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Post by Steelcan on Feb 28, 2017 5:12:37 GMT
Sure Yen is a vicious bitch, but she actually vaguely resembles a decently modeled character, so she wins over most BioWare characters by default, all I get off that scene is an Aria rip off and I hated the original. I just looked up Yen. She is gorgeous But, Cassandra, Isabella, Jack, and Miranda were some beautiful characters too. my condolences, your bills for ophthalmologists must be very high
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 28, 2017 5:15:33 GMT
imo, Sloane is way hotter than Yen-whatever from The Witcher 3: The Wild Rump. I mean, the way she aims that gun at Ryder? H-O-T! The way she sits on that throne like she's the most powerful woman in the galaxy? The smug way she says, "And don't lie to me." ??? If you don't find Sloane hot, I mourn your taste, friend. Blasphemy. #team Yen. Yen > Triss
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Post by Dirk on Feb 28, 2017 5:18:09 GMT
Honestly, if Bioware doesn't deliver on any m/m alien romances, we'd better get a gay male alien squadmate next game. Not bisexual, but gay. I'm seriously hoping for a turian to be that option. I mean even Garrus vaguely teases at being interested in a guy shep but you're just not allowed to even attempt.Wait. I'm not aware of this. Do you have a video of this?
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Post by sageoflife on Feb 28, 2017 5:23:02 GMT
I dont get the feeling of 'powerful woman' from Sloane though, I get the feeling of a two bit thug who thinks she's hot shit. Aria, for all her arrogance, actually seemed like a powerful woman. She's sitting on a makeshift throne and has grunts she can give orders to. To me, that makes her powerful and attractive. She strikes me as more like a female version of Fist, but we'll see once we meet her.
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Post by lurkinganon on Feb 28, 2017 5:23:12 GMT
y'all have shit taste tbh Which ones?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 5:26:12 GMT
Blasphemy. #team Yen. Yen > Triss Triss can melt your heart unlike yen. (Literally ) #teamTriss for less arguments.
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Post by riou on Feb 28, 2017 5:27:17 GMT
Different strokes. I had one fHawke playthrough and, like, twenty Nick Boulton's because... Nick Boulton. I dont think I had a single MaleHawke playthrough. Only reason to ever switch genders when replaying RPGs is to try new romances, but DA2 didnt have that problem. What a time to be alive that was. Honestly, I feel like playersexual romances were best because there was simply no concern about whether you could or couldn't romance someone. You just picked which among them you connected with best, and that was all you needed to do. I get that it's not "realistic" in terms of characters or development, but then remember how people flew into a rage over a mod that let people romance Dorian as a girl? Yeah, that was dumb. The rage, not the mod. (And before anyone tries to call me out, yes, I am a dude, who's gay)
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Post by lurkinganon on Feb 28, 2017 5:28:50 GMT
Well at least there is a tweet about m/m romance now ^^ It's not much, but something. If we are going to analyze the tweet.. I think it's likely someone you meet quite quickly. He started new Ryder and then this guy said hi before he could think of other options. That's how I'm reading it. So someone who is with us quite at the start. Likely human then, not someone who is recruited later on the game. I meant to reply to this hours ago but my break ended and I forgot. Well (and yes spoilers stop if you want to go in blind)...
We know from the previews that very early on you are on a ship that crashes onto a planet. I don't know if Jaal or other potential romances are on that planet, but early game doesn't necessarily mean you don't meet Jaal or another alien. Seems to me Kallo Jath comes with the ship so he might be early and he strikes me as the type to say Hello. Very unlikely but damnit let me dream.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 5:29:42 GMT
We're gonna need some news soon, or else we'll just be talking about video game waifus all day.
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 28, 2017 5:30:52 GMT
We're gonna need some news soon, or else we'll just be talking about video game waifus all day. as long as we get to fight over which waifu is best
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 5:31:48 GMT
We're gonna need some news soon, or else we'll just be talking about video game waifus all day. as long as we get to fight over which waifu is best Well, multi-tasking is a very important skill.
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Post by Crim on Feb 28, 2017 5:34:10 GMT
We're gonna need some news soon, or else we'll just be talking about video game waifus all day.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 5:35:24 GMT
I meant to reply to this hours ago but my break ended and I forgot. Well (and yes spoilers stop if you want to go in blind)...
We know from the previews that very early on you are on a ship that crashes onto a planet. I don't know if Jaal or other potential romances are on that planet, but early game doesn't necessarily mean you don't meet Jaal or another alien. Seems to me Kallo Jath comes with the ship so he might be early and he strikes me as the type to say Hello. Very unlikely but damnit let me dream. Hello.
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Post by Dirk on Feb 28, 2017 5:39:23 GMT
I dont think I had a single MaleHawke playthrough. Only reason to ever switch genders when replaying RPGs is to try new romances, but DA2 didnt have that problem. What a time to be alive that was. Honestly, I feel like playersexual romances were best because there was simply no concern about whether you could or couldn't romance someone. You just picked which among them you connected with best, and that was all you needed to do. I get that it's not "realistic" in terms of characters or development, but then remember how people flew into a rage over a mod that let people romance Dorian as a girl? Yeah, that was dumb. The rage, not the mod. (And before anyone tries to call me out, yes, I am a dude, who's gay) One of the problems I have with player-sexuality is inconsistency in sexual orientations. Like in DA2, if you play a female Hawke who romances Anders, you wouldn't know that Karl and him were in relationship. Meanwhile if you play a male Hawke, Anders would tell you that. It's like Schrodinger's sexuality: straight if PC is female, bi if PC is male. I prefer all-bi approach, where the characters are bi, regardless of PC's gender.
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Post by tehprincessj on Feb 28, 2017 5:43:23 GMT
But I liked experiencing the differences in romance as my Hawke's gender changed. Somebody mentioned earlier that they had little reason not to play as femHawke, but I preferred Anders' romance with BroHawke because of these differences. So... replay value? I guess?
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Post by byne on Feb 28, 2017 5:43:31 GMT
Honestly, I feel like playersexual romances were best because there was simply no concern about whether you could or couldn't romance someone. You just picked which among them you connected with best, and that was all you needed to do. I get that it's not "realistic" in terms of characters or development, but then remember how people flew into a rage over a mod that let people romance Dorian as a girl? Yeah, that was dumb. The rage, not the mod. (And before anyone tries to call me out, yes, I am a dude, who's gay) One of the problems I have with player-sexuality is inconsistency in sexual orientations. Like in DA2, if you play a female Hawke who romances Anders, you wouldn't know that Karl and him were in relationship. Meanwhile if you play a male Hawke, Anders would tell you that. It's like Schrodinger's sexuality: straight if PC is female, bi if PC is male. I prefer all-bi approach, where the characters are bi, regardless of PC's gender. If Hawke's gender is different why cant other things in the universe be different too?
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Post by lurkinganon on Feb 28, 2017 5:49:36 GMT
Seems to me Kallo Jath comes with the ship so he might be early and he strikes me as the type to say Hello. Very unlikely but damnit let me dream. Hello. Huh. Kinda looks like Sara Ryder.
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Post by Panda on Feb 28, 2017 5:51:39 GMT
But I liked experiencing the differences in romance as my Hawke's gender changed. Somebody mentioned earlier that they had little reason not to play as femHawke, but I preferred Anders' romance with BroHawke because of these differences. So... replay value? I guess? It's not really that big of difference, writer of Anders just thought that it would make sense Anders didn't tell to woman that he is in love with man he's trying to save, but told that to another man. Doesn't make much sense to me and some others which is why people including me thought his sexuality was depended on Hawkes. It was just piece of lore that was missing for fem!Hawke for some weird reason in the end.
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Post by Kian on Feb 28, 2017 6:02:28 GMT
Yeah exactly. I absolutely agree about Skyrim and Saint Row 4. I've had a great time with both games, but in this regard... meh. As for F4, hmm... I just finished a pt a few weeks ago... but I can't remember noticing any kind of ss interest from any character. Well I was mostly paying attention to male characters so I might have missed one of the female companions showing some ss interest. From a cynical point of view, it can be seen as a way to grab some good will from the lgbt community and its allies, while at the same time making sure not to upset the delicate snowflakes who complain about "icky" stuff like gay characters (male or female), female leads, cast diversity, racial diversity, etc etc. You know, the usual "greatest hits" I'm really hoping this is not what Bioware is doing. This is why I'm so upset and bitter at the moment, with the info we are getting from leaks on one side and the COMPLETE LACK of info from Bioware regarding very specific content, on the other side. And yeah, regarding "playersexual" lis, I've argued for it. It's not the best mechanic, but it would just mean that people would actually get options. It just seems like it would be a decent trade off, at least until things get a little better and we can put behind us all this nonsense with hiding/censoring gay content. Yes it's a cheap way of doing things, but my main argument for it, is that it would be easier to headcannon character X being gay, while you're getting it on with them in game (as in having cutscenes and etc), as opposed to doing the same thing when the option does not exist in game. I agree but I would argue against player sexual romances. As others on here have said love interests being player sexual takes the wide rainbow of human sexuality and reduces it to a gray smudge. Representation and sexual diversity should take precedence over we as individuals getting to romance whoever we want. The reality is that we can't romance whoever we want for reason not limited to sexuality. In my opinion this approach adds realism and depth which is what I look for in character and story driven games. The race-gating in Inquisition added depth and world building elements and enhanced the experience and replay value. When it comes to the issue of Bioware I concur. The silence on their part is deafening and damning should the rumors be true. This is a problem but I don't think player sexual implementation would solve it. The problem is the corrosion of sexual diversity within the main cast. It doesn't matter to me if I don't get to romance the specific character I want as long as m/m, f/f, etc are represented fairly. If that turns out not to be the case then Bioware is in need of a good dragging. Yeah, I think you're right on every point. I'm just considering it as an alternative since Bioware (at least the Mass Effect team anyway) seems determined to be very careful with their precious homophobic fans and not upset them in the slightest. While at the same time, they seem determined to "con" the lgbt and allies fans into buying but then not delivering anything even promised let alone more. It's kind of bleak, but at the moment, with what leaks we have going around and the callous (to not call it something else) behaviour of devs on twitter and whatnot, seems like it's what's happening. So while of course, playersexual romances won't fix anything, they might have been a better way to go then what seems like a trainwreck level of blunder from ME team. Ultimately my point is moot considering Bioware has stated pretty clearly (as far as I remember, I might be wrong?), that they have no intention of going with the DA2 approach again, so the playersexual thing will simply not happen
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Post by Artemis on Feb 28, 2017 6:10:41 GMT
Honestly, I feel like playersexual romances were best because there was simply no concern about whether you could or couldn't romance someone. You just picked which among them you connected with best, and that was all you needed to do. I get that it's not "realistic" in terms of characters or development, but then remember how people flew into a rage over a mod that let people romance Dorian as a girl? Yeah, that was dumb. The rage, not the mod. (And before anyone tries to call me out, yes, I am a dude, who's gay) One of the problems I have with player-sexuality is inconsistency in sexual orientations. Like in DA2, if you play a female Hawke who romances Anders, you wouldn't know that Karl and him were in relationship. Meanwhile if you play a male Hawke, Anders would tell you that. It's like Schrodinger's sexuality: straight if PC is female, bi if PC is male. I prefer all-bi approach, where the characters are bi, regardless of PC's gender. That is a good point and is the one that is brought up repeatedly, mostly because it is pretty much (perhaps literally) the only instance of "inconsistency in sexual orientations" we see in DA2. I think everyone agrees Anders should have told FemHawke about Karl, but other than that I think DA2's system worked perfectly. Plus it helped writers avoid stereotypes based on sexuality since they weren't consciously created "a gay character" or "a bisexual character" or "a straight character."
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 28, 2017 6:41:36 GMT
Ocelot See, the whole "because of straight male new fans" doesn't work for me either. I give those men a lot more credit than that. While there are a few that might be turned off, I think that the majority wouldn't care if there is a m/m squad romance. The worry about being ninjamanced is gone thanks to the icon system. So I will continue to question the marketing team's logic behind this. It seems terribly outdated to me. That's because their marketing is terribly outdated. Bioware still have trouble even getting relatively even screentime for their female and male protagonists during marketing. Imagine how long it'll take before we get a trailer where the male protagonist is making out with a dude, rather than Ashley, Miranda, Ashley again, or Cora. It's going to be a long time, sadly... A long time
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Post by Panda on Feb 28, 2017 6:49:36 GMT
I'd still find 2/2/2 or something similar ideal. I like when characters have different sexualities, diversity in general is good thing and makes world-building seem more defined to me. But all bi is better than not giving some players options at all (or options that are clearly inferior).
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 7:04:03 GMT
Ocelot See, the whole "because of straight male new fans" doesn't work for me either. I give those men a lot more credit than that. While there are a few that might be turned off, I think that the majority wouldn't care if there is a m/m squad romance. The worry about being ninjamanced is gone thanks to the icon system. So I will continue to question the marketing team's logic behind this. It seems terribly outdated to me. That's because their marketing is terribly outdated. Bioware still have trouble even getting relatively even screentime for their female and male protagonists during marketing. Imagine how long it'll take before we get a trailer where the male protagonists is making out with a dude, rather than Ashley, Miranda, Ashley again, or Cora. It's going to be a long time, sadly... A long time Honestly, this doesn't bother me and neither does the lack of reveal of the bi squaddie (assuming there is one) because then a large portion of players would write them off as just 'the gay romance option'. The pragmatic truth is that the best representation is the representation that fits in seamlessly. People don't need ten conversations and banters about how Krem is trans and like, it's totally ok to be trans, guys! It just pisses people off and makes them more resistant. I'm gay and even I found the Krem and Dorian content overbearing. Trans and gay characters are already receiving representation in Bioware games. Let people enjoy them as nuanced, three dimensional characters without making a big deal of it and eventually nobody will bat an eye.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 28, 2017 7:08:29 GMT
That's because their marketing is terribly outdated. Bioware still have trouble even getting relatively even screentime for their female and male protagonists during marketing. Imagine how long it'll take before we get a trailer where the male protagonists is making out with a dude, rather than Ashley, Miranda, Ashley again, or Cora. It's going to be a long time, sadly... A long time Honestly, this doesn't bother me and neither does the lack of reveal of the bi squaddie (assuming there is one) because then a large portion of players would write them off as just 'the gay romance option'. The pragmatic truth is that the best representation is the representation that fits in seamlessly. People don't need ten conversations and banters about how Krem is trans and like, it's totally ok to be trans, guys! It just pisses people off and makes them more resistant. I'm gay and even I found the Krem and Dorian content overbearing. Trans and gay characters are already receiving representation in Bioware games. Let people enjoy them as nuanced, three dimensional characters without making a big deal of it and eventually nobody will bat an eye. I swear to god you can ask about Krem's gender identity like 15 times during the game!! It was annoying and jarring and I just... I wanted him to just be there, just BE KREM, and for the stupid transphobic player to figure it out himself and throw his controller through the TV screen instead of ME having to sit and tediously bypass all the pseudo-lecture dialogue options I knew hadn't even been written with me in mind.
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Post by zeowik on Feb 28, 2017 7:10:50 GMT
That's because their marketing is terribly outdated. Bioware still have trouble even getting relatively even screentime for their female and male protagonists during marketing. Imagine how long it'll take before we get a trailer where the male protagonists is making out with a dude, rather than Ashley, Miranda, Ashley again, or Cora. It's going to be a long time, sadly... A long time Honestly, this doesn't bother me and neither does the lack of reveal of the bi squaddie (assuming there is one) because then a large portion of players would write them off as just 'the gay romance option'. The pragmatic truth is that the best representation is the representation that fits in seamlessly. People don't need ten conversations and banters about how Krem is trans and like, it's totally ok to be trans, guys! It just pisses people off and makes them more resistant. I'm gay and even I found the Krem and Dorian content overbearing. Trans and gay characters are already receiving representation in Bioware games. Let people enjoy them as nuanced, three dimensional characters without making a big deal of it and eventually nobody will bat an eye. Not only that but beware the straw man argument promoted to judgement. Making assumptions and then making judgements based on those assumptions doesn't work. That's what political echo chambers do all the time and it does no good. It's not reasonable to attach "reasons" for them not putting a spotlight on these things and to then argue against those imagined reasons. I mean no offense with that, but it's used all the time by people trying to justify prejudice of all kinds. There's never a good time to fall into that kind of mindset, even if by mistake, in regard to making up a reason and then arguing against that as if it's actually real.
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