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Post by sandalisthemaker on Feb 26, 2017 17:41:28 GMT
Dropping this here since it has to do with romances/flings: Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn Remember. We lost the "partial nudity" rating and got full "nudity". Aaryn Flynn Retweeted Dan Conlin Dan Conlin@ConVito Suddenly the ESRB rating makes sense. Cas@elventempest aarynflynn I mean It's hard to really rate alien nudity/genitals isn't it? 💋 Aaryn Flynnaarynflynn @elventempest You'd be surprised Tam Wells @lady_Alenko @n7follower aarynflynn also I'm imagining my husband looking at me in disgust... "Is this space porn?" 🙄 TFW when you marry a non gamer... Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn @lady_Alenko @n7follower Yes it's totally softcore space porn Nicholas Lai @azianperc aarynflynn Can you imagine the hilarity w/ESRB if that was the only nudity though? "Does this count?" "Shit, I dunno. Technically?" Nicholas Lai @azianperc aarynflynn Rated M, for Alien Nudity and Pretty Good Banging (also is PGB gonna be a card in the @cah expansion?) Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn @azianperc Oh it counts. It counts... Tyler Norstrom @tyler_norstrom aarynflynn @lady_Alenko @n7follower I'm struggling to tell if you are trolling us or not right now Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn @tyler_norstrom @lady_Alenko @n7follower Oh I'm not I wish they'd talk about the nonsexual romances as much as they talk about the sex scenes. Don't they keep shutting gay fans down when they ask about romances? Why then, do they keep blabbing about "Alien Nudity" and #PrettyGOODBanGiNG111! and then get all weary and fatigued when concerned LGBT people keep asking.
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Post by ShakespeareInSpace on Feb 26, 2017 17:49:30 GMT
I tried inquiring with Devs earlier, actually just before the alien nudity tweets, about if we could have explicit confirmation that every orientation had at least one option within the confines of the six squad mates but to no avail.
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Feb 26, 2017 17:51:03 GMT
I tried inquiring with Devs earlier, actually just before the alien nudity tweets about if we could have explicit confirmation that every orientation had at least one option in the confines of the six squad mates but to no avail. Don't bother, dear. I wouldn't want you to get attacked by others for having the audacity to ask, which is what will happen.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 26, 2017 18:00:16 GMT
I don't lay any of this at the feet of the developers and writers. They don't have a choice, really. They are at the behest of the marketing department at this point. Allan* talked about that openly on the BioWare forums back during the DA:I big marketing push. The BioWare dev teams have very limited control as to what they can say prior to release. I cut the dev teams a lot of slack as a result.
I've been thinking about it. The ME marketing team has been a lot less forthcoming about the possibility of a m/m squadmate romance than the DA team is/was. I'm beginning to wonder if they think the ME average fanbase is more static than the DA fanbase is.
In other words, I'm thinking that the ME marketing team sees their main fanbase as having changed very little in the last 4-5 years or so. That seems to be very untrue, judging from my experience. Over the last few years, ME fans seems to be getting very close to the same level of diversity as Dragon Age fans. Many times they overlap. I started off as an exclusive DA fan, until other fans encouraged me to give ME a try.
Yet the marketing team has developed this almost backwards seeming strategy. Talk up the "banging" and "hot asari nudity," but downplay any mention of a m/m squadmate LI. It's like the PR team is afraid of possibly alienating fans. Which is verging on ridiculous. Most BioWare players in general these days either like the LGBT+ content or don't really care either way.
Edit: I also wanted to mention that the frustration that the devs seem to have is pretty likely not due to fans asking the question. It's more likely due to the fact that they aren't allowed to answer that question.
**Allan Schumacher is a developer for BioWare that has worked on DA2, DA:I and is currently on the ME:A team.**
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 26, 2017 18:28:06 GMT
I don't lay any of this at the feet of the developers and writers. They don't have a choice, really. They are at the behest of the marketing department at this point. Allan talked about that openly on the BioWare forums back during the DA:I big marketing push. The BioWare dev teams have very limited control as to what they can say prior to release. I cut the dev teams a lot of slack as a result. I've been thinking about it. The ME marketing team has been a lot less forthcoming about the possibility of a m/m squadmate romance than the DA team is/was. I'm beginning to wonder if they think the ME average fanbase is more static than the DA fanbase is. In other words, I'm thinking that the ME marketing team sees their main fanbase as having changed very little in the last 4-5 years or so. That seems to be very untrue, judging from my experience. Over the last few years, ME fans seems to be getting very close to the same level of diversity as Dragon Age fans. Many times they overlap. I started off as an exclusive DA fan, until other fans encouraged me to give ME a try. Yet the marketing team has developed this almost backwards seeming strategy. Talk up the "banging" and "hot asari nudity," but downplay any mention of a m/m squadmate LI. It's like the PR team is afraid of possibly alienating fans. Which is verging on ridiculous. Most BioWare players in general these days either like the LGBT+ content or don't really care either way. Edit: I also wanted to mention that the frustration that the devs seem to have is pretty likely not due to fans asking the question. It's more likely due to the fact that they a ren't allowed to answer that question. I think its because of a couple of things. Which I could be entirely wrong with. Andromeda is considered a soft reboot. Because of this they are trying to attract new fans as well. Unlike DA:I which feels like an actual RPG - though folks may disagree with me here - ME has always had a shooter feel to it, instead of feeling like a true RPG. Because of this they are probably also trying to attract the FPS crowd. Which mostly consists of straight males. I think that you are right with that the marketing department is probably affraid it will turn off those new fans with M/M stuff. Which is a shame really, because most of those new fans won't really care about the entire ME lore and such anyway after one playthrough.
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Post by amoebae † on Feb 26, 2017 18:32:51 GMT
jjdxb - every time I see your avatar I think about what an absolute crime it will be if Jaal isn't bi. Look at the way Scott looks at him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 18:33:17 GMT
I don't lay any of this at the feet of the developers and writers. They don't have a choice, really. They are at the behest of the marketing department at this point. Allan* talked about that openly on the BioWare forums back during the DA:I big marketing push. The BioWare dev teams have very limited control as to what they can say prior to release. I cut the dev teams a lot of slack as a result. I've been thinking about it. The ME marketing team has been a lot less forthcoming about the possibility of a m/m squadmate romance than the DA team is/was. I'm beginning to wonder if they think the ME average fanbase is more static than the DA fanbase is. In other words, I'm thinking that the ME marketing team sees their main fanbase as having changed very little in the last 4-5 years or so. That seems to be very untrue, judging from my experience. Over the last few years, ME fans seems to be getting very close to the same level of diversity as Dragon Age fans. Many times they overlap. I started off as an exclusive DA fan, until other fans encouraged me to give ME a try. Yet the marketing team has developed this almost backwards seeming strategy. Talk up the "banging" and "hot asari nudity," but downplay any mention of a m/m squadmate LI. It's like the PR team is afraid of possibly alienating fans. Which is verging on ridiculous. Most BioWare players in general these days either like the LGBT+ content or don't really care either way. Edit: I also wanted to mention that the frustration that the devs seem to have is pretty likely not due to fans asking the question. It's more likely due to the fact that they a ren't allowed to answer that question. Allan Schumacher is a developer for BioWare that has worked on DA2, DA:I and is currently on the ME:A team.Yea like I said in the twitter thread the best thing to do right now is wait. I'm not one for bashing anyone that is sending tweets at them trying to tell them why the options should be revealed or that it would be better if revealed as it's just notifications and text that the devs can easily scroll past and ignore. Unlike some of us who has the tweets neatly archived in a thread and is informed of each question and response to said questions, others don't scroll through their tweet history and see that they told people that they will have to wait for the orientations. The constant questions is something that's just going to have to be accepted until release or some data-mined leak occurs that reveals all the LI and their orientations and the devs are adults so I don't think they are too bothered by reading through some of these complaints and not take them too personally.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 26, 2017 18:36:37 GMT
Ocelot See, the whole "because of straight male new fans" doesn't work for me either. I give those men a lot more credit than that. While there are a few that might be turned off, I think that the majority wouldn't care if there is a m/m squad romance. The worry about being ninjamanced is gone thanks to the icon system. So I will continue to question the marketing team's logic behind this. It seems terribly outdated to me.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 26, 2017 18:37:38 GMT
I'm just resigned to not getting what I would prefer physically. The only LI (male or female) that's been completely my type was Valen Shadowbreath from NWN: HoU. Long hair, tall, slender with a nice build. Dark hair too. Alas, that was about 13 years ago or so. As a result, I tend to focus a lot on the personality of the LIs. Eventually I'll get a guy or gal with a slender but well formed build, with dark hair and blue eyes. Wasn't Valen a redhead, tho? And then you have people like me who just can't romance a Turian/insert other milky way race here, will never find em attractive in that way. Can only go human/Asari. I'm shallow and I've made my peace with this. Yep happily admit to a degree of shallowness since my favourite 2 romances have been Miranda & Issy whilst I've got no interest in the likes of vetra. Hey, I consider myself fairly shallow when it comes to pixel lovin'. The difference is that I think turians are foine.
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Post by sageoflife on Feb 26, 2017 18:37:41 GMT
All right, we've gotten it out of our systems, we've talked about how the marketing department works, we've discussed the developers' statements before the leaks of questionable reliability, so until we have solid information about which part doesn't fit, I suggest we all stop doing this:
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Post by amoebae † on Feb 26, 2017 18:39:23 GMT
Talking about romance flag glitches - I'm playing ME3 at the moment, and my Sheploo is romancing Kaidan, it's all locked in, and there goes Liara's dad talking about how Shep and Liara are in love and some shit.
No. They really aren't.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 26, 2017 18:40:34 GMT
vertigomezBlood red, thank you very much. He is a tiefling after all.
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Post by sageoflife on Feb 26, 2017 18:40:45 GMT
Talking about romance flag glitches - I'm playing ME3 at the moment, and my Sheploo is romancing Kaidan, it's all locked in, and there goes Liara's dad talking about how Shep and Liara are in love and some shit. No. They really aren't. I'm pretty sure you can't lock in any romances until after Aethyta disappears from the Citadel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 18:43:18 GMT
Ocelot See, the whole "because of straight male new fans" doesn't work for me either. I give those men a lot more credit than that. While there are a few that might be turned off, I think that the majority wouldn't care if there is a m/m squad romance. The worry about being ninjamanced is gone thanks to the icon system. So I will continue to question the marketing team's logic behind this. It seems terribly outdated to me. Yea the marketing team is the only one who really can be blamed about this. I mean think about it. Up until the embargo lifted their campaign on their own game was really downright horrible. It seems like they just relied on the trilogy's success, the press, the fanbase, Youtubers, etc. to market for them as opposed to releasing anything substantial like a 15min uncut demo or some gameplay in MP that lasted for more than a few seconds. The marketing team has been extremely secretive for little to no reason. Their game's success will only increase (therefore an increase in profits) if they actually tried to do a bit more in their marketing campaign for the game.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 26, 2017 18:44:49 GMT
While we're on the topic of Liara: I hope they don't push one (or two) romances as "moar canon" than the others. That sets my teeth on edge. It's bad enough hearing the fans tear each other apart over stuff like that; the last thing I want is the devs encouraging it.
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 26, 2017 18:45:24 GMT
Talking about romance flag glitches - I'm playing ME3 at the moment, and my Sheploo is romancing Kaidan, it's all locked in, and there goes Liara's dad talking about how Shep and Liara are in love and some shit. No. They really aren't. Ha! I always worry that Jack is going to hear that and kill me for "cheating". Thanks Aethyta.
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Post by sageoflife on Feb 26, 2017 18:46:27 GMT
And while we're on the subject of certain romances being pushed as more canon, hopefully removing that will also remove situations that can far too easily be interpreted as the developers' favorite actively sabotaging the competition. *gives Liara a dirty look*
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Post by Natashina on Feb 26, 2017 18:47:36 GMT
While we're on the topic of Liara: I hope they don't push one (or two) romances as "moar canon" than the others. That sets my teeth on edge. It's bad enough hearing the fans tear each other apart over stuff like that; the last thing I want is the devs encouraging it. Yeah, they keep doing that. sageoflifeThat too.
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Post by amoebae † on Feb 26, 2017 18:49:05 GMT
Talking about romance flag glitches - I'm playing ME3 at the moment, and my Sheploo is romancing Kaidan, it's all locked in, and there goes Liara's dad talking about how Shep and Liara are in love and some shit. No. They really aren't. I'm pretty sure you can't lock in any romances until after Aethyta disappears from the Citadel. Kaidan and Shep had 'the talk' - is all I mean. They'd discussed making a go of it and were - barring the sex scene - together. Conversely, there has never been a glimmer of romance with Liara and Shep has had the 'we are just friends' dialogue in however many convos there are. Anyway, my point is that never mind ME1, ME3 still gets it wrong wrt Liara.
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 26, 2017 18:50:56 GMT
Ocelot See, the whole "because of straight male new fans" doesn't work for me either. I give those men a lot more credit than that. While there are a few that might be turned off, I think that the majority wouldn't care if there is a m/m squad romance. The worry about being ninjamanced is gone thanks to the icon system. So I will continue to question the marketing team's logic behind this. It seems terribly outdated to me. Exactly. If Bioware did try to avoid gay or bi male squadmates because they were worried about about the reaction of straight male players then that is just as insulting to those men as it is to the LGB crowd, because they are assuming that they are too immature and insecure to deal with characters like that. The vast majority of people who played the trilogy or will be starting with Andromeda are better than that.
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Post by amoebae † on Feb 26, 2017 18:51:20 GMT
I like Liara as a character, but I found myself resenting her because of the way the devs treated her as the OTR (one true romance). Which one of them was it that had a massive hard on for her? Priestly? I can't remember. Anyway, it was pretty gross, and it's really shitty to do to the fans as well.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 26, 2017 18:52:23 GMT
While we're on the topic of Liara: I hope they don't push one (or two) romances as "moar canon" than the others. That sets my teeth on edge. It's bad enough hearing the fans tear each other apart over stuff like that; the last thing I want is the devs encouraging it. Yeah, they keep doing that. The only time I've really felt like the devs have done that is with ME and Liara (and if you want to go back in time: BG and Jaheira). The rest of the time it's usually fans insisting that Morrigan/Solas/Anders/Isabela, etc. is more canon because reasons. But I've never felt like any of those LIs were written to invalidate my fave. Juuuust Liara. edit: And I say this as a Liara fan.
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 26, 2017 18:52:47 GMT
Ocelot See, the whole "because of straight male new fans" doesn't work for me either. I give those men a lot more credit than that. While there are a few that might be turned off, I think that the majority wouldn't care if there is a m/m squad romance. The worry about being ninjamanced is gone thanks to the icon system. So I will continue to question the marketing team's logic behind this. It seems terribly outdated to me. You're preaching to the choir Nat
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 18:56:31 GMT
While we're on the topic of Liara: I hope they don't push one (or two) romances as "moar canon" than the others. That sets my teeth on edge. It's bad enough hearing the fans tear each other apart over stuff like that; the last thing I want is the devs encouraging it. Agreed! I'm a bit undecided between PeeBee and Cora (leaning towards PB though) and I don't want either of them to really feel like one is more connected to Ryder than the other. I hope every squadmate especially the romanceable ones have an equal connection with Ryder so it doesn't feel like I'm shortchanging myself from the clearly better/more favored option. I enjoyed the Liara romance but when I went to do playthroughs for Miranda, Ash, Tali, and Jack I was clearly getting less content all the while Liara still felt like she had the deepest connection with my Shepard.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 26, 2017 18:57:45 GMT
Part of the reason why I brought the whole thing up was to try to instill a little bit of hope. I'm not asking anyone to discard their cynicism about the m/m squad romance. I'm still pretty cynical myself, to be honest. I did want to point out that silence on the devs part doesn't equal an absence of that LI option. I hope my gut feeling about this is correct. I think there is a m/m option in the squad, but for whatever reason the devs aren't permitted to talk about it.
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