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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 26, 2017 11:44:53 GMT
Again, this is just a ~semi-confirmation of the Sara-Jaal. This doesn't imply that Scott can't have him. Using their "has to makes sense" argument Jaal is a perfect candidate for...pathfinding. PB is lore lesbian. Cora could be, she spent 4 years with the asari. Liam is still a 50-50. Ultimately it will come down to a gay vs straight women battle. But his is a squad design 'fault', putting more female members in the team and one unlikely (Drack) option. No arguments against Dorian, I liked him. Cortez could have worked if they merge him with Vega. He was a pointless squadmate, would have preferred a returning one from 2 instead. VegaCortez: self blaming for the failed mission (choosing the intel over him - extra drama!), guilt over losing the husband instead of the constant crying. Mild hate against Shep for not defeating to collectors sooner. etc. Just imagine a midgame-midromance sparring session similar to the Vega start. Affection mixed with the blaming. Now that would have been an interesting character! I like your argument, and I agree Jaal is a perfect candidate for bi squad mate. Yes, Steve romance bothers me a bit. It feels inappropriate how I approach him when he still mourns his husband. Still in ME3, I am happy with Kaidan romance. About Vega, he's an established character in ME:Homeworld, Paragon Lost, and Conviction. So I am not sure if his sexuality is already established in these or not. Steve would have been great had he been introduced as a non-romance crew member in 2, during which he'd be on the Normandy as he loses his husband and his ME3 plot of getting over that took place over the course of THAT game instead. Then he could have joined you in 3 as an established friend (and now romance option, if you helped him in 2) of Shepard's, with grieving already done with. But, you know, hindsight.
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Post by Panda on Feb 26, 2017 11:58:28 GMT
I'm the kind of player who needs to know my options before playing the game. Other-wise it's just failure after failure for me lol If I had to go into game blind without knowing who to romance I guess I'd have to do flirt!Ryder playthrough and just flirt with everyone and look what sticks- or is everyone going to murder me for cheating on them. Still I want to know so I can actually plan my characters before hand, that's my way of playing. I'm not that big of hurry though since I'll probably get the game later with some bugs patched and price reduced. I have lot of games waiting for playing and although I'm excited about ME:A it can wait.
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Dropping this here since it has to do with romances/flings:
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Post by davkar on Feb 26, 2017 12:13:03 GMT
I like your argument, and I agree Jaal is a perfect candidate for bi squad mate. Yes, Steve romance bothers me a bit. It feels inappropriate how I approach him when he still mourns his husband. Still in ME3, I am happy with Kaidan romance. About Vega, he's an established character in ME:Homeworld, Paragon Lost, and Conviction. So I am not sure if his sexuality is already established in these or not. It was quite same with Thane actually. Although his mourning isn't as .. fresh, he still clearly mourns after his wife. Especially with Drell flashbacks. And then you have pretty much heart options middle of him talking about his wife that died. I definitely think the writing would have needed more tact. I never picked him with FemShep so I don't know about that part, but in the regular Dr. Shep therapy sessions he was ~fine. Besides his loss was 10+ years while Cortez husband died... what 6-8 months ago? To me it felt a bit too soon to move on after 2-3 paragon dialogue. Steve would have been great had he been introduced as a non-romance crew member in 2, during which he'd be on the Normandy as he loses his husband and his ME3 plot of getting over that took place over the course of THAT game instead. Then he could have joined you in 3 as an established friend (and now romance option, if you helped him in 2) of Shepard's, with grieving already done with. But, you know, hindsight. Or this one, yeah. I would have also preferred Kelly over Traynor. She was just...there. Dropping her panties every time she talked to EDI. And that ninja shower scene... ugh. Tough I'm grateful for Alix. She is the best inquisitor! Without that job they might have called someone else.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 26, 2017 13:44:49 GMT
Just a random thought about the romances in general.
So far, two of my favorite BW romances are Garrus and Iron Bull, for similar reasons. It isn't because they are both non-human; it's not like I find either of them physically attractive. However, they both have a key element for me: a good friendship arc. With both Bull and with Garrus, I felt like the romance added to what was an already solid friendship. Plus, the humor is very important. Parts of Bull's romance are genuinely funny and I like the way that even a romanced Garrus will be a smartass to FemShep.
I know that the details of those romances aren't for everyone, especially Iron Bull. However, I've talked to folks that would enjoy having a funny and deep friendship arc to add to the romance. This is how I look at it:
"Being friends is the only way to be lovers. Staying friends is the only way to be married."--Mercedes Lackey
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 26, 2017 13:49:23 GMT
Iron Bull and Garrus are both extremely hot. But that's just me.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 26, 2017 14:06:27 GMT
I like your argument, and I agree Jaal is a perfect candidate for bi squad mate. Yes, Steve romance bothers me a bit. It feels inappropriate how I approach him when he still mourns his husband. Still in ME3, I am happy with Kaidan romance. About Vega, he's an established character in ME:Homeworld, Paragon Lost, and Conviction. So I am not sure if his sexuality is already established in these or not. Steve would have been great had he been introduced as a non-romance crew member in 2, during which he'd be on the Normandy as he loses his husband and his ME3 plot of getting over that took place over the course of THAT game instead. Then he could have joined you in 3 as an established friend (and now romance option, if you helped him in 2) of Shepard's, with grieving already done with. But, you know, hindsight. The problem there is that he would be working for Cerberus. What would be his reason for leaving the Alliance to work with Cerberus? Ken and Gabby had arguments over Shepard and were only allowed to return when Shepard pardoned them. Joker was only allowed to fly again post-Cerberus because he and EDI deceived the Alliance into believing the Normandy wouldn't run without EDI and that EDI would only respond to Joker. Chakwas had that "leave of absence" thing going, which to me is a little too sketchy. The point is, having to come up with all of these reasons why Alliance personnel worked for Cerberus and then came back begins to be too far-fetched with the story. I know some people wonder why Rupert Gardner didn't show up in ME3 but it's because he was strictly Cerberus. He was never Alliance military so the option to return wasn't there. I'd want to avoid that with Steve. Hindsight would have Steve in ME1, married to Robert. We hear through a message that Robert died shortly after overhearing the crew talk about Ferris Fields in ME2. Maybe Steve's fate is unknown to us, too, but he grieves between games regardless. Then, in ME3, there's a reunion and Shepard is happy to see his friend from ME1 is still alive. Then a potential romance kicks off.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 26, 2017 14:10:09 GMT
Iron Bull and Garrus are both extremely hot. But that's just me. Bull was hot (especially if they'd better managed to translate his concept art/character portrait, but that's always the case) but his 'romance' was almost entirely lacking in romance and is basically the complete opposite of what I find appealing. It became extra insulting when you notice that he actually seems sweeter/more devoted to Dorian if you let them hook up. For the majority of the romance he barely seems bothered at all and if you're gonna write a divisive romance like that, make sure that it's for a game that has a larger amount of options for that demographic.
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Post by ash on Feb 26, 2017 14:10:43 GMT
Steve would have been great had he been introduced as a non-romance crew member in 2, during which he'd be on the Normandy as he loses his husband and his ME3 plot of getting over that took place over the course of THAT game instead. Then he could have joined you in 3 as an established friend (and now romance option, if you helped him in 2) of Shepard's, with grieving already done with. But, you know, hindsight. The problem there is that he would be working for Cerberus. What would be his reason for leaving the Alliance to work with Cerberus? Ken and Gabby had arguments over Shepard and were only allowed to return when Shepard pardoned them. Joker was only allowed to fly again post-Cerberus because he and EDI deceived the Alliance into believing the Normandy wouldn't run without EDI and that EDI would only respond to Joker. Chakwas had that "leave of absence" thing going, which to me is a little too sketchy. The point is, having to come up with all of these reasons why Alliance personnel worked for Cerberus and then came back begins to be too far-fetched with the story. I know some people wonder why Rupert Gardner didn't show up in ME3 but it's because he was strictly Cerberus. He was never Alliance military so the option to return wasn't there. I'd want to avoid that with Steve. Hindsight would have Steve in ME1, married to Robert. We hear through a message that Robert died shortly after overhearing the crew talk about Ferris Fields in ME2. Maybe Steve's fate is unknown to us, too, but he grieves between games regardless. Then, in ME3, there's a reunion and Shepard is happy to see his friend from ME1 is still alive. Then a potential romance kicks off. That would require them actually including a gay male character in ME1. So, that'd never happen with their point of view back then.
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Post by Crim on Feb 26, 2017 14:12:43 GMT
We have a blue squidlike Female Alien that's an obvious Bisexual Option. Why not have the pink squidlike Male Alien be a Bisexual Option as well?
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 26, 2017 14:15:41 GMT
Steve would have been great had he been introduced as a non-romance crew member in 2, during which he'd be on the Normandy as he loses his husband and his ME3 plot of getting over that took place over the course of THAT game instead. Then he could have joined you in 3 as an established friend (and now romance option, if you helped him in 2) of Shepard's, with grieving already done with. But, you know, hindsight. The problem there is that he would be working for Cerberus. What would be his reason for leaving the Alliance to work with Cerberus? Ken and Gabby had arguments over Shepard and were only allowed to return when Shepard pardoned them. Joker was only allowed to fly again post-Cerberus because he and EDI deceived the Alliance into believing the Normandy wouldn't run without EDI and that EDI would only respond to Joker. Chakwas had that "leave of absence" thing going, which to me is a little too sketchy. The point is, having to come up with all of these reasons why Alliance personnel worked for Cerberus and then came back begins to be too far-fetched with the story. I know some people wonder why Rupert Gardner didn't show up in ME3 but it's because he was strictly Cerberus. He was never Alliance military so the option to return wasn't there. I'd want to avoid that with Steve. Hindsight would have Steve in ME1, married to Robert. We hear through a message that Robert died shortly after overhearing the crew talk about Ferris Fields in ME2. Maybe Steve's fate is unknown to us, too, but he grieves between games regardless. Then, in ME3, there's a reunion and Shepard is happy to see his friend from ME1 is still alive. Then a potential romance kicks off. *shrug* They managed to fit in Chakwas/Ken and Gabby, as well as reasonably establishing the Cerberus crew members as justifiable. If it got Steve in 2, I'd take a 'the council aren't acting' hand wave. It's the writers job to make this work, after all. Putting him in 1 wouldn't have the emotional impact of actually being there when his husband died and helping him through it. But this is all academic anyway. I tend to doubt they'll be remastering the trilogy featuring an overhauled story with my input.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 26, 2017 14:21:43 GMT
Iron Bull and Garrus are both extremely hot. But that's just me. Bull was hot (especially if they'd better managed to translate his concept art/character portrait, but that's always the case) but his 'romance' was almost entirely lacking in romance and is basically the complete opposite of what I find appealing. It became extra insulting when you notice that he actually seems sweeter/more devoted to Dorian if you let them hook up. For the majority of the romance he barely seems bothered at all and if you're gonna write a divisive romance like that, make sure that it's for a game that has a larger amount of options for that demographic. Oh man, Bull's concept art, that's my dream guy right there... Too bad they stripped away a lot of things from him that made him so hot and cool. But yes, Bull's romance is pretty horrid and the romantic content is very light, though there are a few really touching moments that show that Bull truly cares. We needed more of those moments though. Trespasser was the final straw for me. Not to say every other romance was spectacular in Trespasser but oh boy, Bull's was complete, utter garbage. And it sucks that both of the male x male romances end up in a long distance relationship. Josefine can take the Inquisitor to meet her parents, and Cullen and the Inquisitor seem to settle down fine as well. What's wrong with two men settling down, building a household and living a comfortable life with each other? I guess it was just a coincidence that gay men had the two options whose endings weren't really heartfelt or hopeful..
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 26, 2017 14:26:34 GMT
That would require them actually including a gay male character in ME1. So, that'd never happen with their point of view back then. Sure, but there were no gay male characters in ME2, either.
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Post by Crim on Feb 26, 2017 14:54:30 GMT
Just a random thought about the romances in general. So far, two of my favorite BW romances are Garrus and Iron Bull, for similar reasons. It isn't because they are both non-human; it's not like I find either of them physically attractive. However, they both have a key element for me: a good friendship arc. With both Bull and with Garrus, I felt like the romance added to what was an already solid friendship. Plus, the humor is very important. Parts of Bull's romance are genuinely funny and I like the way that even a romanced Garrus will be a smartass to FemShep. I know that the details of those romances aren't for everyone, especially Iron Bull. However, I've talked to folks that would enjoy having a funny and deep friendship arc to add to the romance. This is how I look at it: "Being friends is the only way to be lovers. Staying friends is the only way to be married."--Mercedes Lackey And then you have people like me who just can't romance a Turian/insert other milky way race here, will never find em attractive in that way. Can only go human/Asari. I'm shallow and I've made my peace with this.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 26, 2017 15:01:45 GMT
Just a random thought about the romances in general. So far, two of my favorite BW romances are Garrus and Iron Bull, for similar reasons. It isn't because they are both non-human; it's not like I find either of them physically attractive. However, they both have a key element for me: a good friendship arc. With both Bull and with Garrus, I felt like the romance added to what was an already solid friendship. Plus, the humor is very important. Parts of Bull's romance are genuinely funny and I like the way that even a romanced Garrus will be a smartass to FemShep. I know that the details of those romances aren't for everyone, especially Iron Bull. However, I've talked to folks that would enjoy having a funny and deep friendship arc to add to the romance. This is how I look at it: "Being friends is the only way to be lovers. Staying friends is the only way to be married."--Mercedes Lackey And then you have people like me who just can't romance a Turian/insert other milky way race here, will never find em attractive in that way. Can only go human/Asari. I'm shallow and I've made my peace with this. Same. I saw that naked Turian concept art and I was not impressed. Similarly, Jaal's cobra/those dickhead aliens from Star Wars look is...nah. Cool designs, though.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 26, 2017 15:03:19 GMT
And then you have people like me who just can't romance a Turian/insert other milky way race here, will never find em attractive in that way. Can only go human/Asari. I'm shallow and I've made my peace with this. Similarly shallow, except asari don't work for me. I've made total peace with that. However, I'm fine with all human ethnicities.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 26, 2017 15:27:59 GMT
For me its the complete opposite, not interested in humans at all.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 26, 2017 15:42:31 GMT
I'm the kind of player who needs to know my options before playing the game. Other-wise it's just failure after failure for me lol If I had to go into game blind without knowing who to romance I guess I'd have to do flirt!Ryder playthrough and just flirt with everyone and look what sticks- or is everyone going to murder me for cheating on them. Still I want to know so I can actually plan my characters before hand, that's my way of playing. I'm not that big of hurry though since I'll probably get the game later with some bugs patched and price reduced. I have lot of games waiting for playing and although I'm excited about ME:A it can wait. Same. Even if we don't get any more leaks until the game comes out... I'll just hold off playing until people start updating the wiki or posting on the forums about who the romanceable characters are. I knew ahead of time who I was going to romance in DAO, DA2, DAI, ME, NWN, NWN2, BG... Just a random thought about the romances in general. So far, two of my favorite BW romances are Garrus and Iron Bull, for similar reasons. It isn't because they are both non-human; it's not like I find either of them physically attractive. However, they both have a key element for me: a good friendship arc. With both Bull and with Garrus, I felt like the romance added to what was an already solid friendship. Plus, the humor is very important. Parts of Bull's romance are genuinely funny and I like the way that even a romanced Garrus will be a smartass to FemShep. I know that the details of those romances aren't for everyone, especially Iron Bull. However, I've talked to folks that would enjoy having a funny and deep friendship arc to add to the romance. This is how I look at it: "Being friends is the only way to be lovers. Staying friends is the only way to be married."--Mercedes Lackey Seconding your love of friendship-turned-romance arcs! I think Garrus is the clearest example of this in ME/DA, because it's built on a very strong, long-running friendship. That's part of why it was so meaningful for me. Even if you break up with him in ME3 (whichIcouldneverdobut), he's got your six no matter what. It's rock solid. Iron Bull and Garrus are both extremely hot. But that's just me. Same.
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Post by Crim on Feb 26, 2017 15:45:47 GMT
Welp, this is some sad news, Bill Paxton died. Just flashed up on my twitter feed.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 26, 2017 15:47:34 GMT
Oh shit. That's really sad.
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Either way, the worst of it all is that this won't end well for them. Whether coming out with everything, now, and dealing with people being upset and getting over it in time for launch (or not picking up the game, as per the tin foil hats) versus them waiting and people being disappointed them, which is worse is up for debate. What is NOT up for debate is that someone will leak from files, or a guide, and everyone will know, anyhow. At that point, it WILL be out of their hands. They can either be proactive or not, but they have the power to release the info, on their terms, OR THEY CAN WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO DO IT FOR THEM, at which point, the same damage will be done, without the benefit of at least being the ones to reveal it. Fans will be much less upset, as a whole, if Bioware at least owns up on it all, versus someone else leaking it. The shitstorm is smaller if it's just leaked because the only ones who care that much about it are concentrated on this forum. When you say fans, you mean "very small subset" of fans, because the mass effect subreddit is not this worked up about it, and there are just as many LGBT folks there as here. I'm gonna go ahead an call BS on this whole "scared of the lgbt outrage" mess as if we're the loudest ones. The fact that you all think that the people who care the most about romances are concentrated on this forum is so wrong. If you look at bigger places than this (youtube, reddit) the majority of the outrage is from straight guys complaining about how ugly they find the characters. The mass effect subreddit is worked up over romances just as much as this forum. You all just tolerate it more because it's straight outrage. Let's stop tying to pretend that most of the outrage about romances is on this forum, or that it's mostly just THE GAYSTM. That is such bs. Please have a look at literally any Mass Effect youtube video and come back to me lol
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Feb 26, 2017 16:38:23 GMT
Just a random thought about the romances in general. So far, two of my favorite BW romances are Garrus and Iron Bull, for similar reasons. It isn't because they are both non-human; it's not like I find either of them physically attractive. However, they both have a key element for me: a good friendship arc. With both Bull and with Garrus, I felt like the romance added to what was an already solid friendship. Plus, the humor is very important. Parts of Bull's romance are genuinely funny and I like the way that even a romanced Garrus will be a smartass to FemShep. I know that the details of those romances aren't for everyone, especially Iron Bull. However, I've talked to folks that would enjoy having a funny and deep friendship arc to add to the romance. This is how I look at it: "Being friends is the only way to be lovers. Staying friends is the only way to be married."--Mercedes Lackey And then you have people like me who just can't romance a Turian/insert other milky way race here, will never find em attractive in that way. Can only go human/Asari. I'm shallow and I've made my peace with this. Lol at least you aren't lying to yourself , bby
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Post by Natashina on Feb 26, 2017 17:20:50 GMT
I'm just resigned to not getting what I would prefer physically. The only LI (male or female) that's been completely my type was Valen Shadowbreath from NWN: HoU. Long hair, tall, slender with a nice build. Dark hair too. Alas, that was about 13 years ago or so. As a result, I tend to focus a lot on the personality of the LIs. Eventually I'll get a guy or gal with a slender but well formed build, with dark hair and blue eyes.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 26, 2017 17:32:57 GMT
Just a random thought about the romances in general. So far, two of my favorite BW romances are Garrus and Iron Bull, for similar reasons. It isn't because they are both non-human; it's not like I find either of them physically attractive. However, they both have a key element for me: a good friendship arc. With both Bull and with Garrus, I felt like the romance added to what was an already solid friendship. Plus, the humor is very important. Parts of Bull's romance are genuinely funny and I like the way that even a romanced Garrus will be a smartass to FemShep. I know that the details of those romances aren't for everyone, especially Iron Bull. However, I've talked to folks that would enjoy having a funny and deep friendship arc to add to the romance. This is how I look at it: "Being friends is the only way to be lovers. Staying friends is the only way to be married."--Mercedes Lackey And then you have people like me who just can't romance a Turian/insert other milky way race here, will never find em attractive in that way. Can only go human/Asari. I'm shallow and I've made my peace with this. Yep happily admit to a degree of shallowness since my favourite 2 romances have been Miranda & Issy whilst I've got no interest in the likes of vetra.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 26, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
Dropping this here since it has to do with romances/flings: Aaryn Flynn ‏aarynflynn Remember. We lost the "partial nudity" rating and got full "nudity". Aaryn Flynn Retweeted Dan Conlin Dan Conlin@ConVito Suddenly the ESRB rating makes sense. Cas‏@elventempest aarynflynn I mean It's hard to really rate alien nudity/genitals isn't it? 💋 Aaryn Flynn‏aarynflynn @elventempest You'd be surprised Tam Wells‏ @lady_Alenko @n7follower aarynflynn also I'm imagining my husband looking at me in disgust... "Is this space porn?" 🙄 TFW when you marry a non gamer... Aaryn Flynn‏ aarynflynn @lady_Alenko @n7follower Yes it's totally softcore space porn Nicholas Lai‏ @azianperc aarynflynn Can you imagine the hilarity w/ESRB if that was the only nudity though? "Does this count?" "Shit, I dunno. Technically?" Nicholas Lai‏ @azianperc aarynflynn Rated M, for Alien Nudity and Pretty Good Banging (also is PGB gonna be a card in the @cah expansion?) Aaryn Flynn‏ aarynflynn @azianperc Oh it counts. It counts... Tyler Norstrom‏ @tyler_norstrom aarynflynn @lady_Alenko @n7follower I'm struggling to tell if you are trolling us or not right now Aaryn Flynn‏ aarynflynn @tyler_norstrom @lady_Alenko @n7follower Oh I'm not I wish they'd talk about the nonsexual romances as much as they talk about the sex scenes.
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