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Post by naychan on Feb 24, 2017 20:28:08 GMT
I know, I'm part of that segment of the fanbase so I have the exact same concerns. I'm just taking the same tact I did with the ME3 ending leak and waiting until the game actually releases before I get angry. Yeah but I'm sure you can see that it's a bit annoying from our point of view for them to say "Wait until you buy the game, m/m fans." while literally every other orientation knows they get a squad mate romance now. Why would they make m/m fans the only ones who have to wait? That is what concerns/annoys people. If you're gonna say everyone wait for the game to see, actually mean everyone.They don't talk about it because they know their answers are not good for us. And after these answers, we will not buy the game. I don't want to cancel the pre-order. But I feel as bioware spat in my face. We already had people for male Shepard. So I'm not interested in Liam. It does not matter how good the NPC romances, for me. Cuz they are humans. Why is it always gets the girls? Why do I have to play fem for alien? And if we have bi in the squad, they are all female? What?lolwut
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 24, 2017 20:28:57 GMT
I just want to vote for no more daddy/mommy issues for any squadmate. That dead horse, regardless of LI status, has been pulverized now. ... Oh bugger, there goes the credibility of my 'Volus with daddy issues' character in the Mass Effect Roleplay thread My amateur writing aspirations crushed...
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Post by zaefkol on Feb 24, 2017 20:30:21 GMT
In honor of this thread reaching 100 pages, I vote that Bioware go back and add enough new LIs to the game so that every orientation has 100 options.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 20:32:08 GMT
The GI quote means there won't be the same number of options (which were actually never present in Bioware games), not necessarily about not having a gay/bi male squadmate. I'm not quite sure what you mean? Are you saying that's what we are basing us knowing every other orientation has a squad mate on?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 20:32:18 GMT
Except they are not. Alistair is roguish, boyish and charming with deep-seated "I am a bastard" issues. He is extremely unprofessional. If he were, he'd be leading as a senior warden, not let a gal just admitted to the order do the ordering around. He sinks into a deep depression after Dunkan's death. He dumps a non-human female on assuming the throne, because he is so insecure. Nothing literally stops him from a passionate unlawful revenge kill. Have no idea about Cullen, and Blackwall, but from what I read, Solas is a walking time-bomb of some sort, so he is unnaturally unemotional (if he is, I have not played it yet). Is not Blackwall some sort of a renegade who betrayed people also? Jacob is trying to be cool & professional, but he is not. He also commits a patricide in front of you, not exactly an act of a rational man. he makes a mess from his personal life, jumping from Miranda, to the PC, to Brianne in space of two years. Certainly not one woman's man. Garrus is a vagabond to start with, a guy who can't even hold his job because he can't conform to the rules, cannot stand the red tape, etc. Yes, he has a wonderfully soothing voice, but you find him in a shoot-out with all the gangs on Omega. He is as rebellious as any rogue that took to smuggling. he is also willing to share a story or two from his colorful past about his ex (he was not engaged to, just had kinky sex). Thane is a spiritual child-assassin who used children to gather intel for him in the past, left his family because he was simply unsuited for a quiet domestic bliss... and would do anything to keep his son from taking up the same career. If he was a calm, proud professional, he'd be still happily married and training his son to inherit the métier... You, guys, are trying to find clichés where there is none... You're using specific actions and situations in the game you show diversity, but we're just talking about personality. Yes, they are their own individual characters with unique backgrounds and experiences, but what unites them all is that calm cool professional personality typical of a straight guy romances. Or that sexual deviance of a bi character. Or that rowdy rebellious personality of gay characters. Jacob and Alistair has sexual deviances. Alistar's the most serious ones I have seen to date in the Bio games, tbh. Garrus has rowdy rebelliousness.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 20:34:44 GMT
I just want to vote for no more daddy/mommy issues for any squadmate. That dead horse, regardless of LI status, has been pulverized now. There is so many of them too, for all orientations. There are plenty of ways of doing drama and backstory for a LI without that one being used as much. The dead spouse/girlfriend is up there (Thane, Carth, Jaheria, Cortez, Zevran) but I'm very tired of the parental issues as well. That I can agree with. We need a new source of drama and unrest. I think that's why I enjoyed Garrus' arcs so much. He didn't get along with his father well, but doesn't spend a lot of ME1 talking about it. I liked that his personal quest in ME1 focused around dealing with a big regret from his C-Sec days. In ME2 he doesn't really mention his father IIRC. Instead, they decided to go with the revenge angle instead. I really want to see more of that in the future, especially for the LIs.
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Post by amoebae † on Feb 24, 2017 20:34:51 GMT
I just want to vote for no more daddy/mommy issues for any squadmate. That dead horse, regardless of LI status, has been pulverized now. There is so many of them too, for all orientations. There are plenty of ways of doing drama and backstory for a LI without that one being used as much. The dead spouse/girlfriend is up there (Thane, Carth, Jaheria, Cortez, Zevran) but I'm very tired of the parental issues as well. Considering our father is the pathfinder to begin with, I think it's pretty clear we're going to be the one with the daddy issues this time around. BioWare? Make a game without daddy issues? Impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 20:34:59 GMT
Happy 100 pages romance thread! ...kind of Romance thread hits 100 pages the day MEA goes gold! Hopefully a good sign for those worried about squad mate romances
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2017 20:36:23 GMT
The GI quote means there won't be the same number of options (which were actually never present in Bioware games), not necessarily about not having a gay/bi male squadmate. I'm not quite sure what you mean? Are you saying that's what we are basing us knowing every other orientation has a squad mate on? No, I just state my opinion of not basing too much on that quote, since I saw someone worried because of that. I know people are worried for other things that came out in the last day/s.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 20:38:56 GMT
I just want to vote for no more daddy/mommy issues for any squadmate. That dead horse, regardless of LI status, has been pulverized now. There is so many of them too, for all orientations. There are plenty of ways of doing drama and backstory for a LI without that one being used as much. The dead spouse/girlfriend is up there (Thane, Carth, Jaheria, Cortez, Zevran) but I'm very tired of the parental issues as well. Considering our father is the pathfinder to begin with, I think it's pretty clear we're going to be the one with the daddy issues this time around. BioWare? Make a game without daddy issues? Impossible. I don't mind it for the main character this time. That doesn't bother me. I just don't want it for a companion. I get your meaning though. BioWare does have a habit of making many of their characters have some sort of parental/family issues. You know it's bad when there is a LI trophy called "Cats in the Cradle" (Thane) for Odin's sake.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 24, 2017 20:39:57 GMT
In honor of this thread reaching 100 pages, I vote that Bioware go back and add enough new LIs to the game so that every orientation has 100 options. Game delayed to 2022, sorry about that...
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Post by Suaimhneas on Feb 24, 2017 20:40:44 GMT
I really hope the M/M LI has a unique face this time. Cortez's look was so uninspired, he blended in with every other common NPC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 20:41:58 GMT
Also, well, Jaal certainly wears very bright colors, and he is marked as a Resistance Fighter. So, would not he conform to a stereotype, were he bi or gay, and a non-cliché, if he were straight if you follow that odd line of argument? Which I, again, disagree with.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 20:42:03 GMT
In honor of this thread reaching 100 pages, I vote that Bioware go back and add enough new LIs to the game so that every orientation has 100 options. Game delayed to 2022, sorry about that... Oh goodness, I can picture the fans now.
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Post by Kimberly on Feb 24, 2017 20:51:51 GMT
Game delayed to 2022, sorry about that... Oh goodness, I can picture the fans now. Omg that gif
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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 20:52:42 GMT
Oh goodness, I can picture the fans now. Omg that gif It's from the 80s movie "Scanners." A horror/sci-fi cult classic.
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Post by Kimberly on Feb 24, 2017 20:54:48 GMT
Omg that gif It's from the 80s movie "Scanners." A horror/sci-fi cult classic. Yeah I've more than likely seen that movie. I'm in that age bracket. If I have it's probably been since the 80s. I love those types of movies.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 24, 2017 20:57:26 GMT
Hopefully not opening up the old wound. The quote was from Game Informer article: This does raise some red flags for me. But again, the whole sentences are quite loaded. They can mean a lot of things. It raises red flags because it sounds like pre-emptive BS excuse. They say this and then it's looking like just as usual and expected the straight guys get every female squadmate possible and then some more, girls get the male squamdates (but of course not as much as the straight guys), Asari are once again pimped all over and 'the gays' are relegated to NPCs on lower levels. Once again they may have simply did what they fancied most themselves, not what "made sense" and balance my butt. Feel absolutely free to prove me completly wrong though Bioware, make me eat crow, apologize for doubting etc.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 24, 2017 21:00:00 GMT
Also, well, Jaal certainly wears very bright colors, and he is marked as a Resistance Fighter. So, would not he conform to a stereotype, were he bi or gay, and a non-cliché, if he were straight if you follow that odd line of argument? Which I, again, disagree with. The only hope I have for Jaal being bi is that exactly, his suit and skin have the bisexual pride flag colors
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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 21:02:11 GMT
I heard David Gaider say almost the exact same words about characters and sexuality during the dev cycle for DA:I. Both of the romance options for gay/bisexual male Inquisitors were squadmates. I know there was some big complaints about both of them for various reasons, but they weren't relegated to NPCs. So I wouldn't give up all hope just yet.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 24, 2017 21:04:10 GMT
THIS
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 24, 2017 21:06:01 GMT
I heard David Gaider say almost the exact same words during the dev cycle for DA:I. Both of the romance options for gay/bisexual male Inquisitors were squadmates. I know there was some big complaints about both of them for various reasons, but they weren't relegated to NPCs. So I wouldn't give up all hope just yet. And I heard Mac Walters say how great ME3 endings will be.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 24, 2017 21:06:11 GMT
THIS I'm going to make him the face of a straight pride flag if he ain't bi. That'll soothe my bitterness lmao.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 24, 2017 21:17:39 GMT
Except they are not. Alistair is roguish, boyish and charming with deep-seated "I am a bastard" issues. He is extremely unprofessional. If he were, he'd be leading as a senior warden, not let a gal just admitted to the order do the ordering around. He sinks into a deep depression after Dunkan's death. He dumps a non-human female on assuming the throne, because he is so insecure. Nothing literally stops him from a passionate unlawful revenge kill. If I had to describe him in one word, it would be "insecure". Have no idea about Cullen, and Blackwall, but from what I read, Solas is a walking time-bomb of some sort, so he is unnaturally unemotional (if he is, I have not played it yet). Is not Blackwall some sort of a renegade who betrayed people also? Jacob is trying to be cool & professional, but he is not. He also commits a patricide in front of you, not exactly an act of a rational man. he makes a mess from his personal life, jumping from Miranda, to the PC, to Brianne in space of two years. Certainly not one woman's man. How many Isabela's lovers do you get to meet and greet? Shepard meets two of Jacob's lovers... Garrus is a vagabond to start with, a guy who can't even hold his job because he can't conform to the rules, cannot stand the red tape, etc. Yes, he has a wonderfully soothing voice, but you find him in a shoot-out with all the gangs on Omega, sheepishly confessing that he has... miscalculated when he hit a beehive with a stick. He is as rebellious as any rogue that took to smuggling. he is also willing to share a story or two from his colorful past about his ex (he was not engaged to, just had kinky sex). Thane is a spiritual child-assassin who used children to gather intel for him in the past, left his family because he was simply unsuited for a quiet domestic bliss... and would do anything to keep his son from taking up the same career. If he was a calm, proud professional, he'd be still happily married and training his son to inherit the métier... You, guys, are trying to find clichés where there is none... Did you see Cullen in DAO, DA2. He is a Templar, so lyrium addict. In Ferelden Circle he tortured by the demons, and in DA2 he did see more demons, abominations and blood mages, plus his glorified Commander become mad. Massive PTSD. He afraid from mages, but he can overcome this, and working without hatred. Yes, he's professional, and I think he's a KISA. All people, even a KISA have past, and not perfect. Would nice for me. Blackwall? You will see. He also have past. But he's also a protective type. Solas not walking bomb. Solas have god-complex... but he's not KISA, he story-wise. These are not perfect, nobody said that, but some of them (you're right, not all of them) embodies a type. According of many people these characters does not make sense that being gay / bi, and it hurts many gay/bi people. (I wanted Garrus. I always liked Garrus types. I like rebels, who hates burokracy, and can't confirm the rules. And he's a good friend.)
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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 21:18:31 GMT
I heard David Gaider say almost the exact same words during the dev cycle for DA:I. Both of the romance options for gay/bisexual male Inquisitors were squadmates. I know there was some big complaints about both of them for various reasons, but they weren't relegated to NPCs. So I wouldn't give up all hope just yet. And I heard Mac Walters say how great ME3 endings will be. I'm not trying to defend the past mistakes of the MET at all. So please don't mistake me there. People can change. It's been, what, around 6-7 years since he said that about ME3? I'm not asking you to forgive and forget, only to try to see the potential that things might have gotten better. I don't blame you for being pessimistic one bit. I was late to the ME party (played the first time in 2014,) but I'm very familiar with the history. Including stuff about the ME team saying that Shepard couldn't get gay and things like that. I also let out a blunt, "What the fuck, BioWare" when I played the series and found out that Cortez just had to be the seconder widower LI(in the last game in a trilogy about war). And while he's a kickass character, they went and made him an NPC. It annoyed me that they had to make him "tragic," a trend that I still see in BW gay/bisexual male love interests up to this day. Including Bull with PTSD and Dorian with his dad. If I'm wrong and Mac is the same ol' guy, I'll speak up and state in polite terms how much I think that decision is a horrible one. I don't like and won't tolerate threats or constant name calling of the devs (I didn't like it long before I became a mod,) but I have zero problems being critical of the company and the decisions they take. I'm choosing to error on the side of very cautious hope for now.
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