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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Feb 27, 2017 17:44:04 GMT
So in regard to romances what are people thoughts when it comes to permanent relationship failure decisions on the players part. I'm talking about whether there should be a point of no return when you make a decision so against the IL's beliefs that they break up with no apologizes allowed. Like for instance Dorian breaking up with the Inquisitor when he discovers you killed Ponchard to get his family amulet. Should that be a thing or should they be more like Josephine's where I'm pretty sure its impossible to fail once you get going.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Feb 27, 2017 17:48:39 GMT
So in regard to romances what are people thoughts when it comes to permanent relationship failure decisions on the players part. I'm talking about whether there should be a point of no return when you make a decision so against the IL's beliefs that they break up with no apologizes allowed. Like for instance Dorian breaking up with the Inquisitor when he discovers you killed Ponchard to get his family amulet. Should that be a thing or should they be more like Josephine's where I'm pretty sure its impossible to fail once you get going. I kind of like the idea of messing up, but then part of me knows i'll just end up reloading the save and fixing it.
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Post by riou on Feb 27, 2017 18:13:40 GMT
While I sympathize with folks in this thread (As I'm also one of those people who hopes for Jaal being bi or at the very least a gay male turian romance option), I feel like I more understand and sympathize with Bioware. They're in a terrible position right now. If anyone here was around for the old Bioware Social Network "forum" and what-not, at one point Chris Priestly, one of the moderators, made a post talking about why they choose to say so little, or be vague (besides company policy telling them it's a no-no to spoil).
Basically, he said that they would prefer to use the "less is more", be vague as possible, or just not say anything at all because fans have this (rather annoying tendency) to over-analyze and over-interpret anything that's given to them. To the point that Bioware is literally in a 'damned if you, damned if you don't' situation. If they say something, it'll get picked apart and used against them. If they say nothing, then even their silence is used against them.
But even if Bioware doesn't give us exactly the specific thing we want, I doubt they've been blind/deaf to what people have said over the years to what the fans have been saying.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 27, 2017 18:13:50 GMT
well its only reasonable in a world of bell curves to expect there to be an opposite to BSN's, or rather BioWare's fanbase, rabid and maniacal fixation on romances Meanwhile CD-Projekt steps in, takes a ton of RPG design cues from Obsidian and sprinkles it with Bioware sex and outsells both combined and becomes universally hailed as the modern RPG holy grail, regardless if deservingly so. So maybe Bioware should start thinking more on their actual RPG game design side while Obsidian should stop worrying so much about Codexia's aversion to romance
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 27, 2017 18:23:41 GMT
well its only reasonable in a world of bell curves to expect there to be an opposite to BSN's, or rather BioWare's fanbase, rabid and maniacal fixation on romances Meanwhile CD-Projekt steps in, takes a ton of RPG design cues from Obsidian and sprinkles it with Bioware sex and outsells both combined and becomes universally hailed as the modern RPG holy grail, regardless if deservingly so. So maybe Bioware should start thinking more on their actual RPG game design side while Obsidian should stop worrying so much about Codexia's aversion to romance except TW3 does deserve all the praise it gets
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 18:24:09 GMT
I know. I thank you and many others for trying to keep everyone positive. I may take a break for a bit to try and distance myself from the anxiety because it really is messing with my ability to function for some reason. If it's upsetting you or anyone, a break would be wise. Yep video game romances are nothing to get overly worked up about. Definitely take a break and do other things if it's really affecting you negatively. These 3-4 weeks will pass before you know it
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 27, 2017 18:34:33 GMT
except TW3 does deserve all the praise it gets If we pretend its combat doesn't exist
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Post by riou on Feb 27, 2017 18:35:12 GMT
Meanwhile CD-Projekt steps in, takes a ton of RPG design cues from Obsidian and sprinkles it with Bioware sex and outsells both combined and becomes universally hailed as the modern RPG holy grail, regardless if deservingly so. So maybe Bioware should start thinking more on their actual RPG game design side while Obsidian should stop worrying so much about Codexia's aversion to romance except TW3 does deserve all the praise it gets Debateable, I think it's a well-designed game but it is not the holy grail of RPGs, not by a long shot. I think they do some things better than Bioware but Bioware blows them out of the water in others.
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 27, 2017 18:36:08 GMT
Meanwhile CD-Projekt steps in, takes a ton of RPG design cues from Obsidian and sprinkles it with Bioware sex and outsells both combined and becomes universally hailed as the modern RPG holy grail, regardless if deservingly so. So maybe Bioware should start thinking more on their actual RPG game design side while Obsidian should stop worrying so much about Codexia's aversion to romance except TW3 does deserve all the praise it gets Indeed... although, if BW did handle their IPs the way CDPR does, I hazard a guess they would be in a very different place too, these days.
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 27, 2017 18:36:48 GMT
except TW3 does deserve all the praise it gets If we pretend its combat doesn't exist a nice array of options that rewards exploration and the crafting system? Literally the only problem I have with the game is leveled gear.
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 27, 2017 18:40:21 GMT
except TW3 does deserve all the praise it gets Debateable, I think it's a well-designed game but it is not the holy grail of RPGs, not by a long shot. I think they do some things better than Bioware but Bioware blows them out of the water in others. I think it is the new gold standard for open world RPG's with voiced protagonists and whatnot. Comparing it something like a non-voiced protagonist with an isometric take on combat isn't really a worthwhile comparison. CDPR did most things better than BioWare has done, if things like gay romances are important to you than yeah its worse in those areas, but overall I'd say the side quests, main story, character writing, the romances available (the two available plus side ones are vastly better imo than most BioWare one's)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 18:47:42 GMT
Ugh. Can this thread please not become yet another TW3 vs. ME:A thread? Both devs do things right and things wrong. Personal preference determines what you think those things are and to what extent. There's no way for this discussion to add anything specifically to romance option speculation or spoilers.
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 27, 2017 18:51:03 GMT
Debateable, I think it's a well-designed game but it is not the holy grail of RPGs, not by a long shot. I think they do some things better than Bioware but Bioware blows them out of the water in others. I think it is the new gold standard for open world RPG's with voiced protagonists and whatnot. Comparing it something like a non-voiced protagonist with an isometric take on combat isn't really a worthwhile comparison. CDPR did most things better than BioWare has done, if things like gay romances are important to you than yeah its worse in those areas, but overall I'd say the side quests, main story, character writing, the romances available (the two available plus side ones are vastly better imo than most BioWare one's) That happens when you have consistent writing and focus, and don't change aspects of your lore or source material on a whim to include criticism of any sort... they made changes to the story to give certain characters and relationships more time, but that's about it.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 27, 2017 18:51:18 GMT
If we pretend its combat doesn't exist a nice array of options that rewards exploration and the crafting system? Literally the only problem I have with the game is leveled gear. All builds quickly become OP, in that aspect TW series follows the negative trend of modern AAA RPGs of "no drawbacks, everything is an improvement". It doesn't help in particular with the general simple base idea for TW combat block & counter dance. Not saying it's bad, but pinnacle of anything it is not, they probably did the best they could throughout the series with it but I hope Cyberpunk doesn't feel any obligation to make the combat and its systems anything similar to The Witcher, they should really try something completly different.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 27, 2017 18:51:42 GMT
While I have no doubt that CDPR made a magnificent game, BW provides a better roleplaying experience, and a big part of it is creating your own character, and that is why I have 1000+ hours on DA:I.
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Post by ash on Feb 27, 2017 18:53:52 GMT
I'm almost tempted to tweet Tom asking him if they utilized family name in game as a source of jokes about riding something and see if that question can fetch something, but I'm not even sure if this wasn't asked before and if it's worth getting a twitter acc. >_>
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Post by ladiesman777 on Feb 27, 2017 19:10:31 GMT
Witcher 3s combat was kinda cheap and I hope Andromedas isnt either. Such as hanging far back in the open world and sniping everything like the game Destiny. Easy fix for that of course would be enemys staying in cover when they start getting sniped or deploying there own snipers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 19:46:27 GMT
I can't say much since I keep bringing up Fallout 4, but yeah Witcher talk makes me facepalm. So any interesting tweets today? (I mean other then finding out Gil's writer which was awesome!)
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Post by sageoflife on Feb 27, 2017 19:47:13 GMT
So in regard to romances what are people thoughts when it comes to permanent relationship failure decisions on the players part. I'm talking about whether there should be a point of no return when you make a decision so against the IL's beliefs that they break up with no apologizes allowed. Like for instance Dorian breaking up with the Inquisitor when he discovers you killed Ponchard to get his family amulet. Should that be a thing or should they be more like Josephine's where I'm pretty sure its impossible to fail once you get going. I like that type of thing. I think it makes it clear that the love interests are their own people and not just there for the player's pleasure.
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Post by Dirk on Feb 27, 2017 19:57:07 GMT
From twitter thread,
Tyrell Hamilton@tjh8214 is it easier to make sure ppl know that you are/aren't hitting on them? Ashley used to think I was when I'm just being nice lol
Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon yes
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 20:02:00 GMT
From twitter thread, Tyrell Hamilton@tjh8214is it easier to make sure ppl know that you are/aren't hitting on them? Ashley used to think I was when I'm just being nice lol Ian S. Frazier @tibermoonyes That's awesome, cause Casandra thought I wanted her body cause I said I like romance stories. It was pretty funny, but I felt bad for her in a way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 20:10:28 GMT
SomebodyOfNobody@of_somebody On a scale from awkward DAO underpants sex to really well done how would you rate the sex scenes in MEA?
SomebodyOfNobody@of_somebody are they tastefully done?
Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn Yes definitely. Our developers worked extremely hard to bring these characters to life in a responsible way. My bad word choice
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Post by lightdrago3 on Feb 27, 2017 20:24:22 GMT
From twitter thread, Tyrell Hamilton@tjh8214is it easier to make sure ppl know that you are/aren't hitting on them? Ashley used to think I was when I'm just being nice lol Ian S. Frazier @tibermoonyes I am so glad for this. Every person I was nice to thought I wanted to sleep with them, which made for rejections that made me feel bad.
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Post by dalinne on Feb 27, 2017 20:34:08 GMT
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