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Post by lurkinganon on Feb 25, 2017 23:18:36 GMT
Well at least he understands a little bit. That particular question probably won't help us, though, because I'm feeling pretty sure the answer is "no", so he won't comment on it anyway. But it's something. Exactly, I feel a little bit better now he saw my tweet regardless, if there aren't a single squadmate for us, maybe in the next game they will do their homeworks, after ME3 I thought that was a learnt lesson Many lessons had to be learned after ME3, in some cases relearned. But to their credit they seem to be doing well on that front.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 25, 2017 23:20:42 GMT
We've gone from DA:I where David and Jessica went to gaymer conventions saying "you get a romance, you get a romance" to...whatever this is. This doesn't feel nearly as good. While I wouldn't agree with the decision taken if the leaks are true, the teams and IPs are different. Expecting the two games to necessarily have certain features and content across both will lead to disappointment.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 25, 2017 23:20:46 GMT
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Post by Suaimhneas on Feb 25, 2017 23:22:41 GMT
Sorry, your Twitter profile pic distracted me Looks like the ME team is doing more than we thought for M/M romances
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 23:24:05 GMT
Erin Kane@aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace @tibermoon As a lesbian and a diehard ME fan I really agree. This is upsetting. Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace Apologies, but I don't understand why. With a single exception, we haven't confirmed what options are > Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon@aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace available for ANY player, regardless of orientation. We want everyone to discover the romances naturally, > Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon@aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace but we're not trying to keep the LGBT community any more in the dark than anyone else. Apologies if it > Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace seems that way. Nick KnightⓋnickclark89 @tibermoon @aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace it's given that there will be gay romances ofc, we want to know about gay romances in the squad. Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon nickclark89 @aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace Gotcha, that makes sense. I can't really comment on leaks/rumors, but that does help me > Ian S. Frazier @tibermoonnickclark89 @aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace understand a bit better, so thank you.
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Post by megs80 on Feb 25, 2017 23:24:33 GMT
The advancing pessimist in me is saying that the unknown M/M "romance" will be in the form of a big alien bartender at some seedy space tavern buried deep within the recesses of an equally seedy town, who'll rail you in the back room for fun because you have a willing hole and then tell you to get the hell out. ...ok, that would be pretty hot, actually.But seriously, I'm really hoping for at least one M/M romance that's lengthy and meaningful. I'm still boycotting if there are no M/M options in the squad (aka the main cast), but for the sake of those who want a gay male romance and are still going to play...it's all riding on you, Gil. Dex? (Squints) Star wars reference...or just me seeing Star Wars everywhere.... ah well I'll take it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 23:26:39 GMT
We've gone from DA:I where David and Jessica went to gaymer conventions saying "you get a romance, you get a romance" to...whatever this is. This doesn't feel nearly as good. While I wouldn't agree with the decision taken if the leaks are true, the teams and IPs are different. Expecting the two games to necessarily have certain features and content across both will lead to disappointment. I don't expect anything really at this point, just saying of the two marketing strategies I prefer the first. I really don't get why they changed it up so much either. DAI was their best launch (BioWare I mean).
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Post by ash on Feb 25, 2017 23:27:06 GMT
I'd rather they just be blunt honestly and let people work out their disappointment before launch, rather than it polluting their experience with the game. But dont you prefer experiencing crushing disappointment in real time instead of being able to brace for it?! Nah, the point is that swtor team did that with preemptive lie (it's gonna be great, it's cool, it can do that and that) and half of their words turned out to be... not that truthful. And they continue to lie, even when they are losing their playerbase and most of their players are openly expressing that they are not happy with the new system. Meanwhile, ME:A team actually isn't exactly saying anything. It's all about "can't tell you that, can't tell you that". For example, it would be similar to TOR situation if Ian said "you're getting a gay/bi male squadmate" and then there will be none. Or "Gil is getting as much lines as [x] squadmate, including banter ones" and then there will be 3x times less. But Ian evades straight answers. And I'd prefer that over TOR politics on those things, with Ian being elusive, but not exactly lying on 100% until the game is released.
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 25, 2017 23:27:30 GMT
We've gone from DA:I where David and Jessica went to gaymer conventions saying "you get a romance, you get a romance" to...whatever this is. This doesn't feel nearly as good. Seriously? Talk about marketing efficient pandering... I guess it didn't pay off as much as they calculated, then. Sorry, I'm rather cynical when it comes to stuff like that, I know far too much about the industry to EVER think anything like that is "honest" or "genuine" from any developer...
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Post by Rouccoco on Feb 25, 2017 23:28:58 GMT
But they won't. They'll say "Sorry, we aren't talking about romances" to the next person who asks them about m/m content. Then they'll turn around and do some fucking stupid "all the banging" comment with a Jimmy Fallon gif about Vetra or something. Tone. Deaf. "We want the players to naturally explore the romances, but look at Cora kissing Scott and Peebee literally jumping on him." I was really looking forward to Andromeda. I like the setting, the combat seems great, the game looks pretty. And then I read here that maybe we're getting less than we did in ME3. No squad romances, probably only one bigger romance (Gil), and only fade-to-black scenes. After all of the talk about diversity (like the GDC talk given by a BW Montreal employee, no less), I feel like I've been lied to. I thought after the "no homo" trilogy debacle or thanks to a largely new team, we wouldn't have to go through that again. But apparently a game set in the future will ironically be yet again a few years behind Dragon Age.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 25, 2017 23:30:11 GMT
While I wouldn't agree with the decision taken if the leaks are true, the teams and IPs are different. Expecting the two games to necessarily have certain features and content across both will lead to disappointment. I don't expect anything really at this point, just saying of the two marketing strategies I prefer the first. I really don't get why they changed it up so much either. DAI was their best launch (BioWare I mean). Putting aside the romance part, DAI marketing was criticized for showing too much as well as showing parts of the game that were cut. MEA mignt've gone too far in the opposite direction...but Bioware is known for doing this type of things, although before it was about features.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 23:30:13 GMT
We've gone from DA:I where David and Jessica went to gaymer conventions saying "you get a romance, you get a romance" to...whatever this is. This doesn't feel nearly as good. Seriously? Talk about marketing efficient pandering... I guess it didn't pay off as much as they calculated, then. Sorry, I'm rather cynical when it comes to stuff like that, I know far too much about the industry to EVER think anything like that is "honest" or "genuine" from any developer... They seemed to enjoy it a great deal. Patrick Weekes and his wife both went along and they didn't even have a speaking engagement. I'm not saying it wasn't part of the job, but if they didn't enjoy it they are amazingly good actors.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Feb 25, 2017 23:34:04 GMT
Guys, Ian answered me! Again the husssshhhhh but you know... better than nothing At least he responded and understands better. Though, I'm not sure if his answer makes me feel any better... Thanks for asking anyway.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 25, 2017 23:34:43 GMT
Dr.Lexi's VA video. It's how Peebee meet Scott/Sara, Mac Walters mentioned the scene months ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 23:35:34 GMT
I don't expect anything really at this point, just saying of the two marketing strategies I prefer the first. I really don't get why they changed it up so much either. DAI was their best launch (BioWare I mean). Putting aside the romance part, DAI marketing was criticized for showing too much as well as showing parts of the game that were cut. MEA mignt've gone too far in the opposite direction...but Bioware is known for doing this type of things, although before it was about features. Yes, many companies seem to go too far when correcting minor issues. However, they could have been pretty open with romance options and still not shown much of the actual story important footage. I agree about the cut content issue though. It was a bad idea to introduce big new game mechanics when you are still in alpha.
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Post by Reznore on Feb 25, 2017 23:40:38 GMT
They seemed to enjoy it a great deal. Patrick Weekes and his wife both went along and they didn't even have a speaking engagement. I'm not saying it wasn't part of the job, but if they didn't enjoy it they are amazingly good actors. You have different people working at Bioware. DAI had Gaider , and Patrick Weekes is pro LGBT , the Weekes couple from what I've heard were the ones pushing for gay content in ME3. Now it's not exactly the same team as ME3, and MEA has lots of people from DA ...so I would not jump to conclusion yet. I would be surprised if there's no main squad romance for gay men honestly. The Marketing of Bioware is crap and make them look like the worst hypocrite ever since well forever..."this is why we came" *wink wink* to their main audience. We don't talk about romances , buy the guide. Bioware, please.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 23:43:45 GMT
They seemed to enjoy it a great deal. Patrick Weekes and his wife both went along and they didn't even have a speaking engagement. I'm not saying it wasn't part of the job, but if they didn't enjoy it they are amazingly good actors. You have different people working at Bioware. DAI had Gaider , and Patrick Weekes is pro LGBT , the Weekes couple from what I've heard were the ones pushing for gay content in ME3. Now it's not exactly the same team as ME3, and MEA has lots of people from DA ...so I would not jump to conclusion yet. I would be surprised if there's no main squad romance for gay men honestly. The Marketing of Bioware is crap and make they look like the worst hypocrite ever since well forever..."this is why we came" *wink wink* to their main audience. We don't talk about romances , buy the guide. Bioware, please. Yes! I feel really good about the next Dragon Age game. Patrick Weekes is a great writer and supporter of LGBT content. I don't suspect I'd be this stressed at any point for the series as long as he's head writer.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2017 23:44:32 GMT
(Squints) Star wars reference...or just me seeing Star Wars everywhere.... ah well I'll take it You are correct.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 25, 2017 23:45:13 GMT
Dr.Lexi's VA video. It's how Peebee meet Scott/Sara, Mac Walters mentioned the scene months ago. Just watched and though she may very well be a li For ryder(probably) it doesn't strike me as a romance moment in of itself. It's more showcasing peebee's as wacky.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 25, 2017 23:47:57 GMT
Many lessons had to be learned after ME3, in some cases relearned. But to their credit they seem to be doing well on that front. Nothing's confirmed one way or another. Hopefully the lessons learnt from ME3 they focused on concerned: - shitty autodialogued "emotional" Shepard with barebone 2 dialogue options in almost every conversations - extremly forgiving balance, even Insanity was very easy - overabundance of walk-by popup fetch quests in the main Hub - lack of Hub space variety in general - heavily unsatisfactionary ending, especially regarding all the War Assets collected throughout the game - weak or non-existant Choices & Consequences in multiple cases and resolutions regarding many major transferred decisions from ME1 & ME2 like the Council, Rachni Queen, Collector Base - child actors are bad, never hire them, ever, don't make them deliver the most important dialogue in the game's plot - lack of player agency within the environment and minimal world interaction, even the hacking mini games got removed leaving nothing to do in many missions other than shooting - terrible Journal that didn't update half the time and mixed together even the least important fetch-quests with major missions Instead of: - few dudebros complained about squadmate Kaidan hitting on them
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Post by byne on Feb 25, 2017 23:48:59 GMT
Dr.Lexi's VA video. It's how Peebee meet Scott/Sara, Mac Walters mentioned the scene months ago. Just watched and though she may very well be a li For ryder(probably) it doesn't strike me as a romance moment in of itself. It's more showcasing peebee's as wacky. I'm really hoping Peebee isnt Sera 2.0, but nothing they've done so far has inspired any great confidence about that. I saw someone mentioning she lives in an escape pod. If she's like Sera, I might have to play a fun prank and jettison it.
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Post by megs80 on Feb 25, 2017 23:49:16 GMT
Erin Kane@aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace @tibermoon As a lesbian and a diehard ME fan I really agree. This is upsetting. Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace Apologies, but I don't understand why. With a single exception, we haven't confirmed what options are > Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon@aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace available for ANY player, regardless of orientation. We want everyone to discover the romances naturally, > Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon@aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace but we're not trying to keep the LGBT community any more in the dark than anyone else. Apologies if it > Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @aloudernoise @lesbianlovelace seems that way. I really hope that Erin Kane replied with her explanation. It's absolutely unbelievable to me that Ian can not understand why a group of fans who got royally screwed in the past (lesbians actually being one of the groups that DIDN'T get screwed) are nervous and just want confirmation. I can understand wanting to do the coy "Wait and see" thing. But when your fan base asks you every single day about something and have indicated that it's something that they are nervous about, why not just give them what they want? It's really tone-deaf and I don't see why he doesn't just address it. Especially since he seems to be getting annoyed. Just say, "I hear you, fans! Here's Gil! He's interesting getting to know Scott better!" or something like that. It's simple and it would go a long way. Sure there would still be some people who aren't happy with that, but it would just get a lot of the negative feelings out and maybe shift critical mass in the right direction. At this point having stated so frequently that they won't be releasing that pre-launch they may be concerned with going back on that... appearing to buckle under pressure/criticism? The time to release it (officially at least) has come and gone I fear. Seems both devs and fans are going to end up white knuckling it til launch at least on this subject .
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Dr.Lexi's VA video. It's how Peebee meet Scott/Sara, Mac Walters mentioned the scene months ago. Just watched and though she may very well be a li For ryder(probably) it doesn't strike me as a romance moment in of itself. It's more showcasing peebee's as wacky. That scene is an "invading my personal space" kind of situation, and this is Bioware, come on. I prefer the embrace the eternity of Liara to the Hello I'm Peebee and I like being on top of you, because I'm a quirky and crazy person
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 25, 2017 23:53:31 GMT
They could just stop responding to people asking about romances lol. But they won't. They'll say "Sorry, we aren't talking about romances" to the next person who asks them about m/m content. Then they'll turn around and do some fucking stupid "all the banging" comment with a Jimmy Fallon gif about Vetra or something. Tone. Deaf. Guys, Ian answered me! Again the husssshhhhh but you know... better than nothing Well at least he understands a little bit. That particular question probably won't help us, though, because I'm feeling pretty sure the answer is "no", so he won't comment on it anyway. But it's something. I sent him a tweet a few days ago that specifically said "Leaks say gay Scott gets no squadmate or alien LI's. if true that's impressively disappointing". Don't see how he couldn't have understood after that, unless he never saw it.
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