shepard(s) are more in Garrus type too I guess the most badass woman in the Galaxy needs the most badass man
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 17, 2016 19:24:22 GMT
Well, it was more of a note to the poster. Me? I only ever wanted Kaidan. The romance with a "faithful" Shep has some subtle differences as well as some different lines and altered scenes (like when he requests to rejoin the Normandy -- I'm sure some know what I mean.) You really are rewarded for sticking with him. Kaidan....Anders....Spirit I'm thinking you have a type. Who is your choice in DAO and DAI? Haha, oh I've thought about this too. And I think I might be hopeless. Alistair is my favorite for DAO and Cullen(/Dorian) for DAI -- but I did Solas first and he's a canon... I still haven't done Sera or Josephine yet, though I doubt that will change anything.
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 17, 2016 20:36:31 GMT
My Shepard(s) are more in Garrus type too I guess the most badass woman in the Galaxy needs the most badass man It's funny, I don't usually go for badass-type people, but I do like Garrus. He feels seasoned and pragmatic, quite a good fit for my Shepard.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 17, 2016 20:43:47 GMT
Well I'm glad I could help even though I said... some... things... that you didn't need to know. *coughs* I'll just stop talking. Ok, so I'm more or less halfway through, and the Coup has come and gone, and Shepard's had a few chats with Kaidan where he has apologised very sweetly. I do agree with what you had written earlier, it is of course, totally justified to distrust Cerberus, I have no issue with that. My issue was with how he expressed it, and how quickly he judged Shepard on both Horizon and Mars. But I think he redeemed himself very promptly and very well after that, so my Shepard was willing to forgive him ultimately. As a friend. I suppose it's just a matter of personal taste. I'm sure if I liked Kaidan enough, I would be more willing to overlook his outburst on Horizon. As it is, I like him and I think he's very well-meaning, but my Shepard's just more of a Garrus person.Yes, well, a lot of people are. I'm just not one of them. I just don't see Garrus as more than a BFF. (Except that one Shep I have who loves him romantically. ) Because I'm curious: did you romance Garrus in 2?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 21:07:19 GMT
Kaidan....Anders....Spirit I'm thinking you have a type. Who is your choice in DAO and DAI? Haha, oh I've thought about this too. And I think I might be hopeless. Alistair is my favorite for DAO and Cullen(/Dorian) for DAI -- but I did Solas first and he's a canon... I still haven't done Sera or Josephine yet, though I doubt that will change anything. Alistair and Cullen? I'm shocked! Nah but seriously, BioWare does make pretty great guys with a softer side. I get it, I fell pretty hard for Alistair in my first DAO run.
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 17, 2016 21:34:38 GMT
Yes, well, a lot of people are. I'm just not one of them. I just don't see Garrus as more than a BFF. (Except that one Shep I have who loves him romantically. ) Because I'm curious: did you romance Garrus in 2? Yes I did... Why?
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 17, 2016 21:39:37 GMT
Yes, well, a lot of people are. I'm just not one of them. I just don't see Garrus as more than a BFF. (Except that one Shep I have who loves him romantically. ) Because I'm curious: did you romance Garrus in 2? Yes I did... Why? Just curious.
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 17, 2016 22:33:56 GMT
Just curious. I liked Garrus from the start, even in ME1, but unfortunately couldn't romance him then. I thought Kaidan was sweet, so he was naturally my other choice. Looking back, I should have just not romanced anyone in ME1, and spared both Shepard and Kaidan the angst.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Aug 17, 2016 22:52:00 GMT
Just curious. I liked Garrus from the start, even in ME1, but unfortunately couldn't romance him then. I thought Kaidan was sweet, so he was naturally my other choice. Looking back, I should have just not romanced anyone in ME1, and spared both Shepard and Kaidan the angst. Ha. I had the same thought when I did my Garrusmance---but Liara, she's a ninajmancing master. Me: Sorry, Liara, I'm not interested. Liara: Ok, Shepard, I understand. Me: Sorry, Kaidan, I'm not interested. Kaidan: Ok, Shepard, I understand. ~X missions later~ Me: Hi Liara, what's up? Liara: I'm so glad you returned my feelings. Me: Yeah...Wait, what? Liara: I love you so much. Me: ... Liara: We'll be so happy together! Me: *can't refuse romance* I had to backtrack quite a ways in the game to prevent that because there wasn't a way to "break up" with her, and ended up doing Kaidan again which I really didn't want to do. No means No, Liara. Being a single Shep isn't easy. Funny thing is I have a similar problem with Leliana in every playthrough. I tell her "No" and then three conversations later she's accusing me of leading her on, because obviously I romanced someone else. This is only avoided by actually romancing her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 23:03:24 GMT
I liked Garrus from the start, even in ME1, but unfortunately couldn't romance him then. I thought Kaidan was sweet, so he was naturally my other choice. Looking back, I should have just not romanced anyone in ME1, and spared both Shepard and Kaidan the angst. Ha. I had the same thought when I did my Garrusmance---but Liara, she's a ninajmancing master. Me: Sorry, Liara, I'm not interested. Liara: Ok, Shepard, I understand. Me: Sorry, Kaidan, I'm not interested. Kaidan: Ok, Shepard, I understand. ~X missions later~ Me: Hi Liara, what's up? Liara: I'm so glad you returned my feelings. Me: Yeah...Wait, what? Liara: I love you so much. Me:... Liara: We'll be so happy together! Me: *can't refuse romance* I had to backtrack quite a ways in the game to prevent that because there wasn't a way to "break up" with her, and ended up doing Kaidan again which I really didn't want to do. No means No, Liara. Being a single Shep isn't easy. Funny thing is I have a similar problem with Leliana in every playthrough. I tell her "No" and then three conversations later she's accusing me of leading her on, because obviously I romanced someone else. This is only avoided by actually romancing her. Ashley is a ninja-mancing queen. Unless you're rude to her onboard the Normandy she thinks you're in a relationship. Luckily I resolved that awkward situation by nuking her into oblivion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 23:07:05 GMT
Ha. I had the same thought when I did my Garrusmance---but Liara, she's a ninajmancing master. Me: Sorry, Liara, I'm not interested. Liara: Ok, Shepard, I understand. Me: Sorry, Kaidan, I'm not interested. Kaidan: Ok, Shepard, I understand. ~X missions later~ Me: Hi Liara, what's up? Liara: I'm so glad you returned my feelings. Me: Yeah...Wait, what? Liara: I love you so much. Me:... Liara: We'll be so happy together! Me: *can't refuse romance* I had to backtrack quite a ways in the game to prevent that because there wasn't a way to "break up" with her, and ended up doing Kaidan again which I really didn't want to do. No means No, Liara. Being a single Shep isn't easy. Ashley is a ninja-mancing queen. Unless you're rude to her onboard the Normandy she thinks you're in a relationship. Luckily I resolved that awkward situation by nuking her into oblivion.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Aug 17, 2016 23:14:40 GMT
I'm not going to get into a Kaidan/Garrus bashing contest, because I truly love both. Kaidan is just my preference. Therefore I give my nod to him. We're not fanatical btw. That can be said for fans of either, but not all. I think the more correct term would be loyal to Kaidan. But that can be said of Garrus' fans as well. As far as Horizon, Shepard doesn't really get an option to explain anything to Kaidan. It's pretty poorly done, that scene. I think it was done that way to purposely provoke feelings of anger/hurt and in that, it succeeds. For any further Kaidan discussion, I'll be in the Kaidan specific thread Have fun with whichever you choose OP. Because they are both worth it!
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Post by saberchic on Aug 17, 2016 23:16:08 GMT
Ha. I had the same thought when I did my Garrusmance---but Liara, she's a ninajmancing master. *snip* I had to backtrack quite a ways in the game to prevent that because there wasn't a way to "break up" with her, and ended up doing Kaidan again which I really didn't want to do. No means No, Liara. Being a single Shep isn't easy. Funny thing is I have a similar problem with Leliana in every playthrough. I tell her "No" and then three conversations later she's accusing me of leading her on, because obviously I romanced someone else. This is only avoided by actually romancing her. Ashley is a ninja-mancing queen. Unless you're rude to her onboard the Normandy she thinks you're in a relationship. Luckily I resolved that awkward situation by nuking her into oblivion. So much for romances being "optional." I feel your pain. I've had to have the "No Ash, we're not together talk" too.
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